Trump: Bar all Muslims from entering the United States

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    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/donald-trump-calls-for-banning-muslims-from-entering-u-s/?_r=0

    Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States


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    Dec 08, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    Makes sense to me and long overdue. In fact, the entire Immigration Reform Act of 1965, another gift of the Kennedys, requires revision. It has permitted large groups of foreigners to enter the USA without properly assimilating into our culture, and vastly changed our culture for the worse, the urgings of the diversity crowd notwithstanding. It has increased divisiveness and added to the national debt by allowing immigrants to receive benefits previously reserved for citizens, unlike prior immigrants, who were properly required to pay both their way here and their own way once here.

    As for the Muslims, they have proved to be, as everywhere else they infiltrate, legally or not, the most unassimilable of immigrants, and violently and truculently so. They alone have spawned successive agents of terror, and they're not done yet. (Pace, Tim McVeigh riposteurs.) They've not policed their own to identify and remove the violent extremists from their midst, which leaves the entirely rational conclusion that they no real interest in doing so. Trump is right now, just as Ferdinand & Isabella were over 500 years ago.
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    Dec 08, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
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    Ferdinand & Isabella probably have more chance of becoming POTUS than Donald does.

    Right now, Trump has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
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    Dec 08, 2015 7:13 PM GMT
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    Ferdinand & Isabella probably have more chance of becoming POTUS than Donald does.

    Right now, Trump has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/


    Which is doubly irrelevant in light of my own stated reluctance to vote for Trump, making your point just what, other than obfuscation of the issues for afar?
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    Dec 08, 2015 7:57 PM GMT
    mginsd, you must be very successful to afford giving so much of your wisdom so freely here.

    Unlike Trump you don't have a lot to gain from giving up your free time but I hope you find your own reward.
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    Dec 08, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
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    Which is doubly irrelevant in light of my own stated reluctance to vote for Trump, making your point just what, other than obfuscation of the issues for afar?


    I'd be more than happy to discuss the subject of relevancy with someone who draws on the Spanish Inquisition in a debate about 21st century US immigration policy.
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    Dec 08, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
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    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/donald-trump-calls-for-banning-muslims-from-entering-u-s/?_r=0

    Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States


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    Puzzled as to the relevance, but liked seeing the gif of the elephant attacking the cow (or whatever bovine that was). Probably in another 10-15 years, elephants will be extinct except in zoos.
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    Dec 08, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    MGINSD said
    Which is doubly irrelevant in light of my own stated reluctance to vote for Trump, making your point just what, other than obfuscation of the issues for afar?


    I'd be more than happy to discuss the subject of relevancy with someone who draws on the Spanish Inquisition in a debate about 21st century US immigration policy.


    You are, I hope, aware, that the muslims under the caliphate were attempting to conquer the rest of the world around that time. And they were making great progress. Consider that if the Venetians had not won the battle of Lepanto, there would probably be no UK (and no England), and you would likely be speaking Turkish today. On the other hand, you might be Turkish, since they had an occasional practice of slaughtering the inhabitants of areas that resisted conquest.
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    Dec 08, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidMakes sense to me and long overdue. In fact, the entire Immigration Reform Act of 1965, another gift of the Kennedys, requires revision. It has permitted large groups of foreigners to enter the USA without properly assimilating into our culture, and vastly changed our culture for the worse, the urgings of the diversity crowd notwithstanding. It has increased divisiveness and added to the national debt by allowing immigrants to receive benefits previously reserved for citizens, unlike prior immigrants, who were properly required to pay both their way here and their own way once here.

    As for the Muslims, they have proved to be, as everywhere else they infiltrate, legally or not, the most unassimilable of immigrants, and violently and truculently so. They alone have spawned successive agents of terror, and they're not done yet. (Pace, Tim McVeigh riposteurs.) They've not policed their own to identify and remove the violent extremists from their midst, which leaves the entirely rational conclusion that they no real interest in doing so. Trump is right now, just as Ferdinand & Isabella were over 500 years ago.


    There is no responsibility for anyone moving into this country to "assimilate". That's just mildly racist code for, "be more like me". All that is required of immigrants being let in to this country is that they follow the law. Otherwise, they can speak, dress, worship, and live however they wish.
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    Dec 08, 2015 8:46 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidMakes sense to me and long overdue. In fact, the entire Immigration Reform Act of 1965, another gift of the Kennedys, requires revision. It has permitted large groups of foreigners to enter the USA without properly assimilating into our culture, and vastly changed our culture for the worse, the urgings of the diversity crowd notwithstanding. It has increased divisiveness and added to the national debt by allowing immigrants to receive benefits previously reserved for citizens, unlike prior immigrants, who were properly required to pay both their way here and their own way once here.

    As for the Muslims, they have proved to be, as everywhere else they infiltrate, legally or not, the most unassimilable of immigrants, and violently and truculently so. They alone have spawned successive agents of terror, and they're not done yet. (Pace, Tim McVeigh riposteurs.) They've not policed their own to identify and remove the violent extremists from their midst, which leaves the entirely rational conclusion that they no real interest in doing so. Trump is right now, just as Ferdinand & Isabella were over 500 years ago.


    He's only fueling the anger and hatred Muslims have against the U.S.
    Americans expect Muslims to conform to the acts of western terrorism commited on their soils for decades on end in a civil matter as they fear the repercussions. It's just that they don't want to acknowledge it as "repercussions", which is the dire consequence in itself. Americans play victim way too hard, it's pathetic.

    Let's just keep on failing to fight this war on terror, I guess. Let's spend another few trillion. China what?
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    Dec 08, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    MGINSD saidMakes sense to me and long overdue. In fact, the entire Immigration Reform Act of 1965, another gift of the Kennedys, requires revision. It has permitted large groups of foreigners to enter the USA without properly assimilating into our culture, and vastly changed our culture for the worse, the urgings of the diversity crowd notwithstanding. It has increased divisiveness and added to the national debt by allowing immigrants to receive benefits previously reserved for citizens, unlike prior immigrants, who were properly required to pay both their way here and their own way once here.

    As for the Muslims, they have proved to be, as everywhere else they infiltrate, legally or not, the most unassimilable of immigrants, and violently and truculently so. They alone have spawned successive agents of terror, and they're not done yet. (Pace, Tim McVeigh riposteurs.) They've not policed their own to identify and remove the violent extremists from their midst, which leaves the entirely rational conclusion that they no real interest in doing so. Trump is right now, just as Ferdinand & Isabella were over 500 years ago.


    There is no responsibility for anyone moving into this country to "assimilate". That's just mildly racist code for, "be more like me". All that is required of immigrants being let in to this country is that they follow the law. Otherwise, they can speak, dress, worship, and live however they wish.

    Yes, how many of the early settlers to America 'assimilated' into the culture of the people already there(and there for thousands of years)?
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    Dec 08, 2015 10:22 PM GMT
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    I know, Right? Who are these people and what are they doing on my planet? Either that or I fucked up: should have made that left at Mars. There's a mistake ya don't make twice!

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    MGINSD said
    Which is doubly irrelevant in light of my own stated reluctance to vote for Trump, making your point just what, other than obfuscation of the issues for afar?


    I'd be more than happy to discuss the subject of relevancy with someone who draws on the Spanish Inquisition in a debate about 21st century US immigration policy.


    Yeah, he usually accuses a guy of doing what he just did but in separate thread so ya don't notice it or so he must fool himself into thinking. But I see he's upped his game by further dumbing it down, now accusing others of what he did just a post ago. This is the 2nd time I've seen that. Funny you catching it and calling it out. Ya know, it could be an early sign of dementia, unless he's operated like that his whole life in which case it's just creepy.


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    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/07/donald-trump-calls-for-banning-muslims-from-entering-u-s/?_r=0

    Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States


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    Puzzled as to the relevance, but liked seeing the gif of the elephant attacking the cow (or whatever bovine that was). Probably in another 10-15 years, elephants will be extinct except in zoos.


    That's a Republican big fat beast stabbing an interloper antelope in what it thinks is its own territory.
  • JackNNJ

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    Dec 08, 2015 10:23 PM GMT
    Maybe Trump is a loon, but the usual moralizing white Liberal scolds take much blame for this.

    After 9/11, we were constantly lectured and harangued by the New York Times et al., to be extra special nice to Muslims. Remember that insulting AdCouncil thing "I am an American!" that aired shortly after the attacks?

    This while no discernible anti-Muslim backlash occurred in the USA. we bent over backwards to accommodate these people, and they still attack us and our allies again and again.

    And where are these "moderate Muslims" we keep hearing so much about? If they exist they've been cowed into silence. I think in truth they tacitly approve of radical Islam - that's what "moderate" seems to mean when it comes to Muslims.

    Before the San Bernardino killings, there were people who had concerns about the suspects. But they didn't say anything, for fear someone would think they were bigots. Thanks, white Liberals.

    The Islamic world had no Renaissance, Enlightenment, Scientific Revolution, or Reformation. That barbarous civilization is on probation as far as I'm concerned. Yes, we'll be nice to them and let them in, but not now. Let them join humanity and become civilized, then we'll see what happens.

    But the white Liberal establishment won't have it. They hate the West every bit as much as the Muslims do, and in some cases even more. They represent an ignorant fifth column, a gaggle of useful idiots for the crazies to jerk around, to the detriment of each one of us.
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    Dec 08, 2015 10:58 PM GMT
    He is just a knuckle head adding fuel to the fire like all the idiotic statements he makes and the idiotic voting population that heads that he is a great statesman for doing it and will vote for him, if he gets the Republican nomination.

    I am more concerned about the current muslim population already here, who are sleepers, are or are becoming radicalized ready to attack.

    We have no national agenda on how to deal with this threat and still protecting our civil liberties and others that are being scrutinized as being a threat, but they are not . I think we are moving in an area of dangerous precedent just like when Japan bomb Pearl Harbor and the Japanese encampments that occurred in America and also some Japanese Americans who were stripped of their constitutional rights, property etc. , who in some instance had no affiliation of being spies, etc. - their crime was that they had Japanese ancestry. Again, fear and panic is what moving policy here which should not be the case.

    Additionally, we are not talking enough about Facebook, Twitter, Tube, etc these social/internet companies who ARE not doing enough to block, suspended or just terminate all these radicalized accounts for the interest of privacy. The hell with privacy, when you are plotting to kill, destroy these companies should be fined/shut down and held responsible for this as well- lets just see how soon they would cooperate as well.
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    Dec 08, 2015 11:27 PM GMT
    First it was "the chinese". Then it was "the mexicans." Then "the blacks". Now "the muslims". The mental gymnastics his supporters are going through to explain how this is not biased thinking is ridiculous and scary. But hey, being irrational is never pretty. I agree that we need to do a better job of securing the borders and upholding current laws, including immigration laws. But that is too savvy a discussion I guess. It's easier just to be obtuse... for the voters.
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    Dec 08, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
    It's undemocratic and a really bad idea.

    Muslims need to understand that hate leads to more hate. They shouldn't be surprised that since so many Muslims around the world express such hatred for Americans that many Americans feel the same way. They need to stop blaming USA, Israel, and the West for all the problems in Islamic World and start looking within.

    That said I really dislike Trump and his anti-muslim ideas. It's not who we are as a people. It sets a very bad precedent.
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    Dec 09, 2015 12:22 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidTo all the ignorant posting on this thread:

    8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

    Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate


    Well, whadda ya know?


    Here are those classes of aliens, SB.

    Please point out where it permits exclusion of an entire religion.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
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    Dec 09, 2015 12:48 AM GMT
    What a miserable bastard and bigot to boot. Absolutely un-American.... but typical with the right wing loon crowd...
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    Dec 09, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
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    MGINSD saidMakes sense to me and long overdue. In fact, the entire Immigration Reform Act of 1965, another gift of the Kennedys, requires revision. It has permitted large groups of foreigners to enter the USA without properly assimilating into our culture, and vastly changed our culture for the worse, the urgings of the diversity crowd notwithstanding. It has increased divisiveness and added to the national debt by allowing immigrants to receive benefits previously reserved for citizens, unlike prior immigrants, who were properly required to pay both their way here and their own way once here.

    As for the Muslims, they have proved to be, as everywhere else they infiltrate, legally or not, the most unassimilable of immigrants, and violently and truculently so. They alone have spawned successive agents of terror, and they're not done yet. (Pace, Tim McVeigh riposteurs.) They've not policed their own to identify and remove the violent extremists from their midst, which leaves the entirely rational conclusion that they no real interest in doing so. Trump is right now, just as Ferdinand & Isabella were over 500 years ago.

    There is no responsibility for anyone moving into this country to "assimilate". That's just mildly racist code for, "be more like me". All that is required of immigrants being let in to this country is that they follow the law. Otherwise, they can speak, dress, worship, and live however they wish.

    True they do not have to assimilate but we don't have to let them in in the first place. They have no rights to be here and we have no responsibility to let them immigrate.

    The problems with not assimilating can be seen with Muslim immigration to Europe and France in particular. Not assimilating led to alienation and civil disruption.

    Our immigration system is built on various quotas so limiting particular groups is well established.

    We through our elected officials have the right to determine the make-up of our society. If you want to say opposing an open door is racist go ahead. The term has lost its meaning anyway.
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    Dec 09, 2015 1:37 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidFirst it was "the chinese". Then it was "the mexicans." Then "the blacks". Now "the muslims". The mental gymnastics his supporters are going through to explain how this is not biased thinking is ridiculous and scary. But hey, being irrational is never pretty. I agree that we need to do a better job of securing the borders and upholding current laws, including immigration laws. But that is too savvy a discussion I guess. It's easier just to be obtuse... for the voters.


    no, first it was the Irish, then the Italians lol
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    Dec 09, 2015 1:39 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWhat a miserable bastard and bigot to boot. Absolutely un-American.... but typical with the right wing loon crowd...

    If we have any vetting system to look at people coming in, it's a failure. The woman terrorist came from Pakistan, a country we have relations with. She gave a false address and it wasn't picked up.

    Temporarily pausing only makes sense while we figure out what's going on. If your family or friends got killed would your opinion change or are you willing to accept the greater likelihood that those killed won't be close to you?
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    Dec 09, 2015 2:45 AM GMT
    The 19th century belonged to Europe
    The 20th century belonged to USA
    And the 21st century now belongs to Asia.

    Banning muslims or mexicans from USA won't make any difference, the US is economically finished and wont be the same ever again, just accept it and move on. Europe is also finished but thank god Europe still has an amazing lifestyle and beautiful cultures with more normal human beings than some plastic brainwashed ignorant dumb nouveau riche Americans.

    With all the billions Mr. Trumpet has in his piggy bank, he still doesn't have an ounce of class. A classy person would be charismatic and stylish and win the world with goodness rather than the filth that comes out of his mouth each time he opens it.