Muslim Refugees Batter Gay Man to Death in Sweden

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    Dec 18, 2015 2:06 AM GMT
    And liberals call Donald Trump a "racist" for saying we need some discretion over who comes to the USA. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Two Muslim migrants in Sweden have been charged with the hate crime murder of a gay man after they allegedly battered the victim to death before dressing him up in women’s clothing and wrapping a snake around his neck.

    http://www.infowars.com/sweden-muslim-migrants-batter-gay-man-to-death-wrap-snake-around-his-neck/
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    Dec 18, 2015 4:43 AM GMT
    Has this been confirmed by reliable sources? Alex Jones is a radio commentator nut job, visit his INFOWARS site and see for yourself.

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    Dec 18, 2015 5:10 AM GMT
    It seems to be on other sites also but I can't vouch for any of their reliability.

    Sam27, why don't you get upset with metta when he posts link after link after link painting Christians in a bad light?
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    Dec 18, 2015 5:16 AM GMT
    Sam27 saidThat is terrible. Hate crimes are all over the world, including in the United States. Interesting how O.P. narrow down to "Muslim refugee" as a bad guy, but ignore non-Muslims hate crimes? Then he blames "Liberal" for Trump's comment on Muslim immigrants? Really?!

    I agree there are some bad Muslims. There are some bad people in all religions and some bad atheists. I am not going to forget what happen to Matthew Shepard was murdered by non-muslim. I guess Trump should ban all anti-gay people?


    Not a hate crime. This is a cultural and religious practice that's been done for centuries. ISIS tosses gay men off buildings and records it, not for religious reasons, but as a PR move to gain support with rank and file muslims.

    Watch the video below. Crowds of Syrians are unfazed or even cheering...like they're watching a fireworks display. Trump is right again. We are at war, after all.

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    Dec 18, 2015 5:22 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidHas this been confirmed by reliable sources? Alex Jones is a radio commentator nut job, visit his INFOWARS site and see for yourself.

    http://www.infowars.com


    Alex Jones has a big following, especially with younger, libertarian leaning conservatives. They know something funky is going on in our gov't. The guys below look like freedom loving software developers, or other normal, red blooded Americans.

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    If you follow MSNBC/CNN, then broaden your palate. MSNBC omits or pushes down news that doesn't fit with the liberal story, so alternate with FOX news or Drudgereport.com. Check out Ann Coulter. Her books are provocative, entertaining, and thoroughly researched. No wonder they're best sellers.
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    Dec 18, 2015 12:03 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidIt seems to be on other sites also but I can't vouch for any of their reliability.

    Don't trust the Daily Mail?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3364353/North-African-teenager-stabs-Swedish-transvestite-death-hangs-SNAKE-neck-going-home-discovering-not-woman-wig-slipped.html

    Since it's Sweden, and their crimes can be excused because they must have had an unhappy childhood, they will probably be out on the street again in less than 10 years, and they probably won't be deported even then.
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    Dec 18, 2015 12:21 PM GMT
    How's your Swedish? (There is always Google translate.)

    http://www.expressen.se/gt/la-dod-orm-vid-likets-hals-jag-ar-ormradd/
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    Dec 18, 2015 2:09 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidHas this been confirmed by reliable sources? Alex Jones is a radio commentator nut job, visit his INFOWARS site and see for yourself.

    http://www.infowars.com

    Alex Jones has a big following, especially with younger, libertarian leaning conservatives. They know something funky is going on in our gov't. The guys below look like freedom loving software developers, or other normal, red blooded Americans.

    If you follow MSNBC/CNN, then broaden your palate. MSNBC omits or pushes down news that doesn't fit with the liberal story, so alternate with FOX news or Drudgereport.com. Check out Ann Coulter. Her books are provocative, entertaining, and thoroughly researched. No wonder they're best sellers.

    OK, that ranks as one of the more wacky recent posts here. What exactly does a "freedom loving software developer" look like?

    "What do you guys do for a living?" "We're red-blooded American, freedom-loving software developers!" "Who know something funky is going on in our government. So we only listen to people who reinforce our paranoia, and wear T-shirts that say "Big Brother Is Watching" and wristbands with 'DOOM' on them!"

    Your recommended viewing and reading list confirms my earlier statement. (BTW, I rely upon much more than MSNBC, using sources from around the world) "Check out Ann Coulter." LMAO Now there's one of America's premier nut jobs that any young libertarian can respect and quote. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Thanks for confirming my initial impression of your mindset. And for providing today's laugh. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 18, 2015 2:19 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidHas this been confirmed by reliable sources? Alex Jones is a radio commentator nut job, visit his INFOWARS site and see for yourself.

    http://www.infowars.com


    I was waiting for alternate sources as well. InfoWars is notoriously unreliable, tending toward right wing conspiracy stuff.

    The UK Mirror has picked the story up, so it may be valid.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/refugees-murdered-gay-man-before-7033241

    As more Muslim refugees flood into European countries, I expect more of these sort of cultural clashes. Sweden is said to have had a high number of rapes committed by the refugees.

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    Dec 18, 2015 3:00 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidIt seems to be on other sites also but I can't vouch for any of their reliability.

    Don't trust the Daily Mail?

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    I never said that. However, in general, I don't have a whole lot of respect for the news media.
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    Dec 18, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidHow's your Swedish? (There is always Google translate.)

    http://www.expressen.se/gt/la-dod-orm-vid-likets-hals-jag-ar-ormradd/


    It's worth noting that the perps were teens, out of control.

    Blaming all Muslims or all refugees seems to be painting with an awfully wide brush.
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    HikerSkier saidHow's your Swedish? (There is always Google translate.)

    http://www.expressen.se/gt/la-dod-orm-vid-likets-hals-jag-ar-ormradd/


    It's worth noting that the perps were teens, out of control.

    Blaming all Muslims or all refugees seems to be painting with an awfully wide brush.


    I was not blaming "all muslims" or "all refugees," - just reporting - (although Muslim immigrants have been a particular problem in Gothenburg, which has been reported on a lot over the years.)

    "Teens out of control"? That's an interesting concept. Then perhaps they can be excused for the brutal murder, and just spend a couple months in a juvenile facility, where they might learn some manners at least, if not learn Swedish?

    They come from a country at war - they should know all about death (which they apparently do),and it would be most appropriate to take their lives. Too bad it can't happen there.
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    Dec 18, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    Hiker, they're damaged.

    "The two accused teenagers have lived on the streets alone in many European countries before coming to Sweden where they lived on and off at different institutions. The so-called street children from Morocco and other North African countries, according to a secret intelligence report from the Border Police in Stockholm are particularly vulnerable to crime and even criminal records."

    PTSD is a real thing. We don't know what horrors they've seen in their short lives.

    Prosecute them according to Sweden's laws. End.
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    Dec 18, 2015 11:04 PM GMT
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    S2Ki||Crowds of Syrians are unfazed or even cheering

    ISIS aren't Syrians.

    You have no issue with crowds of Syrians, cheering ISIS for killing gays?

    S2Ki||This is a cultural and religious practice that's been done for centuries.

    So any other cultural and not religious or atheist dislike gay people. [/quote]

    No...just no. Cut the PC crap. Tell me why US citizens should advocate spending billions of dollars, to bring throngs of people from a religion/culture where murder of gays is celebrated, among other atrocities.
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    Dec 18, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI rely upon much more than MSNBC, using sources from around the world


    What "much more than MSNBC" sources do you rely on?
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    Dec 18, 2015 11:23 PM GMT
    meninlove said Hiker, they're damaged.

    "The two accused teenagers have lived on the streets alone in many European countries before coming to Sweden where they lived on and off at different institutions. The so-called street children from Morocco and other North African countries, according to a secret intelligence report from the Border Police in Stockholm are particularly vulnerable to crime and even criminal records."

    PTSD is a real thing. We don't know what horrors they've seen in their short lives.

    Prosecute them according to Sweden's laws. End.


    No sympathy for murderers here. Damaged/smamaged. So they didn't get love as a child. I don't care. If I were the red queen, I would say off with their heads. (That would be their fate if they had moved to neighboring Saudi Arabia with cultural values similar to that of their own country) If one moves to a civilized country, one has to act according to the mores or suffer the consequences. Unfortunately the consequences for murder in Sweden (which is still the ultimate welfare state, where they have probably been living off welfare since their arrival) are now very slight.
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    Dec 19, 2015 12:33 AM GMT
    It's pretty tragic, and yes, it has indeed happened. I don't have any sympathy towards the people who committed this crime. While it's likely that they're muslim since they're from North Africa, Swedish police don't register what religion people belong to when arresting people. They're street-kids after all, so not sure how much religion they've been able to take in. So the fact that they're "absolutely muslim" is nothing that has even been stated by the police, it's just something the foreign papers (?) have added (I read the article in several credible Swedish newspapers, their religion was never mentioned). Sidenote: I despise all abrahamic religions, I wish none of them would have any political, social or cultural influence on any part of the world.

    There's a right-wing surge in the nordic countries at the moment that follows the global western world momentum. Not surprisingly, the sites that you follow probably did not report about the white Swedish teenager who brought swords to an immigrant-majority school and started slicing people up, resulting in the deaths of three people, one of them being a student and the others teachers trying to protect the students.

    In addition to this, your site also probably didn't report that this year alone, there have been 17 arsons at locations that were set up for refugees. The locations of these houses were posted by the Swedish Democrates, an anti-immigration party in Sweden, and it became pretty obvious that they wanted people to keep burning down these buildings since they just kept posting the addresses even after the first arsons. One member of this party was also found, along with a well-known nazi, with 550 kg dynamite in their possession. While I agree that some refugees are dangerous, they are few, and if stastics show us anything, the right-wing side of Sweden is probably something we should be a lot more scared of.
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    Dec 19, 2015 1:16 AM GMT
    Just keep doing what you are doing Europe... but this time Russia won't help...
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    Buddha saidIt's pretty tragic, and yes, it has indeed happened. I don't have any sympathy towards the people who committed this crime. While it's likely that they're muslim since they're from North Africa, Swedish police don't register what religion people belong to when arresting people. They're street-kids after all, so not sure how much religion they've been able to take in. So the fact that they're "absolutely muslim" is nothing that has even been stated by the police, it's just something the foreign papers (?) have added (I read the article in several credible Swedish newspapers, their religion was never mentioned). Sidenote: I despise all abrahamic religions, I wish none of them would have any political, social or cultural influence on any part of the world.

    There's a right-wing surge in the nordic countries at the moment that follows the global western world momentum. Not surprisingly, the sites that you follow probably did not report about the white Swedish teenager who brought swords to an immigrant-majority school and started slicing people up, resulting in the deaths of three people, one of them being a student and the others teachers trying to protect the students.

    In addition to this, your site also probably didn't report that this year alone, there have been 17 arsons at locations that were set up for refugees. The locations of these houses were posted by the Swedish Democrates, an anti-immigration party in Sweden, and it became pretty obvious that they wanted people to keep burning down these buildings since they just kept posting the addresses even after the first arsons. One member of this party was also found, along with a well-known nazi, with 550 kg dynamite in their possession. While I agree that some refugees are dangerous, they are few, and if stastics show us anything, the right-wing side of Sweden is probably something we should be a lot more scared of.


    Valid points about the white skinhead types in the US and Europe. They've always been around, but unfortunately, a mass influx of culturally opposite muslims will swell their ranks.

    My main issue isn't with the Syrians or even Islam, but rather with the terribly ill-conceived political moves. Obama doesn't have a plan to deal with ISIS, let alone seem to understand what's going on. His SOS (Clinton and then Kerry) are just as incompetent. The world has always depended on the US for leadership, but there is a vacuum at the top, and ISIS is taking full advantage of our fumbles.

    I may be giving Obama and Clinton too much credit, but I think the reason they browbeat US citizens into taking so many refugees, is they know millions will likely die from their incompetence. But the most irritating part, are their mindless followers who throw the racist, xenophobe cards at anybody who questions this clusterfuck. So, it's good to see somebody who can rationally discuss the issues.




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    Dec 19, 2015 3:12 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidI rely upon much more than MSNBC, using sources from around the world

    What "much more than MSNBC" sources do you rely on?

    The BBC, Reuters, CBC, AP, ABC, CBS, PBS, gosh, I can't think of them all.

    And what sources do YOU use & quote, other than radical Right Wing?
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    Dec 19, 2015 4:05 PM GMT
    Sam27 saidS2Ki,
    I am not defending murders or anyone cheering death. I think you are misunderstanding me, "Syrians that are cheering ISIS for killing gay" aren't Syrians. Syrians don't like being called "ISIS". Most westernized Arabs are Levantine Arabs (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine-Israel, and Jordan. Some of them have relatives in the United States, Europe and all other western countries.

    Maybe take this up with CNN, because they claim the video was shot in Syria....and it shows a large crowd of people below, watching this atrocity take place like it's a fireworks display or cowboys at the rodeo.

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    Sam27 saidYour last comment, it is not about their "religion/culture", it is how they were raised and taught by their parents and neighbors about LGBT. Why should we allow U.S. citizens here in the United States that are against LGBT? Why not kick them oversea?

    Because those anti-gay people are already here legally. Most would oppose gays being tossed off buildings, because they believe "thou shalt not kill" so they at least respect our right to life. Civil liberties, unfortunately, are another matter.

    Sam27 saidThe refugees are from North Africa. Talk to me about moral in that picture below:
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    I have no idea about that photo. Were the beheaded men innocent, or killed for being killers themselves?

    I'm not against immigrants or refugees. I'd love to have the gay couple in the video as neighbors. Why? Because they understand individual rights and the rule of law triumph over religion. The US is pulled together by that common idea, not a race or religion. I welcome anybody who believes that.

    Much of Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster, and choosing Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State was his first mistake. His refugee plan is hastily put together, and seeing the "clash of civilizations" in Europe shows it's disaster for all sides.

    Syrian American immigrants (who are mostly Christian) oppose the Obama plan, because they say many refugees have blood on their hands. That carries more credibility with me, especially over an incompetent president who attempts to browbeat his citizens into silence.


    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ee2a422ecb1e4b8989725381bb26b042/americas-little-syria-divide-accepting-refugees


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    Dec 19, 2015 6:30 PM GMT


    >>I was not blaming "all muslims" or "all refugees," - just reporting - (although Muslim immigrants have been a particular problem in Gothenburg, which has been reported on a lot over the years.)

    I didn't mean you, but rather the knee-jerk reaction in the press and people who write letters to the editor - and politicians.

    >> That's an interesting concept. Then perhaps they can be excused for the brutal murder, and just spend a couple months in a juvenile facility, where they might learn some manners at least, if not learn Swedish?

    You mistake me again: I in no way condone this or want to go easy. I was merely commenting on how teens, being teens, get out of control. More guidance and monitoring is needed at home! (And elsewhere) Young people do crazy shit.

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    Dec 19, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    I'm gonna say this: let us wait and see. My country is taking them in now, and they are grateful, but being gay I still expect a stab in the back eventually...
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    Kazachok saidI'm gonna say this: let us wait and see. My country is taking them in now, and they are grateful, but being gay I still expect a stab in the back eventually...


    I don't think the USA, Canada, Germany, or any other country has anything to fear from the current round of Syrian refugees. Unlike a lot of previous immigrants from that part of the world, the current Syrians seem to be for the most part educated, middle class (or used to be) and a lot of them speak English. They will do fine wherever they are settled.
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    Dec 19, 2015 11:45 PM GMT
    S2Ki saidAnd liberals call Donald Trump a "racist" for saying we need some discretion over who comes to the USA. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Two Muslim migrants in Sweden have been charged with the hate crime murder of a gay man after they allegedly battered the victim to death before dressing him up in women’s clothing and wrapping a snake around his neck.

    http://www.infowars.com/sweden-muslim-migrants-batter-gay-man-to-death-wrap-snake-around-his-neck/



    Alex Jones?
    You pretty happy with Alex Jones for your information?