Largely-Catholic Slovenia Obeys Pope's Plea To Repeal Same-Sex Marriage Law

  • metta

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    Dec 21, 2015 1:04 AM GMT
    Largely-Catholic Slovenia Obeys Pope's Plea To Repeal Same-Sex Marriage Law


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_pope_s_plea_to_ban_same_sex_marriage_convinces_catholics_in_slovenia
  • tazzari

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    Dec 21, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
    That really surprises me; I have lived in Slovenia, worked with their ski team, and still have good friends there. No one care, no one goes to church; in fact most of them are pretty anti-clerical.

    One of the problems in Slovenia is that the Old hard-line communists are still in positions of power; I suspect this may be something along those lines.

    Anyway, it's a beautiful, friendly country, well worth a visit if you can!
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    Dec 21, 2015 2:00 AM GMT
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Slovenia
    ...Since the referendum is regarding a human rights issue, it can be contested after the final result is announced.
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    Dec 21, 2015 5:35 AM GMT
    Today, in most of the Islamic world, homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9] In others, such as Somalia and Malaysia, it is illegal.[10] Same-sex sexual activity is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia, as well as Northern Cyprus).

    Not a single one allows same-sex marriage.
  • bro4bro

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    Dec 22, 2015 1:51 AM GMT
    Having visited Slovenia, I'm surprised too. The people I met there were very progressive and very friendly. When Yugoslavia broke up, they made a conscious choice to align themselves with Western Europe rather than Eastern Europe.

    To me this is an example of why civil rights issues should never be decided by majority vote. While there are a few pleasant surprises (like Ireland), by and large the majority will never grant more rights to the minority. Would straight blacks and whites be allowed to marry if it was put to a vote in Alabama?
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    Dec 22, 2015 2:27 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidToday, in most of the Islamic world, homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9] In others, such as Somalia and Malaysia, it is illegal.[10] Same-sex sexual activity is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia, as well as Northern Cyprus).

    Not a single one allows same-sex marriage.


    Let's be concerned about gays be executed and imprisoned before gay marriage.
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    Dec 22, 2015 2:45 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    UndercoverMan saidToday, in most of the Islamic world, homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9] In others, such as Somalia and Malaysia, it is illegal.[10] Same-sex sexual activity is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia, as well as Northern Cyprus).

    Not a single one allows same-sex marriage.


    Let's be concerned about gays be executed and imprisoned before gay marriage.


    Agreed but mettabot's post was about a religious leader and his influence on gay marriage in a particular Catholic country. I just wanted to highlight Islam's influence in Muslim countries. For every "atrocity" he can blame on Christianity I can find ten attributed to Islam.
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    Dec 22, 2015 1:05 PM GMT
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    tazzari saidThat really surprises me; I have lived in Slovenia, worked with their ski team, and still have good friends there. No one care, no one goes to church; in fact most of them are pretty anti-clerical.

    One of the problems in Slovenia is that the Old hard-line communists are still in positions of power; I suspect this may be something along those lines.

    Anyway, it's a beautiful, friendly country, well worth a visit if you can!

    Agreed. Though I am not sure why the Godless communists, now operating under a different name and holding just a handful seats in the legislature, would ally with the Pope or exert much clout in this free market NATO and EU member country.
    There is going to be a major political fallout from this legislative action hopefully. It is none of my business though. It is up to the people of Slovenia to decide what direction their country will follow.
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    UndercoverMan saidToday, in most of the Islamic world, homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9] In others, such as Somalia and Malaysia, it is illegal.[10] Same-sex sexual activity is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia, as well as Northern Cyprus).

    Not a single one allows same-sex marriage.

    You do realize that Slovenia is a secular country, with Muslims comprising 2.4% of the population, right?


    You misunderstand the intent of my post so I'll spell it out for you. Metta likes to post stories about how Christians persecute and work against gay rights and Muslims but NEVER posts anything about atrocities committed by Islam. So for every anti Christian metta post I post something negative about Islam which he never does.

    So if Slovenia is so secular how was the pope able to sway the vote? The article and metta are just on a smear campaign.
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    Oh please. One out of hundreds critical of Christians. You're so transparent it's almost laughable.

    Also, that article wasn't critical but just a statement of ISIL's intent.

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  • HottJoe

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    Dec 22, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    The pope is a misogynistic homophobe. I'm not sure why people think he's so forward thinking. They're just duped by his sheep's clothing.

    @undercoverman. I definitely think ISIS seems scarier to gay men in the west, but to this day, gays are still persecuted by Christians in many places around the globe, and your responses seem to obfuscate that horrific fact.icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    Agreed. Though I am not sure why the Godless communists, now operating under a different name and holding just a handful seats in the legislature, would ally with the Pope or exert much clout in this free market NATO and EU member country.

    Possibly for the same reason American politicians parade their "christianity" around: power.

    My guess is that this will be changed before too long. At least the people I know in the north of Slovenia are some of the kindest and most hospitable people I know. I was out to the athletes and the Head Coach when I worked for their ski team. Though the Head Coach did ask me to be discrete because of the old-time hard-liners still running the sports federation.
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    ^ And you're here for what? Represent the mentally challenged?
  • jjguy05

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    Dec 23, 2015 1:03 AM GMT
    bro4bro saidWhen Yugoslavia broke up, they made a conscious choice to align themselves with Western Europe rather than Eastern Europe.


    This makes absolutely no sense.

    Europe isn't divided anymore. The Warsaw Pact (communist bloc) no longer exists as of 25 years ago. There is no "Western Europe" and "Eastern Europe" to "align with" anymore. It's [almost] all EU now from the Atlantic up to the Russia-Belarus-Ukraine border.

    metta saidLargely-Catholic Slovenia Obeys Pope's Plea To Repeal Same-Sex Marriage Law


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_pope_s_plea_to_ban_same_sex_marriage_convinces_catholics_in_slovenia


    It's not so much Catholicism. It's "Eastern Europe" (the former-communist countries) in general that are more conservative on this issue. Some of the very first countries to legalize same-sex marriage, such as Belgium and Spain, are majority/historically Catholic.

    Generally speaking, public opinion in the former-communist countries/Eastern Europe is conservative on this matter, with the exception of the Czech Republic. Northwestern Europe is liberal, and Southern Europe is mixed/moderate (by European standards). Slovenia is more liberal by Eastern European standards, probably more 50-50 like the Southern European countries. So, putting such an issue to a referendum could have gone either way.

    The Pope doesn't have the influence over ordinary Catholics that non-Catholics tend to think. In the 1990s, John Paul II visited Mexico and praised Mexicans for "having big families". Mexico's birth rate has plummeted since then, and is now the same as the US's. Mexico's population will peak in a decade or two, and start shrinking.
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    pouncer saidNah. But perhaps were I a middle-aged Southerner ranting and raving about Muslims online in a pair of underpants...


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    Dec 24, 2015 10:42 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    pouncer said
    UndercoverMan saidToday, in most of the Islamic world, homosexuality is not socially or legally accepted. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty.[5][6][7][8][9] In others, such as Somalia and Malaysia, it is illegal.[10] Same-sex sexual activity is legal in 20 Muslim-majority nations (Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia, as well as Northern Cyprus).

    Not a single one allows same-sex marriage.

    You do realize that Slovenia is a secular country, with Muslims comprising 2.4% of the population, right?


    You misunderstand the intent of my post so I'll spell it out for you. Metta likes to post stories about how Christians persecute and work against gay rights and Muslims but NEVER posts anything about atrocities committed by Islam. So for every anti Christian metta post I post something negative about Islam which he never does.

    So if Slovenia is so secular how was the pope able to sway the vote? The article and metta are just on a smear campaign.


    It's like a lot of lapsed r.c. members. When it comes to church of Rome, they rush to embrace it.

    "You can take the boy out of the r.c. church, but you can't take the r.c. church out of the boy."
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    Dec 24, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
    ^ and you can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think.
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    HottJoe saidThe pope is a misogynistic homophobe. I'm not sure why people think he's so forward thinking. They're just duped by his sheep's clothing.

    @undercoverman. I definitely think ISIS seems scarier to gay men in the west, but to this day, gays are still persecuted by Christians in many places around the globe, and your responses seem to obfuscate that horrific fact.icon_confused.gif


    But just as people argue that ISIS doesn't represent Islam it must be recognized that what some christians do doesn't represent Christianity. You can't excuse one and not the other. Even if you can prove the pope directly influenced the vote in Slovenia it pales in comparison to executing gay men by stoning them, hurling them off buildings, and burning them alive. If one can't admit that it just proves what an ideologue he is.
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    HottJoe saidThe pope is a misogynistic homophobe. I'm not sure why people think he's so forward thinking. They're just duped by his sheep's clothing.

    @undercoverman. I definitely think ISIS seems scarier to gay men in the west, but to this day, gays are still persecuted by Christians in many places around the globe, and your responses seem to obfuscate that horrific fact.icon_confused.gif
    He is very progressive when compared to the primitive minded nazi nimrod before him.
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    Dec 28, 2015 3:30 PM GMT
    Actually the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries. The problem is that staunch dictators are allowed to make decisions without any regard to human rights and use religion as a weapon for mass destruction of alternative forces.
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    ricky1987 saidActually the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries. The problem is that staunch dictators are allowed to make decisions without any regard to human rights and use religion as a weapon for mass destruction of alternative forces.


    You need to substantiate your claim that "the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries " How do you define worse?
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    ricky1987 saidActually the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries. The problem is that staunch dictators are allowed to make decisions without any regard to human rights and use religion as a weapon for mass destruction of alternative forces.


    You need to substantiate your claim that "the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries " How do you define worse?


    There are many ways to define worse, one way is to see the (lack of) legal right and criminal charges (including death penalty) against people of homosexual orientation.
  • Kazachok

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    Dec 31, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    This may get messy. Controversial, but a minority's rights cannot be subject to popular vote, even if 99.99% are opposed... hopefully their courts or the European Court of Human Rights will remedy this.
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    UndercoverMan said
    ricky1987 saidActually the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries. The problem is that staunch dictators are allowed to make decisions without any regard to human rights and use religion as a weapon for mass destruction of alternative forces.


    You need to substantiate your claim that "the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries " How do you define worse?


    There are many ways to define worse, one way is to see the (lack of) legal right and criminal charges (including death penalty) against people of homosexual orientation.


    I noticed you made no attempt to substantiate your unsubstantiated claim that "the problem in many Christian African countries is as worse as many Muslim countries."