The Nightmare That Christianity's Sacred Scripture Is Not God's Word but Relates to 70 AD

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    Dec 19, 2015 3:15 AM GMT
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    Dec 19, 2015 7:35 PM GMT
    Ummm...why is it a nightmare? Christians for the most part are pretty well aware that the Bible is not the literal quoted word of God (unlike say the Koran). There are many different versions of the gospels that did not make it into the bible.

    I suppose that the nightmare is that if it didn't come literally from Jesus or God, then the entire religion is invalid. Meaning that being gay won't be considered sinful anymore. I don't think that would sway Christians from disbelieving, and if it does, I'd guess their faith is not entirely too strong.
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    Dec 19, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
    And here we go again

    Just in time for Christmas


    I believe in God the Father
    Almighty creator of heaven and earth and in Jesus Christ
    Our Lord .his only son born of the Virgin Mary he came man
    ..... Enough ? Or should I keep going


    Not everyone believes. we all have different thoughts
    And beliefs I myself am Roman Catholic it is believed I will
    Not go to heaven But to hell if there is one person on this
    Earth that can say they understand the Bible 100%
    Your a liar the bible is not ment to be understood 100%
    There are to many versions


    And for the guy that started this forum take your
    Koran and lube it up and stick it up your ass
    Your book teaches more hate than the KKK
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    Dec 20, 2015 1:30 AM GMT
    louder_and_louder saidUmmm...why is it a nightmare? Christians for the most part are pretty well aware that the Bible is not the literal quoted word of God (unlike say the Koran). There are many different versions of the gospels that did not make it into the bible.

    I suppose that the nightmare is that if it didn't come literally from Jesus or God, then the entire religion is invalid. Meaning that being gay won't be considered sinful anymore. I don't think that would sway Christians from disbelieving, and if it does, I'd guess their faith is not entirely too strong.
    It would completely destroy the credibility of all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs and completely eradicate their control over the Republican Party which cannot come soon enough.
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    Dec 20, 2015 1:55 AM GMT
    This is SO old news.
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    Dec 20, 2015 3:14 AM GMT
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    And for the guy that started this forum take your
    Koran ...
    Your book teaches more hate


    This is a nightmare for Muslims also. Jesus is a significant figure in The Koran. More important than that, The Koran went out on a limb and characterized the Gospel as sacred scripture. The Koran is discredited by Josephus and the victors of the Jewish Revolt.

    Instead of contemplating prayerfully on the significance of the video and what it means for Christianity's future, you've behaved in a way that has earned my blocking your profile and ignoring all your posts. I don't invite your expression any more. You have not behaved like a man of good Christian character. You're not a brother in Salvation.

    I go on with other Christians who are open to facts. Christians must accept facts gracefully. We are to teach facts, not lies. If our learning is of a better quality, then, we put away childish things. Christians must know their own history.

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    Dec 20, 2015 3:29 AM GMT
    LJay saidThis is SO old news.


    Tell us who has reported on this.

    Tell us that this old news has now made it into academia.
    After pastors earned their degrees knowing this old news, how well are they informing their flocks. If they are not informing their flocks (and many are not), it is news to the uninformed.

    Tell us about the Christian's excellent understanding of the outline of Josephus' Works in comparison to the outline of the gospels.

    What is so NOT old news about it is that it is a development.
    You see no new evidence in this video.

    Nobody knows what you're talking about. You may know something. The majority of people do not.

    And since you're so knowledgeable, tell us more for our edification.

    One of the speakers did more than the author of the book. That is why the author is praising the guy for advancing the argument further with finer details.
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    Dec 20, 2015 3:39 AM GMT
    louder_and_louder saidUmmm...why is it a nightmare? Christians for the most part are pretty well aware that the Bible is not the literal quoted word of God (unlike say the Koran). There are many different versions of the gospels that did not make it into the bible.

    I suppose that the nightmare is that if it didn't come literally from Jesus or God, then the entire religion is invalid. Meaning that being gay won't be considered sinful anymore. I don't think that would sway Christians from disbelieving, and if it does, I'd guess their faith is not entirely too strong.


    Correct, the religion is not as valid and is not what it is trumped up to be.

    Quality faith is not the denial of invalidating facts or inconvenient truths. The faith presented by holiness is about the light of education and acting on lessons learned not the darkness of ignorance and acting as if there have been no developments invalidating old ways.
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    Dec 20, 2015 8:49 AM GMT
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    Correct, the religion is not as valid and is not what it is trumped up to be.


    since by definition all of them are invalid, the difference between an atheist and someone devoutly religious is that they both disbelieve in the millions of religious that have been dreamed up, and they are quibbling about the last one left having already disregarded the other 99.999999999% of them.
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    Dec 20, 2015 1:53 PM GMT
    LJay, may just be reading the title of the video. You cannot say you watched a video if you just read the title of it. Then, the shade you're throwing has no darkness.
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    Dec 20, 2015 2:46 PM GMT
    OK, let's get down to business about this video.

    The Romans did not invent Jesus, they hijacked Jesus.

    The Romans did not invent the story of Mary and Joseph. One has to read Herodian Messiah by Joseph Raymond for that.

    The Romans did not invent the birth of the only begotten son, one has to read King Jesus by Ralph Ellis or read Josephus' account of the birth of Izates, son of King Monobazus and Queen Helena.
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    Dec 20, 2015 3:25 PM GMT
    Bart D. Ehrman may reject your claim that the Flavians invented Jesus; but, the comparison of the outline of events in the gospels and the works of Josephus supports what Dr. Ehrman does put forth: the gospels were not written by Matthew and John, followers of Jesus, Mark, a friend of Peter and Luke, a friend of Paul.

    Joseph Atwill and Giles Gaffney, after you produce a table with column A showing when the gospels are mocking or using Josephus and B when Josephus is mocking or using the gospels, then we know A) what was not a primary account in the gospels from primary sources and B) what was not invented after 67 AD but is a response to Jesus accounts before 67 AD (Q Source)!

    EVERY TIME you and Jiles say the Woe Saying Jesus in Josephus is a mockery of Jesus speaking Woes to the Pharisees in the gospels, you are admitting the latter is a historical event that happened BEFORE the mockery of the former.
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    Dec 20, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
    And how many angels can sit on the head of a pin? You are seriously down the rabbit hole...
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    Dec 20, 2015 4:38 PM GMT
    Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
    Psalm 19:14

    One of my ministers recited this in prayer before beginning his sermon. I stand by this.
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    Dec 20, 2015 5:36 PM GMT
    What I posted at Bart Ehrman's blog:

    Bart D. Ehrman rejects the claim of Caesar’s Messiah that the Flavian Emperors invented Jesus. I agree. They did not invent him, they and Josephus hijacked him. Josephus pulled the Star of Bethlehem from Jesus and attributed the Star Prophecy to Vespasian.

    However, Joseph Atwill has compared the outline of events in the gospels with the outline of events in the works of Josephus. His findings supports what Dr. Ehrman does put forth: the gospels were not written by Matthew and John, followers of Jesus, Mark, a friend of Peter and Luke, a friend of Paul.

    Here is Atwill’s podcast of appreciation of one of his readers exploring the comparisons further.
    https://youtu.be/zDja8rIXgZo

    The results of the comparison of outlines demolishes the resistance that remains after Dr. Ehrman has given his reasons for the gospels not being written by two followers, a friend of a follower, and a friend of Paul.

    So, no, Matthew and John did not write their gospels in their elder years.

    Dr. Ehrman, should the Society of Biblical Literature, yourself, and New Testament professors in seminaries, theological schools, and colleges explore the comparison?
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    Dec 21, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
    This is not really news.
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    Dec 22, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    Priest: This is the Word of God.

    Catholic Congregation: Thanks be to God.

    = = =

    The reader says "The Word of God for the people of God" and the ... "Thanks be to God" is the congregational response given after a reading

    = = =

    There is less reason to do this, if we go with what we know.