Is PrEP Right For Me?

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    Dec 20, 2015 11:11 PM GMT

    This should be under HIV/AIDS but it involves everyone POZ and NEG. So it is ALL things Gay


    How else can I stay HIV-negative?
    There are several steps you can take to reduce the chances of contracting HIV, including:


    #6
    Date Undetectable.

    Consider dating people living with HIV who are “undetectable.” Research shows that people living with HIV who consistently take their medication can reduce the likelihood of passing HIV onto a partner by at least 96 percent. Dating people who don't know their HIV status, or who are not connected to care, can mean a much higher likelihood of contracting HIV.http://www.hrc.org/resources/is-prep-right-for-me

    Sydney will call it selective posting. There are 8 others. But #6 ought to ruffle his feathers! It's a simple quote. Nothing added. Save the hate rhetoric, write to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).


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    Dec 20, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    This should be under HIV/AIDS but it involves everyone POZ and NEG. So it is ALL things Gay

    How else can I stay HIV-negative?
    There are several steps you can take to reduce the chances of contracting HIV, including:

    #6
    Date Undetectable.

    Consider dating people living with HIV who are “undetectable.” Research shows that people living with HIV who consistently take their medication can reduce the likelihood of passing HIV onto a partner by at least 96 percent. Dating people who don't know their HIV status, or who are not connected to care, can mean a much higher likelihood of contracting HIV.http://www.hrc.org/resources/is-prep-right-for-me

    Sydney will call it selective posting. There are 8 others. But #6 ought to ruffle his feathers! It's a simple quote. Nothing added. Save the hate rhetoric, write to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).



    How do you KNOW someone is in fact undetectable? Should you trust in their mere word? Response: No.

    You shouldn't believe someone saying they are "undetectable" any more than you should believe someone saying they're "negative".

    Only trust people you know for sure, like a partner you go to the doctor to get the 'undetectable' results with.

    Think of everyone else as if they were poz - remember HIV infections keep increasing in the gay community, don't let some lure you into barebacking, protect yourself.
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    Dec 21, 2015 12:53 AM GMT
    David666K said
    timmm55 said
    This should be under HIV/AIDS but it involves everyone POZ and NEG. So it is ALL things Gay

    How else can I stay HIV-negative?
    There are several steps you can take to reduce the chances of contracting HIV, including:

    #6
    Date Undetectable.

    Consider dating people living with HIV who are “undetectable.” Research shows that people living with HIV who consistently take their medication can reduce the likelihood of passing HIV onto a partner by at least 96 percent. Dating people who don't know their HIV status, or who are not connected to care, can mean a much higher likelihood of contracting HIV.http://www.hrc.org/resources/is-prep-right-for-me

    Sydney will call it selective posting. There are 8 others. But #6 ought to ruffle his feathers! It's a simple quote. Nothing added. Save the hate rhetoric, write to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).



    How do you KNOW someone is in fact undetectable? Should you trust in their mere word? Response: No.

    You shouldn't believe someone saying they are "undetectable" any more than you should believe someone saying they're "negative".

    Only trust people you know for sure, like a partner you go to the doctor to get the 'undetectable' results with.

    Think of everyone else as if they were poz - remember HIV infections keep increasing in the gay community, don't let some lure you into barebacking, protect yourself.


    The same way you know anything: proof.

    I can provide a Dr. letter and labs for the last several years. As I've said before read ACON#1 condoms for unknowns.
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    Dec 21, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
    David666K said
    timmm55 said
    This should be under HIV/AIDS but it involves everyone POZ and NEG. So it is ALL things Gay

    How else can I stay HIV-negative?
    There are several steps you can take to reduce the chances of contracting HIV, including:

    #6
    Date Undetectable.

    Consider dating people living with HIV who are “undetectable.” Research shows that people living with HIV who consistently take their medication can reduce the likelihood of passing HIV onto a partner by at least 96 percent. Dating people who don't know their HIV status, or who are not connected to care, can mean a much higher likelihood of contracting HIV.http://www.hrc.org/resources/is-prep-right-for-me

    Sydney will call it selective posting. There are 8 others. But #6 ought to ruffle his feathers! It's a simple quote. Nothing added. Save the hate rhetoric, write to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC).



    How do you KNOW someone is in fact undetectable? Should you trust in their mere word? Response: No.

    You shouldn't believe someone saying they are "undetectable" any more than you should believe someone saying they're "negative".

    Only trust people you know for sure, like a partner you go to the doctor to get the 'undetectable' results with.

    Think of everyone else as if they were poz - remember HIV infections keep increasing in the gay community, don't let some lure you into barebacking, protect yourself.


    I agree, but to go a step further, I won't even date someone 'undetectable' much less date anymore.

    knowing a status is great, and getting tested together is even better, BUT the problem I find with trusting someone who is negative or positive is that how can you know if the negative person gets tested regularly and uses condoms, and how do you know the undetectable person is really undetectable, and at what levels?

    I once had a HIV/AIDS educator at a drop in testing clinic at my local community college explain to me what being undetectable was because I really didn't know, and I wanted to know from someone who was educated on the matter, and not someone who was "undetectable" because everyone is "undetectable" these days.

    I call bullshit.

    She provided some good insight into what it was and there was even was water bottles set up to give a visual of what the undetectable HIV virus looks like in the body, or blood.

    Still, that doesn't convince me that dating an undetectable person is safe.

    There is a lot of stigma around HIV/AIDS, especially among gay and bisexual men, so there is no reason I should trust anyone until they can either show me some results, or go get tested with me so that I can get confirmation from someone at the clinic or wherever they go to conform their status.

    Also, with that being said, testing every 3 months is recommended for NEG guys and guys who are 'undetectable' to make sure that they are taking all their medication and that the virus is at "safe" levels.

    I'm just gonna stick to dating a guy(committed to just me--no outside partners) in the. Guys are liars and guys with HIV are literally nuts! especially the ones I've met in my life--and they aren't undetectable!


    This post and the one below it win the forum discussion.

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    Dec 22, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    "Guys are liars and guys with HIV are literally nuts! especially the ones I've met in my life--and they aren't undetectable!"

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    Really, literally nuts, eh? And you know they aren't undetectable? How would you know that????


    ridiculous
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    Dec 22, 2015 3:01 AM GMT
    timmm55 said"Guys are liars and guys with HIV are literally nuts! especially the ones I've met in my life--and they aren't undetectable!"

    -2000000000000000

    Really, literally nuts, eh? And you know they aren't undetectable? How would you know that????


    ridiculous


    It doesnt matter whether they were or weren't, he had no way of knowing for sure, so he just couldnt take their word for it. Better be safe than sorry. Deal with it.
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    Dec 22, 2015 3:09 AM GMT
    David666K said
    timmm55 said"Guys are liars and guys with HIV are literally nuts! especially the ones I've met in my life--and they aren't undetectable!"

    -2000000000000000

    Really, literally nuts, eh? And you know they aren't undetectable? How would you know that????


    ridiculous


    It doesnt matter whether they were or weren't, he had no way of knowing for sure, so he just couldnt take their word for it. Better be safe than sorry. Deal with it.


    No that's not my issue. He somehow thinks he can tell if pos or uvl. And ALL pos people are nuts. He seems to have a screw loose. Nothing wrong with being safe, so there's no "deal with it" it's his prerogative.
  • LostSailor

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    Dec 23, 2015 6:14 PM GMT
    Dunno if the forum is familiar with Larry Kramer.
    I've met him quite a few times in my 40 years of living in NYC.
    I happen to REALLY like him as a person. I know lots don't.
    Anywho...
    he's changed his mind PrEP...he was against it at first..
    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/12/larry-kramer-has-changed-his-mind-about-prep/
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    Dec 23, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    The last of the old guard activist hold outs is Michael Weinstein of the AHF.

    While I applaud his early work in the 80s he is dangerous now. He's very much like our Art Deco. Once at the forefront of AIDS prevention, he is now mired in stigmatizing ads, caustic blame (PrEP is a "party drug"), deliberate lies and blatant slut shaming.

    Ironically he does understand TasP (Treatment as Prevention) as a means to prevent HIV. He doesn't understand PrEP as prevention.....before it enters the body.

    If you are against PrEP, read this:http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2015/12/22/71387

    "As a corollary argument Weinstein insists that those who use PrEP won’t use condoms, which will lead to an increase in other STIs. And that too might be true. But it raises the natural question: if we find a true vaccine or a cure for HIV, will Weinstein oppose that measure as well because it would mean less condom usage? Will he insist that some continued HIV infection is a small price to pay for preventing increased gonorrhea?

    That may be less rhetorical of a question than one might imagine. Weinstein has actually penned an op-ed to the LA Times calling on the federal government to cease funding for the search for a vaccine for HIV. Framed as a complaint against the wasting of funds that could otherwise be used (by AHF, I presume) to pay for treatment, it still is a chilling idea that the head of a prominent HIV/AIDS care organization opposes the search for a vaccine which could end the pandemic."