Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

  • metta

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    Dec 18, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
    Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?


    http://www.juancole.com/2015/12/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god.html
  • tazzari

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    Dec 18, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
    Yes, but differently.
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    Dec 19, 2015 12:46 AM GMT
    The PC answer is yes, but the real answer is no, despite what Muslims might say.

    "Christians have their own theologies (a lot of them!) and I’m not trying to tell them what they believe. That’s up to them. I’m simply pointing out that if they maintain that Muslims worship a different god, they are saying there is more than one god, which is contrary to most known Christian doctrine." That's just a ridiculous conclusion.

    "Many Christian thinkers through the centuries have held that God is unknowable. If so, then Christians don’t know Him better than Muslims." Who are these Christians that say God is unknowable? According to Christian theology God revealed himself throughout history and ultimately through Jesus Christ. Do we know everything? Of course not! How could we know the infinite? But we do know what "he" wants us to know.
  • Kazachok

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    Dec 19, 2015 1:19 AM GMT
    Unfortunately, yes. Throw in some Jews and it's a full house.

    Don't forget all the other Semitic gods, you so-called monotheists
  • Suetonius

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    Dec 19, 2015 5:36 AM GMT
    I think its a very strange question indeed.

    Why should a god need to be "worshiped"? When I think of "worshiping," what comes to mind are men bowing down to a golden calf and praising it, men "worshiping" the Great Leader, or gays "worshiping" muscles.

    What is accomplished by men "worshiping" an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect being? Is this god also extremely vain, that it actually likes or requires praise - (sort of like a dog or cat)? Such a god would not be perfect.
  • metta

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    Dec 19, 2015 7:11 AM GMT
    What Kind Of Jew Are You?

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    Dec 19, 2015 7:26 AM GMT
    Suetonius saidI think its a very strange question indeed.

    Why should a god need to be "worshiped"? When I think of "worshiping," what comes to mind are men bowing down to a golden calf and praising it, men "worshiping" the Great Leader, or gays "worshiping" muscles.

    What is accomplished by men "worshiping" an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect being? Is this god also extremely vain, that it actually likes or requires praise - (sort of like a dog or cat)? Such a god would not be perfect.


    Christians are required to worship God. That doesn't mean god needs it.
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    Dec 19, 2015 1:37 PM GMT
    The Judeo-Christian-Muslim (or Abrahamic) religions are all branches of the same tree. Many Christians agree that Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same God, although many more Christians hold this to be true with regard to Judaism than to Islam. But precisely because they all lay claim to the one God of Abraham, contradiction must attend their interactions. As an atheist I'm happy to let them argue it out between themselves.
  • Apparition

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    Dec 22, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    how can something made up, be the same thing? The question is moot.
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    Dec 22, 2015 12:45 AM GMT
    Why do I care?

    Seems like they could worship a Rock with all the ungodliness they portray!!
  • metta

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    Jan 06, 2016 7:25 PM GMT
    Professor Dr. Larycia Hawkins Who Said Christians And Muslims Worship ‘Same God’ Is About To Be Fired


    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2016/01/06/3736443/wheaton-college-takes-steps-to-fire-professor-same-god/
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 7:51 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Suetonius saidI think its a very strange question indeed.

    Why should a god need to be "worshiped"? When I think of "worshiping," what comes to mind are men bowing down to a golden calf and praising it, men "worshiping" the Great Leader, or gays "worshiping" muscles.

    What is accomplished by men "worshiping" an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect being? Is this god also extremely vain, that it actually likes or requires praise - (sort of like a dog or cat)? Such a god would not be perfect.


    Christians are required to worship God. That doesn't mean god needs it.

    No, it means He requires it. It's totalitarianism. Try to escape and you're sent to hell.... Who's the devil now?icon_confused.gif
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    UndercoverMan saidThe PC answer is yes, but the real answer is no, despite what Muslims might say.

    "Christians have their own theologies (a lot of them!) and I’m not trying to tell them what they believe. That’s up to them. I’m simply pointing out that if they maintain that Muslims worship a different god, they are saying there is more than one god, which is contrary to most known Christian doctrine." That's just a ridiculous conclusion.

    "Many Christian thinkers through the centuries have held that God is unknowable. If so, then Christians don’t know Him better than Muslims." Who are these Christians that say God is unknowable? According to Christian theology God revealed himself throughout history and ultimately through Jesus Christ. Do we know everything? Of course not! How could we know the infinite? But we do know what "he" wants us to know.



    You are wrong. Muslims believe in one God only. It is a monotheistic religion. They believe in the same good too because Muslims consider Jesus Christ as one of God's messenger and listening to God's messenger is required of Muslims. However, the difference is that while Christians consider Jesus to be the son of God, Muslims consider him only the messenger. Mohammed on the other hand is consider to be the greatest messenger along with being the final messenger sent by God to restore Islam.
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    Jan 06, 2016 8:05 PM GMT
    The christian 'jesus fish' actually is worshipping the vagina, not some unseen deity. It would explain right wing obsession with control over 'the birth canal'. We can get an idea of what religion worships which deity by looking at their pagan symbolism


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    Jan 06, 2016 8:06 PM GMT
    Apparition saidhow can something made up, be the same thing? The question is moot.


    High five.

    That said, yep, it's the same made up dude.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 8:14 PM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    UndercoverMan saidThe PC answer is yes, but the real answer is no, despite what Muslims might say.

    "Christians have their own theologies (a lot of them!) and I’m not trying to tell them what they believe. That’s up to them. I’m simply pointing out that if they maintain that Muslims worship a different god, they are saying there is more than one god, which is contrary to most known Christian doctrine." That's just a ridiculous conclusion.

    "Many Christian thinkers through the centuries have held that God is unknowable. If so, then Christians don’t know Him better than Muslims." Who are these Christians that say God is unknowable? According to Christian theology God revealed himself throughout history and ultimately through Jesus Christ. Do we know everything? Of course not! How could we know the infinite? But we do know what "he" wants us to know.



    You are wrong. Muslims believe in one God only. It is a monotheistic religion. They believe in the same good too because Muslims consider Jesus Christ as one of God's messenger and listening to God's messenger is required of Muslims. However, the difference is that while Christians consider Jesus to be the son of God, Muslims consider him only the messenger. Mohammed on the other hand is consider to be the greatest messenger along with being the final messenger sent by God to restore Islam.

    Monotheism is, by definition, totalitarianism. Religion is just superstition used to control the masses. Almost no one who believes in diversity could accept living in a theocracy. That said, atheists are, by and large, MUCH more tolerant than Christians or Muslims, because they understand that religion is just the folly of human nature and you can't blame people for believing in what their parents believe, even when you know in your heart that it's wrong.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 8:27 PM GMT
    The quran and the bible are both creepy, if you don't subscribe to them and just read what they actually say. It's truly heart-stoppingly scary. But the thing that's damaging to us all is that people who believe in them are killing each other and taking the rest of us with them. Therefore, I welcome and tolerate religious people and don't see a difference between Christians and Muslims. I treat them equally and fairly, even when they can't do the same for me, and that makes me the bigger person. Peace.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 8:44 PM GMT
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe saidThe quran and the bible are both creepy, if you don't subscribe to them and just read what they actually say. It's truly heart-stoppingly scary. But the thing that's damaging to us all is that people who believe in them are killing each other and taking the rest of us with them. Therefore, I welcome and tolerate religious people and don't see a difference between Christians and Muslims. I treat them equally and fairly, even when they can't do the same for me, and that makes me the bigger person. Peace.



    Christians don't globally kill muslims and that does not make a bigger person, that just makes you an idiot that makes the situation worse for others and next generations, people like you twist and ignore the reality and the truth and ignore the threat to liberal society and liberal society does not mean it needs to tolerate those who are against it, you are a pseudo liberal fascist

    I made it clear that I accept every religion and non religious person as part of society. I happen to be nonreligious myself. You're against me because I won't choose one religion over another. You're just proving my point. Sad.
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    ricky1987 said
    UndercoverMan saidThe PC answer is yes, but the real answer is no, despite what Muslims might say.

    "Christians have their own theologies (a lot of them!) and I’m not trying to tell them what they believe. That’s up to them. I’m simply pointing out that if they maintain that Muslims worship a different god, they are saying there is more than one god, which is contrary to most known Christian doctrine." That's just a ridiculous conclusion.

    "Many Christian thinkers through the centuries have held that God is unknowable. If so, then Christians don’t know Him better than Muslims." Who are these Christians that say God is unknowable? According to Christian theology God revealed himself throughout history and ultimately through Jesus Christ. Do we know everything? Of course not! How could we know the infinite? But we do know what "he" wants us to know.



    You are wrong. Muslims believe in one God only. It is a monotheistic religion. They believe in the same good too because Muslims consider Jesus Christ as one of God's messenger and listening to God's messenger is required of Muslims. However, the difference is that while Christians consider Jesus to be the son of God, Muslims consider him only the messenger. Mohammed on the other hand is consider to be the greatest messenger along with being the final messenger sent by God to restore Islam.

    Monotheism is, by definition, totalitarianism. Religion is just superstition used to control the masses. Almost no one who believes in diversity could accept living in a theocracy. That said, atheists are, by and large, MUCH more tolerant than Christians or Muslims, because they understand that religion is just the folly of human nature and you can't blame people for believing in what their parents believe, even when you know in your heart that it's wrong.



    While I agree mostly with you, I have met totalitarian atheist too.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 8:48 PM GMT
    People just can't accept that we're mortal, so, ironically, they kill each other over who gets to rule the afterlife... It's fucking crazy and so pathetically tragic that my stomach turns. The fact is, we are mortal, like every other living thing on earth, and we need to protect our planet, not our place in a world that doesn't exist.
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    Jan 06, 2016 8:57 PM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    HottJoe said
    ricky1987 said
    UndercoverMan saidThe PC answer is yes, but the real answer is no, despite what Muslims might say.

    "Christians have their own theologies (a lot of them!) and I’m not trying to tell them what they believe. That’s up to them. I’m simply pointing out that if they maintain that Muslims worship a different god, they are saying there is more than one god, which is contrary to most known Christian doctrine." That's just a ridiculous conclusion.

    "Many Christian thinkers through the centuries have held that God is unknowable. If so, then Christians don’t know Him better than Muslims." Who are these Christians that say God is unknowable? According to Christian theology God revealed himself throughout history and ultimately through Jesus Christ. Do we know everything? Of course not! How could we know the infinite? But we do know what "he" wants us to know.



    You are wrong. Muslims believe in one God only. It is a monotheistic religion. They believe in the same good too because Muslims consider Jesus Christ as one of God's messenger and listening to God's messenger is required of Muslims. However, the difference is that while Christians consider Jesus to be the son of God, Muslims consider him only the messenger. Mohammed on the other hand is consider to be the greatest messenger along with being the final messenger sent by God to restore Islam.

    Monotheism is, by definition, totalitarianism. Religion is just superstition used to control the masses. Almost no one who believes in diversity could accept living in a theocracy. That said, atheists are, by and large, MUCH more tolerant than Christians or Muslims, because they understand that religion is just the folly of human nature and you can't blame people for believing in what their parents believe, even when you know in your heart that it's wrong.



    While I agree mostly with you, I have met totalitarian atheist too.

    In that case, they are likely subscribing to a nonreligious ideology, like racism, classism, or nationalism, and those things can be just as insidious as anything else.

    I have no ill-will toward religious people. My family is religious. However, I do think that at some point God will be rendered as harmless to us as Zeus.
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    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe said
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe saidThe quran and the bible are both creepy, if you don't subscribe to them and just read what they actually say. It's truly heart-stoppingly scary. But the thing that's damaging to us all is that people who believe in them are killing each other and taking the rest of us with them. Therefore, I welcome and tolerate religious people and don't see a difference between Christians and Muslims. I treat them equally and fairly, even when they can't do the same for me, and that makes me the bigger person. Peace.



    Christians don't globally kill muslims and that does not make a bigger person, that just makes you an idiot that makes the situation worse for others and next generations, people like you twist and ignore the reality and the truth and ignore the threat to liberal society and liberal society does not mean it needs to tolerate those who are against it, you are a pseudo liberal fascist

    I made it clear that I accept every religion and non religious person as part of society. I happen to be nonreligious myself. You're against me because I won't choose one religion over another. You're just proving my point. Sad.


    I am against you because you are stupid, because you want to bring islamic refugees to your own country and are complete idiot not realizing what can happen in long term and as it proofs in Europe, also in short term, you are a bad person to your country and society, a hypocrite and stupid, you are shallow with one line pc phrases like not all muslims are bad and I know some good people that are muslim blah blah blah, good that they say hello to you and are polite? and when they go home they read quran and pray to it and t is more important than anything else in the world? you are stupid I don't give a shit that you are not choosing one religion over the other, at the same time you kinda live in predominantly christian country which allows you to be gay with all of your freedoms, can you do the same and fight for your rights in islamic country? You are a hypocrite and stupid. people like you dilute extreme religion with phrases like calling racist bigot and other pc nonsense for opposing muslims and islam, but all that does is pushes the problem under the rug. Muslims needs to live in their own crap to realize how shit it is, in western world they will just take advantage of societies who achieved so much liberalism and prosperity



    OK, you need to relax and take it easy. Not everyone has the same opinion as you and people are entitled to differ. Live with it.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 9:04 PM GMT
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe said
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe saidThe quran and the bible are both creepy, if you don't subscribe to them and just read what they actually say. It's truly heart-stoppingly scary. But the thing that's damaging to us all is that people who believe in them are killing each other and taking the rest of us with them. Therefore, I welcome and tolerate religious people and don't see a difference between Christians and Muslims. I treat them equally and fairly, even when they can't do the same for me, and that makes me the bigger person. Peace.



    Christians don't globally kill muslims and that does not make a bigger person, that just makes you an idiot that makes the situation worse for others and next generations, people like you twist and ignore the reality and the truth and ignore the threat to liberal society and liberal society does not mean it needs to tolerate those who are against it, you are a pseudo liberal fascist

    I made it clear that I accept every religion and non religious person as part of society. I happen to be nonreligious myself. You're against me because I won't choose one religion over another. You're just proving my point. Sad.


    I am against you because you are stupid, because you want to bring islamic refugees to your own country and are complete idiot not realizing what can happen in long term and as it proofs in Europe, also in short term, you are a bad person to your country and society, a hypocrite and stupid, you are shallow with one line pc phrases like not all muslims are bad and I know some good people that are muslim blah blah blah, good that they say hello to you and are polite? and when they go home they read quran and pray to it and t is more important than anything else in the world? you are stupid I don't give a shit that you are not choosing one religion over the other, at the same time you kinda live in predominantly christian country which allows you to be gay with all of your freedoms, can you do the same and fight for your rights in islamic country? You are a hypocrite and stupid. people like you dilute extreme religion with phrases like calling racist bigot and other pc nonsense for opposing muslims and islam, but all that does is pushes the problem under the rug. Muslims needs to live in their own crap to realize how shit it is, in western world they will just take advantage of societies who achieved so much liberalism and prosperity

    How can I be sure someone I have a good rapport with isn't going home and reading the Bible, the Quran, or Harry Potter? It's not my place to burn the books I wouldn't read myself. That's what Nazis do.

    Also, I was born in a country that didn't accept gay people. The country changed in my lifetime. I'm still the same person.icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 06, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    Bonifacius said
    ricky1987 said
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe said
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe saidThe quran and the bible are both creepy, if you don't subscribe to them and just read what they actually say. It's truly heart-stoppingly scary. But the thing that's damaging to us all is that people who believe in them are killing each other and taking the rest of us with them. Therefore, I welcome and tolerate religious people and don't see a difference between Christians and Muslims. I treat them equally and fairly, even when they can't do the same for me, and that makes me the bigger person. Peace.



    Christians don't globally kill muslims and that does not make a bigger person, that just makes you an idiot that makes the situation worse for others and next generations, people like you twist and ignore the reality and the truth and ignore the threat to liberal society and liberal society does not mean it needs to tolerate those who are against it, you are a pseudo liberal fascist

    I made it clear that I accept every religion and non religious person as part of society. I happen to be nonreligious myself. You're against me because I won't choose one religion over another. You're just proving my point. Sad.


    I am against you because you are stupid, because you want to bring islamic refugees to your own country and are complete idiot not realizing what can happen in long term and as it proofs in Europe, also in short term, you are a bad person to your country and society, a hypocrite and stupid, you are shallow with one line pc phrases like not all muslims are bad and I know some good people that are muslim blah blah blah, good that they say hello to you and are polite? and when they go home they read quran and pray to it and t is more important than anything else in the world? you are stupid I don't give a shit that you are not choosing one religion over the other, at the same time you kinda live in predominantly christian country which allows you to be gay with all of your freedoms, can you do the same and fight for your rights in islamic country? You are a hypocrite and stupid. people like you dilute extreme religion with phrases like calling racist bigot and other pc nonsense for opposing muslims and islam, but all that does is pushes the problem under the rug. Muslims needs to live in their own crap to realize how shit it is, in western world they will just take advantage of societies who achieved so much liberalism and prosperity



    OK, you need to relax and take it easy. Not everyone has the same opinion as you and people are entitled to differ. Live with it.


    no shit, another nonsense phrase


    LOL. Why give yourself unnecessary heart burn? It is his prerogative as citizen of USA what he thinks about Muslims in USA like it is your and mine prerogative on how we think about Muslims and Islam in our own countries i.e. Estonia and India. It is not for us to tell how people in different countries should feel about their social issues.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 06, 2016 9:14 PM GMT
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe said
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe said
    Bonifacius said
    HottJoe saidThe quran and the bible are both creepy, if you don't subscribe to them and just read what they actually say. It's truly heart-stoppingly scary. But the thing that's damaging to us all is that people who believe in them are killing each other and taking the rest of us with them. Therefore, I welcome and tolerate religious people and don't see a difference between Christians and Muslims. I treat them equally and fairly, even when they can't do the same for me, and that makes me the bigger person. Peace.



    Christians don't globally kill muslims and that does not make a bigger person, that just makes you an idiot that makes the situation worse for others and next generations, people like you twist and ignore the reality and the truth and ignore the threat to liberal society and liberal society does not mean it needs to tolerate those who are against it, you are a pseudo liberal fascist

    I made it clear that I accept every religion and non religious person as part of society. I happen to be nonreligious myself. You're against me because I won't choose one religion over another. You're just proving my point. Sad.


    I am against you because you are stupid, because you want to bring islamic refugees to your own country and are complete idiot not realizing what can happen in long term and as it proofs in Europe, also in short term, you are a bad person to your country and society, a hypocrite and stupid, you are shallow with one line pc phrases like not all muslims are bad and I know some good people that are muslim blah blah blah, good that they say hello to you and are polite? and when they go home they read quran and pray to it and t is more important than anything else in the world? you are stupid I don't give a shit that you are not choosing one religion over the other, at the same time you kinda live in predominantly christian country which allows you to be gay with all of your freedoms, can you do the same and fight for your rights in islamic country? You are a hypocrite and stupid. people like you dilute extreme religion with phrases like calling racist bigot and other pc nonsense for opposing muslims and islam, but all that does is pushes the problem under the rug. Muslims needs to live in their own crap to realize how shit it is, in western world they will just take advantage of societies who achieved so much liberalism and prosperity

    How can I be sure someone I have a good rapport with isn't going home and reading the Bible, the Quran, or Harry Potter? It's not my place to burn the books I wouldn't read myself. That's what Nazis do.

    Also, I was born in a country that didn't accept gay people. The country changed in my lifetime. I'm still the same person.icon_smile.gif


    not accepting gays and killing gays based on your religion which is equal same as being yourself for a muslim, is not the same, stay stupid

    The Bible says to kill gays and it always will say that. People can cherry pick and pretend that the call to kill gays is irrelevant, but fundamental Christians will always have license to say that they are the only real Christians. Therefore, as long as these religions are still being practiced we'll always be a little afraid of dragons.