'Brokeback Mountain' Turns 10: A Look Back at the Controversy Surrounding the Cowboys-in-Love Classic

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    Dec 12, 2015 3:23 AM GMT

    Seen it 6 times in theater, including opening weekend 12/9/2005 and seen the shirts @ the Hollywood museum, ten years goes by fast icon_razz.gif

    'Brokeback Mountain' Turns 10
    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/brokeback-mountain-turns-10-a-look-back-at-the-172157747.html


    'Brokeback Mountain' shirts on display at the Autry
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/08/brokeback-mountain-shirts-on-display-at-autry.html

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    Dec 12, 2015 4:18 AM GMT


    Wanted to cry but I was too pissed off.
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    Dec 12, 2015 4:44 AM GMT
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    Wanted to cry but I was too pissed off.






    I cried every time, in the theater, you could hear a pin drop among the sniffles icon_cry.gificon_razz.gif




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    Dec 12, 2015 5:02 AM GMT

    They were shepherds....icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 12, 2015 5:39 PM GMT
    Oceans_of_Flowers said
    They were shepherds....icon_razz.gif


    Or if you're from Colorado, Wyoming, or Utah, the ranchers call them "sheepherders".

    These days, the guys tend to be Mexican or Central American -- I see them on horseback, with flocks of sheep, and a few herding dogs above timberline during the summer months.

    The original story by Anne Prouix is available in "Wyoming Stories" available on Kindle or as audiobook. It differs a bit from the movie, but both stand well on their own.
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    Dec 12, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
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    Oceans_of_Flowers said
    They were shepherds....icon_razz.gif


    Or if you're from Colorado, Wyoming, or Utah, the ranchers call them "sheepherders".

    These days, the guys tend to be Mexican or Central American -- I see them on horseback, with flocks of sheep, and a few herding dogs above timberline during the summer months.

    The original story by Anne Prouix is available in "Wyoming Stories" either on Kindle or as audiobook. It differs a bit from the movie, but both stand well on their own.
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    Dec 12, 2015 5:55 PM GMT
    Well, aren't a lot of them still Basques? Or are those people's kids all moving to the city, like everyone else?


    "Wyoming Stories" was so unremittingly depressing that I didn't even remember this story, among all the others, until people started making a big deal out of it. I kind of liked "The Shipping News," though, and the movie of that was OK.
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    Dec 12, 2015 6:02 PM GMT
    There are still a fair number of Basque sheepherders out west but way more Latinos - there just aren't that many Basque people in the world.

    I was not a fan of either the short story or the movie. Neither one rang true for me - maybe because they were both written by straight people?
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    Dec 12, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    I think it's because the story was written by a woman. All of Proulx's male characters are odd and cartoonish. They behave in irrational, mostly brutal ways. It's like she doesn't really understand men, but is giving her interpretation. It's almost like science fiction.
  • Triggerman

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    Dec 13, 2015 1:37 AM GMT
    I saw this movie when it first came out. And some friends had tears in their eyes as we walked out of the theater.

    I just watched it again with a friend who loves it. I still do not get it.

    First of all, I don't get the over acting by Heath Ledger. Was the gritting his teeth as he spoke supposed to be showing how conflicted he was? Cause to me it was hard to understand him.

    And they had sex once every few years. Was it a fuck buddy or true love? And if it was love, he had ample opportunity to make it so but never acted on it.

    And that scene where he gets mad that Jake is having sex in Mexico or wherever? Rang totally false with me. Your lover is a hot guy with bad sideburns and you see him every few years and you threaten to kill him if you find out that yours is not the only dick he is smoking? False.

    The whole movie rang false to me. Nothing about it was true to gay men. They lived in the seventies? Get a UHaul and drive to San Francisco and get an apartment in the Castro.

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    Dec 13, 2015 4:19 AM GMT
    I only seen it once but I want to see it again.
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    Dec 13, 2015 5:11 AM GMT
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    The whole movie rang false to me. Nothing about it was true to gay men. They lived in the seventies? Get a UHaul and drive to San Francisco and get an apartment in the Castro.

    Well, perhaps a little harsh. But I gotta tell yah, I was not impressed with the movie myself.

    Lovely visuals at times (digitally enhanced). The rape scene in the tent offended me.

    I saw it in a theatre with my BF, and with another gay couple. The audience included a lot of gay men, and at the final closet shirt scene the theatre crying sounded like a funeral home. I said to my BF & friends as we left the theatre, when they were still sobbing: "It was just a shirt", and I got smacked.

    Well, I'm not so easily moved by theatrics (one of my college degrees). My own first partner literally died in my arms. And I was left with a closet full of his shirts and other stuff. Compared to that, Heath Ledger's character had it easy.

    The problem with losing someone is that it hardens you. At least it did me. And the emotional scab it leaves means you have less to offer the next guy. That's what I have to deal with today - giving my husband all he deserves from me. That I'm not sure I can always provide.

    So a movie like Brokeback Mountain only begins to explore some deeper gay emotions. A good attempt, and visually stunning with great acting, but I'm still waiting for a better.
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    Dec 13, 2015 5:13 AM GMT
    I saw it several times at the theater too. Looking back, I'm not sure why. Maybe it was just this wish for a happy ending that never happens ... just like my life icon_sad.gif

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    Maybe it was subliminal messages. icon_biggrin.gif

    Damn time flys!
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    Dec 14, 2015 1:06 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidI saw it several times at the theater too. Looking back, I'm not sure why. Maybe it was just this wish for a happy ending that never happens ... just like my life icon_sad.gif

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    Maybe it was subliminal messages. icon_biggrin.gif

    Damn time flys!





    I remember, in 05 & 06, my last year I had AOL dial up, Dave Cullen website guide, this is an updated version, was the place to go to discuss this movie and its characters, in depth. There were many of Dave's followers that were posting their theater experiences and how many times they went. At the time, our anticipation of the movie before it hit theaters was madness and Dave Cullen started it.

    This was also the first time anyone ever heard of Focus Features studio. The movie was their first and put them on the map



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    I loved it, but mainly because it was a gay love story.

    That said, the movie made me sad. Death. Loneliness. The closet. So much self loathing. Yeah, the guys were hot, but I'd rather see a movie like BearCity or BearCity with a bunch of older, fat and hairy bears surrounded by friends and a feeling of love.
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    Dec 14, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
    Triggerman said

    The whole movie rang false to me. Nothing about it was true to gay men. They lived in the seventies? Get a UHaul and drive to San Francisco and get an apartment in the Castro.



    The overall theme of the book was something like: Despite all the horrible things that happen to poor white trash in their horrible lives in Wyoming... it's still better than living any place else!
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    Dec 14, 2015 3:28 AM GMT
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    Triggerman said

    The whole movie rang false to me. Nothing about it was true to gay men. They lived in the seventies? Get a UHaul and drive to San Francisco and get an apartment in the Castro.



    The overall theme of the book was something like: Despite all the horrible things that happen to poor white trash in their horrible lives in Wyoming... it's still better than living any place else!


    "Boys in the Band" was set in Uptown NYC in the 1960's... I recall that as being a really depressing movie. Then there was the 1980 move, "Cruising", again based in NYC. Yet another depressing theme.

    There've been the comedies such as "Victor, Victoria" and "Tootsie" that have been less toxic, but Hollywood hasn't done much uplifting gay-themed work, even recently.

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    It wasn't a "gay-themed" book. This was just one story in it. Every character in the book could seemingly solve their problem by packing up and moving to a city. But they loved their moments of joy in the mountains more than they hated the rest of their shit lives. Oh, and look what happened to the one character who did go.

    Meh. Flatlanders wouldn't understand.

    IIRC, I read this book while staying in a pretentious hotel in Washington DC, surrounded by petty, plastic people who made me want to punch out their lights. Couldn't wait to get back to the mountains.