Could "The Donald" be a ringer for the Democratic party?

  • rnch

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    Dec 17, 2015 3:27 PM GMT
    The more outlandish, bigoted and inflammatory statements made by Donald Trump we all witness; the more I wonder if he's not being a shill for the Democratic party? Doing his level best to drive voters over to the Dems and enjoying his own special ego trip while doing so?

    This certainly WOULD explain a LOT of things.



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  • HottJoe

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    Dec 17, 2015 3:55 PM GMT
    Trump is actually a softie compared to Cruz or Christie.
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    Dec 17, 2015 4:02 PM GMT
    i am sure factions of the "Make America White Again" would consider putting gays in the ovens too.


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    Dec 17, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidTrump is actually a softie compared to Cruz or Christie.



    Scarily correct.




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    Dec 17, 2015 4:31 PM GMT
    No, agree or disagree w/ him, Trump is genuine and speaks what he believes, which is precisely why I like him. Whether I'd vote for him remains to be seen, but I relish the icon-smashing he's brought to the debate. He's nobody's tool.
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    Dec 17, 2015 4:35 PM GMT
    NYT: But on other domestic issues, Trump can sound center-left (he’s no religious conservative, he loves eminent domain, he’s made favorable noises about single payer) or even liberal — particularly on entitlements, where he’s argued that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should be protected from any kind of restructuring and reform.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/opinion/campaign-stops/the-gop-at-a-crossroads.html
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    Dec 17, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: But on other domestic issues, Trump can sound center-left (he’s no religious conservative, he loves eminent domain, he’s made favorable noises about single payer) or even liberal — particularly on entitlements, where he’s argued that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should be protected from any kind of restructuring and reform.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/opinion/campaign-stops/the-gop-at-a-crossroads.html

    He's actually very moderate compared to the other GOP candidates, all of whom have ramped up their anti immigration, anti Muslim rhetoric, to match or exceed Trump's.

    Really the least frightening prospect among them, for gays, immigrants, refugees, or other minorities, is Jeb Bush, of all people.icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 17, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    And sadly, Hillary sounds like our main contender for the Democrats. Surely we can do better than that.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 17, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd sadly, Hillary sounds like our main contender for the Democrats. Surely we can do better than that.

    Hillary is poised to win by default.
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    woodsmen saidNYT: But on other domestic issues, Trump can sound center-left (he’s no religious conservative, he loves eminent domain, he’s made favorable noises about single payer) or even liberal — particularly on entitlements, where he’s argued that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should be protected from any kind of restructuring and reform.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/opinion/campaign-stops/the-gop-at-a-crossroads.html

    He's actually very moderate compared to the other GOP candidates, all of whom have ramped up their anti immigration, anti Muslim rhetoric, to match or exceed Trump's.

    Really the least frightening prospect among them, for gays, immigrants, refugees, or other minorities, is Jeb Bush, of all people.icon_eek.gif


    And Kasich
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    Dec 18, 2015 12:00 AM GMT
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    HottJoe said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd sadly, Hillary sounds like our main contender for the Democrats. Surely we can do better than that.

    Hillary is poised to win by default.


    Well, she certainly is poised to win the "Democrat primary" as they are having practically no debates and the ones they do have are held on Saturday nights when nobody is watching. All by design to protect Hillary.



    She may have real trouble up against any of four or five of the republicans when it comes to debates.
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    Dec 18, 2015 12:15 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    [Hillary] may have real trouble up against any of four or five of the republicans when it comes to debates.

    Strange, most professional political observers think Hillary's governmental & political experience, her intelligence, and general combativeness, will have her making mince meat of the hollow Republican blowhards. But of course these debates rarely change many minds late in the game. Republicans will think their guy won, Democrats will think she nailed it.

    The "pundits" will declare a winner and few voters will care. Only a complete meltdown could hurt a candidate at the polls, and few have ever had one so late in the game. It's usually during the primaries they implode, and she'll survive those.
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    Dec 18, 2015 12:22 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd sadly, Hillary sounds like our main contender for the Democrats. Surely we can do better than that.

    Hillary is poised to win by default.


    Well, she certainly is poised to win the "Democrat primary" as they are having practically no debates and the ones they do have are held on Saturday nights when nobody is watching. All by design to protect Hillary.



    She may have real trouble up against any of four or five of the republicans when it comes to debates.


    Of course she would, except that the "moderators" will throw her softballs, so nothing for her to really worry about. For example:

    Question to the Republican: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

    Follow up question to Hillary: "Will you, right now, condemn men who beat their wives?"


    Ok, so let's make that question a little tougher for Hillary:

    "Will you, right now, condemn women who beat their husbands?"

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    Dec 18, 2015 12:23 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    [Hillary] may have real trouble up against any of four or five of the republicans when it comes to debates.

    Strange, most professional political observers think Hillary's governmental & political experience, her intelligence, and general combativeness, will have her making mince meat of the hollow Republican blowhards. But of course these debates rarely change many minds late in the game. Republicans will think their guy won, Democrats will think she nailed it.

    The "pundits" will declare a winner and few voters will care. Only a complete meltdown could hurt a candidate at the polls, and few have ever had one so late in the game. It's usually during the primaries they implode, and she'll survive those.


    "most" ?
  • KissTheSky

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    Dec 18, 2015 1:33 AM GMT
    I've talked to many people here in DC who are amazed at how badly Trump is damaging the GOP. And just a few years ago he was donating money to Hillary and describing himself as a Democrat.
    Looks very suspicious to me.
  • rip12

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    Dec 18, 2015 1:40 AM GMT
    i could be completely wrong about this

    ive said before trump seems too caustic to ever become president in my eyes - but he continues to say what an awful lot of people think - whether you like the way he says it or not is another issue

    from the various people i have discussed this with on both sides of the aisle i find an increasing number of people who like what he says

    i notice the media only discusses his support among republicans

    again i could be wrong - but i have this suspicion he has a huge amount of support from democrats and independents alike that, for whatever reason, the media is trying to hide or at least not discuss
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    Dec 18, 2015 2:16 AM GMT
    rip12 saidi could be completely wrong about this

    again i could be wrong - but i have this suspicion he has a huge amount of support from democrats and independents alike that, for whatever reason, the media is trying to hide or at least not discuss


    He, much like Reagan, has the support of the middle class. Party did not matter because many people thought he would help them. Trump's appeal is similar.

    The other candidates come across as empty suits - or pantsuits as the case may be. All talk.. blah blah blah.. Elect me and I will do nothing except play golf when I get into office.


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    Dec 18, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    rnch saidThe more outlandish, bigoted and inflammatory statements made by Donald Trump we all witness; the more I wonder if he's not being a shill for the Democratic party? Doing his level best to drive voters over to the Dems and enjoying his own special ego trip while doing so?

    This certainly WOULD explain a LOT of things.



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    A number of dems are also attracted to Trump because of his strong opinions. The question is how many.
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    Dec 18, 2015 2:41 AM GMT
    rip12 saidi could be completely wrong about this

    ive said before trump seems too caustic to ever become president in my eyes - but he continues to say what an awful lot of people think - whether you like the way he says it or not is another issue

    from the various people i have discussed this with on both sides of the aisle i find an increasing number of people who like what he says

    i notice the media only discusses his support among republicans

    again i could be wrong - but i have this suspicion he has a huge amount of support from democrats and independents alike that, for whatever reason, the media is trying to hide or at least not discuss


    I know a bunch of UAW and a few USW .... all democrats, and you've got that right.
  • Hypertrophile

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    Dec 18, 2015 2:44 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd sadly, Hillary sounds like our main contender for the Democrats. Surely we can do better than that.

    Hillary is poised to win by default.


    Well, she certainly is poised to win the "Democrat primary" as they are having practically no debates and the ones they do have are held on Saturday nights when nobody is watching. All by design to protect Hillary.



    False.

    Of the six scheduled debates, two were on Saturday.

    http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/
  • Hypertrophile

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    Dec 18, 2015 2:46 AM GMT
    The Democrats don't need a "ringer" in the GOP field. Or vice versa.

    Whatever happened to the days when the president was always the smartest guy in the room?
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    Dec 18, 2015 3:12 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile said
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd sadly, Hillary sounds like our main contender for the Democrats. Surely we can do better than that.

    Hillary is poised to win by default.


    Well, she certainly is poised to win the "Democrat primary" as they are having practically no debates and the ones they do have are held on Saturday nights when nobody is watching. All by design to protect Hillary.



    False.

    Of the six scheduled debates, two were on Saturday.

    http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/


    Two of three so far have been on Saturday so I see why someone would think that.
  • dreamcock

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    Dec 18, 2015 3:17 AM GMT
    Hllary makes my stomach turn-if ever there was a candidate who thinks they are owed the presidency and are above the law of the land its this cunt-she's so crooked its scary!
  • LJay

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    Dec 18, 2015 3:25 AM GMT
    The election is about a year away. I think I'll go take a nap.