Vegetarian-ish

  • badbug

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    Dec 16, 2015 11:50 AM GMT

    Anyone tried quitting eating meat? How did it affect your health/musculature?


    Meat is expensive, imo immoral if it's mass produced and if you buy healthier grass fed organic stuff the cost is just crazy. I am not a hunter and don't really have any friends that would be into hunting with me, so that's not really an option.


    I am not giving up my whey protein or my occasional cheese. I can't see consuming no animal products allowing me to hit my target macros, and i am not the biggest believer in vegan proteins and that shit gets expensive too if you go organic.


    Anyone cut out or cut down meat? What was your experience?

  • oldfart

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    Dec 16, 2015 7:48 PM GMT
    After reading Plutarch On the Eating of Meat in my late 20s I stopped cold turkey (ahem.) I felt better and had plenty of energy for working out and running. The fiber improved my digestion (and elimination.)
    When I met my late partner a few years later, he persuaded me to try adding meat back. Not pretty. So I resumed my healthy ways. My current other half has persuaded me to try fish for extra protein, and that has been fine. But I won't go further up the evolutionary food chain.
    For me milk and eggs are fine; you don't kill the cow to get the milk. And look, a life without cheese just isn't worth living, now is it?
  • metta

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    Dec 16, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    I have not eaten meat since 1990. For me it was an easy change. I originally decided that I would slowly reduce my meat intake but I actually ended up just not eating it any more. The book that made me decide to change was reading Diet For A New America

    http://www.amazon.com/Diet-New-America-Choices-Happiness/dp/193207354X/ref=sr_1_1

    There are plenty of professional vegetarian and vegan bodybuilders out there.

    I very rarely get sick. I almost got a cold this year but I fought it off. I can't remember the last time I got an actual cold. It has been many years. Several years ago, there was a strain of the flu that was really bad. I did get that but I didn't need to take any medicine to recover.

    Being a vegetarian does not weaken your immune system nor does it make it more difficult to build muscle. You just need to make sure that your diet is varied. If you crave protein, eat more vegetarian protein. There are a lot of options out there. Good luck!
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    Dec 16, 2015 9:42 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]badbug said[/cite]
    Anyone tried quitting eating meat? How did it affect your health/musculature?


    Meat is expensive, imo immoral if it's mass produced and if you buy healthier grass fed organic stuff the cost is just crazy. I am not a hunter and don't really have any friends that would be into hunting with me, so that's not really an option.


    I am not giving up my whey protein or my occasional cheese. I can't see consuming no animal products allowing me to hit my target macros, and i am not the biggest believer in vegan proteins and that shit gets expensive too if you go organic.


    Anyone cut out or cut down meat? What was your experience?

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    Dec 16, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
    badbug said... Anyone cut out or cut down meat? What was your experience?


    it is a good experience.



    try a casein whey protein.
  • JackNNJ

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    Dec 16, 2015 10:11 PM GMT
    badbug said
    Anyone tried quitting eating meat? How did it affect your health/musculature?


    Meat is expensive, imo immoral if it's mass produced and if you buy healthier grass fed organic stuff the cost is just crazy. I am not a hunter and don't really have any friends that would be into hunting with me, so that's not really an option.


    I am not giving up my whey protein or my occasional cheese. I can't see consuming no animal products allowing me to hit my target macros, and i am not the biggest believer in vegan proteins and that shit gets expensive too if you go organic.


    Anyone cut out or cut down meat? What was your experience?



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    Dec 16, 2015 10:15 PM GMT
    JackNNJ saidIt's one of the best gender reassignment procedures known to medical science.

    Now if only there was a diet that could improve one's intelligence.
  • LJay

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    Dec 16, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
    It is interesting to me that the recommended servings of meat in most dietary plans are FAR below what people eat or would like to eat. At the same time we are encouraged to eat more plant based foods.

    Taking this into account, I doubt that cutting back on meat will do you any harm. It would be a good thing to educate yourself about the value of beans, cheeses, fiber, and the nutrients that predominate in the foods you choose.

    Most of us could profit from eating a greater variety of foods and learning that beef is not the only way to get high quality protein, nor is it necessarily the most interesting.

    Some fish tacos would be really good right now.
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    Dec 17, 2015 1:25 AM GMT
    I'm no political Vegan, so idk......
  • KissTheSky

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    Dec 17, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    Vegetarian for many years here -- probably best decision I ever made.
    If you want to stay in great shape and great health as you grow older, give it a try.
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    Dec 17, 2015 1:49 AM GMT
    Have been a Vegetarian since I was 12 or so. Do it because it's the right and ethical thing to do.
    You'll be doing something good for animal-kind, and you will feel better mentally and physically as a side benefit. It's a win-win.
    Most importantly, it's for the animals! icon_cool.gif
  • goodmagic

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    Dec 17, 2015 3:20 AM GMT
    I had a sign from the universe that caused me to be vegetarian.Then I went raw, then I was a fruitarian now I am just a veganish. Sometimes I eat cheese which still is an evil thing to do but I plan to go back to rawness in 2016.
  • Wendigo9

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    Dec 17, 2015 5:27 AM GMT
    Been there, done that, stupidest thing I've ever done was go vegan for my ex (never again). Sure when you see how it's made, it makes you think twice, but all animals eat eachother.

    *Also, STAY AWAY FROM anything SOY based, it's a gender modifier when consumed to much.*

    Anything highly concentrated is bound to have side-effects ; cyliac from wheat, diabetes from sugar, lactose from dairy, etc...
  • badbug

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    Dec 17, 2015 12:23 PM GMT

    To republican weirdos,

    Not everything is an issue between "left" and "right" or whatever juvenile prism in which you see the world. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? We all feel small and insignificant sometimes, there's a better way than to attach yourself to a political party and have all your interactions defined through your orientation to that party. Also fuck faces, reading comprehension much? I would be fine with hunting for my meat if it was more practical given my current living situation.



    To normal people, including republican's who don't make everything about their political beliefs, thanks for the replies.

    I think i will google vegan or vegetarian bodybuilders and see what's around.


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    Dec 17, 2015 1:06 PM GMT
    I've been vegan 15 years after being vegetarian fir two. It's pretty easy to do now a days and still get all the nutrients you need. Used to be a lot harder...

    Also whey is gross and makes your cum and sweat taste terrible. There are plenty of plant based protein powders you can get like Vega or Raw Power or a bunch of other brands. Eat your cheese or whatever else you want but whey is gross.

    Also the myth about soy turning you into a woman is a right wing religious myth. Lolz. Soy is in pretty much everything, so if this were true everyone would be turning into women. Hahahaha...
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    Dec 17, 2015 3:17 PM GMT
    mecduplateau saidI've been vegan 15 years after being vegetarian fir two. It's pretty easy to do now a days and still get all the nutrients you need. Used to be a lot harder...
    Also whey is gross and makes your cum and sweat taste terrible. There are plenty of plant based protein powders you can get like Vega or Raw Power or a bunch of other brands. Eat your cheese or whatever else you want but whey is gross...
    Also the myth about soy turning you into a woman is a right wing religious myth. Lolz. Soy is in pretty much everything, so if this were true everyone would be turning into women. Hahahaha...

    +1

    its illegal to take pictures of meat production in my state. Kinda an odd law. It makes it easy to pick up a packet of bright red colored $10/lb product at the Safeway and think it is healthy and the only option.
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    Dec 17, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
    goodmagic saidI had a sign from the universe that caused me to be vegetarian.

    And I had a sign from the universe that caused me to like big dicks.   icon_biggrin.gif
  • gamble

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    Dec 18, 2015 8:11 AM GMT
    I just wanted to pop in to say that it is TOTALLY OK to reframe this issue as a matter of quantity/frequency rather than dogma. I think it's actually really destructive to our health culture and ecosystem to make this an identity-based issue.

    Vegetarian vs. meat-eater. It's like, there's one person who isn't allowed to eat meat ever, ever, ever or they're a complete and utter hypocrite, and another who can blithely eat meat at every meal of every day and never has to give the slightest thought about whether that's a good idea.

    I used to be heavily involved with small-scale, organic farmers and ranchers and I can tell you it makes a huge, huge difference to the quality of life for the animals, the social welfare of the community and the surrounding environmental to buy the stuff that comes from conscientious producers rather than industrial. But here's the thing - an ethical, sustainable farmer can't survive if you simply never buy meat at all.

    It's totally possible to eat meat at one meal a week, or to have one day a week where you DON'T eat meat, or you could eat meat once a month or a few times a year - there's no law against it. You could also consider meat as a garnish you use sparingly in your cooking rather than as the very dish itself. And if you're eating it that infrequently you can splurge on a high-quality, good-for-the-world product that really does taste much better anyway.

    I think if more people were simply *cognizant* of how much meat they're eating and making conscious decisions about how often they do and where it comes from we'd live in a much better world. Being locked conceptually into this identity-based all-or-nothing model ends up doing more harm than good I think.

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  • Silverlakr

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    Dec 18, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
    Interesting topic. Vegetarian for 34 years and vegan for the last two. It's the right thing to do...When you think about it, who wants to eat butcher's meat, fecal chicken or a chicken's period?
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    Dec 30, 2015 6:36 AM GMT
    I'm slowly becoming a vegetarian. Given the quality of protein from eggs and dairy I don't see how becoming a vegetarian would negatively affect your muscles. I've stopped cooking meat at home and next year I will slowly start to phase meat of of my diet when I go out to eat. I will never truly give meat up completely. I will definitely cut back to eating meat a rare thing I do when trying new foods.
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    Dec 30, 2015 3:40 PM GMT
    There is nothing wrong with eating the right meats in moderation. I tried being vegetarian when I was younger but had to stop for health reasons. It was pretty easy to get by honestly and I still eat some vegetarian options because I just don't like eating plain meat that much. Except bacon.
  • badbug

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    Dec 30, 2015 5:45 PM GMT
    Bacon might be the best thing on earth. Love, friendship, sex....all those things don't compare at all to bacon. icon_smile.gif


    I am eating meat every second day right now. I don't eat out almost ever, there are few organic places where i am and they're over priced anyways. So i generally just buy some milk if i need to feed my muscles or pack a little discreet snack. Yeah, whey protein is most of my protein intake at this point. I found a great place that sells grass fed New Zealand protein, so it's loaded with CLA hooray. I do drink too much milk, it's just so easy to have 2 glasses of milk and not have to mix any gross protein for another few hours. Too much sugar though. I am not trying to be the "fuscle" type. icon_smile.gif


    Despite my confessed love for bacon, i don't eat it anymore. a) the treatment of pigs is terrible b) nitrites and nitrates and whatever else

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    Dec 30, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    badbug said

    Despite my confessed love for bacon, i don't eat it anymore. a) the treatment of pigs is terrible b) nitrites and nitrates and whatever else



    Worth it.

    I know, I know, I'm going to hell. But I figure I am already going to hell so let's just wrap everything in the warm glow of bacon.