LA Times: Polls May Underestimate Support for Donald Trump, Study Finds.

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    Dec 21, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
    Donald Trump leads the GOP presidential field in polls of Republican voters nationally and in most early-voting states, but some surveys may actually be understating his support, a new study suggests.

    .....shown him doing better among self-identified independents who lean Republican than among regular GOP voters....

    .....many college-educated Republicans may hesitate to admit their attraction to Trump, the experiment indicates....

    "It’s our sense that a lot of polls are under-reporting Trump’s overall support," Dropp said.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-polls-20151221-story.html
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    Dec 21, 2015 10:29 PM GMT
    Republicans are college educated?icon_confused.gif
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    HottJoe saidRepublicans are college educated?icon_confused.gif


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    Dec 22, 2015 1:14 AM GMT
    people will deny supporting Trump in the polls, then vote for him in droves

    people are tired of the same, tired political crap we've seen for nearly 50 years

    the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it
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    tj85016 saidpeople will deny supporting Trump in the polls, then vote for him in droves

    people are tired of the same, tired political crap we've seen for nearly 50 years

    the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it


    So Gerry Ford was the only decent one?
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    Dec 22, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
    unless the republicans can pull someone out of the wood work its Trump and he will be formidable contender and if elected very bad for the nation.
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    tj85016 saidpeople will deny supporting Trump in the polls, then vote for him in droves

    people are tired of the same, tired political crap we've seen for nearly 50 years

    the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it


    Exactly! This recent Obama budget has to borrow money for completely unnecessary things....written in by a gaggle of pressure groups and special interests.

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    Dec 22, 2015 3:11 AM GMT
    pellaz saidunless the republicans can pull someone out of the wood work its Trump and he will be formidable contender and if elected very bad for the nation.
    He will be far better for the nation than the hapless Hillary hoe. I would much rather have Trump for President than any of these career politicians and lawyers.
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    Dec 22, 2015 3:14 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidRepublicans are college educated?icon_confused.gif
    Go back to your bong hits Joe, this is 75 miles over your head.icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:11 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 saidpeople will deny supporting Trump in the polls, then vote for him in droves

    people are tired of the same, tired political crap we've seen for nearly 50 years

    the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it


    So Gerry Ford was the only decent one?


    Gerald Ford wasn't elected, he was just a nice, "safe" idiot they could stick in there for a bit

    then he bought a $10 million house in Vail lol - go figure
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:21 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 saidpeople will deny supporting Trump in the polls, then vote for him in droves

    people are tired of the same, tired political crap we've seen for nearly 50 years

    the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it


    So Gerry Ford was the only decent one?


    Gerald Ford wasn't elected, he was just a nice, "safe" idiot they could stick in there for a bit

    then he bought a $10 million house in Vail lol - go figure


    "the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it"

    You listed the most recent presidents participating in "the same lying, sell-out bullshit" and didn't include Gerry Ford. You said nothing about 'elected' that I can see.

    I'm sure Gerald Ford appreciates your leaving out of that list and posthumously thanks you.

    "idiot"

    And given that you've never uttered a compliment or kind words for anyone ever, I'm not all that surprised you'd also come up with something for Ford
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    tj85016 said
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 saidpeople will deny supporting Trump in the polls, then vote for him in droves

    people are tired of the same, tired political crap we've seen for nearly 50 years

    the same lying, sell-out bullshit from LBJ, Nixon, Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Carter - people are sick of it


    So Gerry Ford was the only decent one?


    Gerald Ford wasn't elected, he was just a nice, "safe" idiot they could stick in there for a bit

    then he bought a $10 million house in Vail lol - go figure


    "The 11,629-square-foot home he built with his wife, Betty, has seven bedrooms, a home theater, a game room and a private massage room in its main building. A separate ski-in, ski-out building houses the president’s private lap pool. It recently sold for $6.65 million."

    Ford bought the lot and built the house. Very unlikely that he had $10 million in it
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:36 AM GMT
    Fords sold the house for

    "02/28/2007 Sold $6,650,000". That was at the top of the market for the previous cycle

    Ford passed in 2006 at age 93. The house was built in the 80s. No way he had $10,000,000 in it.
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:46 AM GMT
    ^^

    And what did Ford do other than placate a nation after the shame of Nixon (and Agnew)? Nothing, nothing at all. Then he lost to Jimmy Carter lol

    as far as Presidents go, he was a bookend
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    tj85016 said^^

    And what did Ford do other than placate a nation after the shame of Nixon (and Agnew)? Nothing, nothing at all. Then he lost to Jimmy Carter lol

    as far as Presidents go, he was a bookend


    "placate a nation after the shame of Nixon"

    That's something

    In addition to:

    1. Cutting inflation by more than half.

    The inflation rate was going up at 12.2 percent a year when President Ford took office.
    The inflation rate was down to 4.6 percent for the first half of 1976.
    2. Nearly 4 million people have found jobs since the bottom of the recession.

    At the recession low in March, 1975, a total of 84.1 million persons had jobs.
    In July, 1976, employment had risen to a historic high of 87.9 million, an increase of 3.8 million from the March 1975 low.
    3. Unemployment has decreased.

    Unemployment reached a high rate of 8.9 percent in May, 1975.
    In July, 1976, the unemployment rate was down to 7.8 percent, and the President's economic advisors believe that it will fall below 7 percent before year's end.
    4. Key economic indicators are going up steadily.

    During the past year:

    Housing starts have risen by 38 percent.
    The Gross National Product has gone up about 10 percent.
    Real per capita disposable income has gone up by nearly 5 percent.
    5. Farmers are doing well.

    Net farm income reached $26 billion this year, a record high.
    Farm exports also are at a record high of $22 billion.
    6. Growth of crime has been cut by over 75 percent.

    Crime was increasing at a rate of 18 percent a year when President Ford took office.
    The rate of increase went down to 9 percent last year.
    The growth rate was cut to 4 percent in the first quarter of this year.
    7. Dangerous downward trends in defense spending have been reversed.

    Congress cut proposed defense budgets by almost $50 billion in the 10 years before President Ford took office.
    President Ford reversed that trend this year, persuading Congress to vote a major increase in defense spending.
    8. Alliances with the Atlantic Community and Japan have never been stronger.

    When President Ford took office, there was great turmoil and uncertainty in the world over the constancy of American will and leadership.
    Now the industrialized democracies are carrying forward a program of cooperation in economics, energy, East-West diplomacy, anti-terrorism, arms control and in relations with developing nations.
    9. For the first time in over a decade, the U.S. is at peace abroad.

    The Nation was still deeply embroiled in Southeast Asia and tensions were high in the Middle East when President Ford took office.
    Today, Mr. Ford is the first President since Dwight Eisenhower who can run for election to the Nation's highest office without a single American fighting overseas.
    10. The Nation is at peace with itself.

    The U.S. was rocked by scandal and inner doubts about its leaders and institutions when President Ford took office.
    Today the strain of scandal has been erased from the White House, doubts have been replaced by growing trust and confidence, and the mood of the country has brightened perceptibly.


    http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/document/factbook/factbook.asp
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    Dec 24, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 said^^

    And what did Ford do other than placate a nation after the shame of Nixon (and Agnew)? Nothing, nothing at all. Then he lost to Jimmy Carter lol

    as far as Presidents go, he was a bookend


    "placate a nation after the shame of Nixon"

    That's something

    In addition to:

    1. Cutting inflation by more than half.

    The inflation rate was going up at 12.2 percent a year when President Ford took office.
    The inflation rate was down to 4.6 percent for the first half of 1976.
    2. Nearly 4 million people have found jobs since the bottom of the recession.

    At the recession low in March, 1975, a total of 84.1 million persons had jobs.
    In July, 1976, employment had risen to a historic high of 87.9 million, an increase of 3.8 million from the March 1975 low.
    3. Unemployment has decreased.

    Unemployment reached a high rate of 8.9 percent in May, 1975.
    In July, 1976, the unemployment rate was down to 7.8 percent, and the President's economic advisors believe that it will fall below 7 percent before year's end.
    4. Key economic indicators are going up steadily.

    During the past year:

    Housing starts have risen by 38 percent.
    The Gross National Product has gone up about 10 percent.
    Real per capita disposable income has gone up by nearly 5 percent.
    5. Farmers are doing well.

    Net farm income reached $26 billion this year, a record high.
    Farm exports also are at a record high of $22 billion.
    6. Growth of crime has been cut by over 75 percent.

    Crime was increasing at a rate of 18 percent a year when President Ford took office.
    The rate of increase went down to 9 percent last year.
    The growth rate was cut to 4 percent in the first quarter of this year.
    7. Dangerous downward trends in defense spending have been reversed.

    Congress cut proposed defense budgets by almost $50 billion in the 10 years before President Ford took office.
    President Ford reversed that trend this year, persuading Congress to vote a major increase in defense spending.
    8. Alliances with the Atlantic Community and Japan have never been stronger.

    When President Ford took office, there was great turmoil and uncertainty in the world over the constancy of American will and leadership.
    Now the industrialized democracies are carrying forward a program of cooperation in economics, energy, East-West diplomacy, anti-terrorism, arms control and in relations with developing nations.
    9. For the first time in over a decade, the U.S. is at peace abroad.

    The Nation was still deeply embroiled in Southeast Asia and tensions were high in the Middle East when President Ford took office.
    Today, Mr. Ford is the first President since Dwight Eisenhower who can run for election to the Nation's highest office without a single American fighting overseas.
    10. The Nation is at peace with itself.

    The U.S. was rocked by scandal and inner doubts about its leaders and institutions when President Ford took office.
    Today the strain of scandal has been erased from the White House, doubts have been replaced by growing trust and confidence, and the mood of the country has brightened perceptibly.


    http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/document/factbook/factbook.asp
    The 70s were far from being rosy. Most of our older northern cities were in very serious trouble with New York City facing bankruptcy and Cleveland going bankrupt. Detroit, Gary, and Newark would begin their rapid downhill slide. My home city of Buffalo was suffering severe budget shortfalls through most of the 70s. Detroit was pinning its hopes on a huge steel and glass fortress called Renaissance Center. The 70s also marked the beginning of the decline of the older first ring suburbs as residents and business moved further out into the rapidly growing outer ring suburbs with their promises of lower taxes, bigger home lots, wider roads, little crime, and better schools.
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    Dec 24, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    The thing about Trump's candidacy, and watching him in the debates, is that it seems like at any moment someone has to say, and live from New York it's Saturday Night. Only a gullible halfwit would actually believe his joke ideas are serious policies. And poor Jeb Bush. He must feel like his party was highjacked by fourth graders. Sadly, scarily, I could see Roadbikerob or Socalfitness believing Mexico will pay for this mythical wall, but if those two represent a large swath of the voting public then something's in the water, or maybe it's lead poisoning, because this many people can't naturally be this stupid. I truly have to hold out hope that the rest of the conservaposse, like CJAZ, SB or FIF aren't gullible enough to actually take Trump seriously. I suspect they're toeing the party line, because the alternative is that they're simply unintelligent. I think they'll smile and nod and support the GOP no matter who gets the nomination, but they'll inwardly have to wince, because their party is a national embarrassment.
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    People are just sick of the political bullshit that happens in DC. Dumb/stupid, educated, rich or poor...they Don't want a BUSH or a CLINTON!.
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    HottJoe saidThe thing about Trump's candidacy, and watching him in the debates, is that it seems like at any moment someone has to say, and live from New York it's Saturday Night. Only a gullible halfwit would actually believe his joke ideas are serious policies. And poor Jeb Bush. He must feel like his party was highjacked by fourth graders. Sadly, scarily, I could see Roadbikerob or Socalfitness believing Mexico will pay for this mythical wall, but if those two represent a large swath of the voting public then something's in the water, or maybe it's lead poisoning, because this many people can't naturally be this stupid. I truly have to hold out hope that the rest of the conservaposse, like CJAZ, SB or FIF aren't gullible enough to actually take Trump seriously. I suspect they're toeing the party line, because the alternative is that they're simply unintelligent. I think they'll smile and nod and support the GOP no matter who gets the nomination, but they'll inwardly have to wince, because their party is a national embarrassment.


    If anybody is a Gullible Halfwit, it's Obama for saying "ISIS is contained" 24 hours before Paris terrorist attacks. And plenty of Joke Ideas from democratic candidates, with no plans to fund any of them.

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    Dec 24, 2015 7:46 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI truly have to hold out hope that the rest of the conservaposse, like CJAZ, SB or FIF aren't gullible enough to actually take Trump seriously. I suspect they're toeing the party line, because the alternative is that they're simply unintelligent. I think they'll smile and nod and support the GOP no matter who gets the nomination, but they'll inwardly have to wince, because their party is a national embarrassment.


    Trump is the only candidate running on the GOP side that I find even remotely intriguing and, YES, I take him VERY seriously. I have a feeling Hillary does too. He's been leading the polls practically since he announced, and that lead has been steadily building. Who knows what this means. We are kind of in unchartered territory here. The early primaries will be interesting to say the least.
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    Dec 24, 2015 3:13 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidI truly have to hold out hope that the rest of the conservaposse, like CJAZ, SB or FIF aren't gullible enough to actually take Trump seriously. I suspect they're toeing the party line, because the alternative is that they're simply unintelligent. I think they'll smile and nod and support the GOP no matter who gets the nomination, but they'll inwardly have to wince, because their party is a national embarrassment.


    Trump is the only candidate running on the GOP side that I find even remotely intriguing and, YES, I take him VERY seriously. I have a feeling Hillary does too. He's been leading the polls practically since he announced, and that lead has been steadily building. Who knows what this means. We are kind of in unchartered territory here. The early primaries will be interesting to say the least.

    I read your description of his rally. The only thing you took seriously was his theatrical entrance. You said his speech just covered his usual rhetoric, which means he offered no serious policies.

    Trump's empty rhetoric just makes the US unsafe. Most urban white males under thirty are rapidly losing their patriotism because they don't feel safe, comfortable, or morally justified associating themselves with a white supremacist party.

    He's fracturing the country and making the GOP seem like a dangerous fringe group that leaves our country isolated and despised in the global village.

    You might think that's great, if you're a racist, but that would make you an appalling fool most people wouldn't want to associate with, and put a target on all our backs.
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    Dec 24, 2015 9:43 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe saidI truly have to hold out hope that the rest of the conservaposse, like CJAZ, SB or FIF aren't gullible enough to actually take Trump seriously. I suspect they're toeing the party line, because the alternative is that they're simply unintelligent. I think they'll smile and nod and support the GOP no matter who gets the nomination, but they'll inwardly have to wince, because their party is a national embarrassment.


    Trump is the only candidate running on the GOP side that I find even remotely intriguing and, YES, I take him VERY seriously. I have a feeling Hillary does too. He's been leading the polls practically since he announced, and that lead has been steadily building. Who knows what this means. We are kind of in unchartered territory here. The early primaries will be interesting to say the least.

    I read your description of his rally. The only thing you took seriously was his theatrical entrance. You said his speech just covered his usual rhetoric, which means he offered no serious policies.

    Trump's empty rhetoric just makes the US unsafe. Most urban white males under thirty are rapidly losing their patriotism because they don't feel safe, comfortable, or morally justified associating themselves with a white supremacist party.

    He's fracturing the country and making the GOP seem like a dangerous fringe group that leaves our country isolated and despised in the global village.

    You might think that's great, if you're a racist, but that would make you an appalling fool most people wouldn't want to associate with, and put a target on all our backs.
    Most urban males are blind sycophants for the corrupt incompetent Democratic Party, the same organization that ruined most older northern US cities with their longtime monolithic rule of pandering to corrupt organized labor, organized crime, and the unmotivated urban poor. Yet these same urbanites keep voting for the corrupt, incompetent democratic donkey dorks and it is more of the same in troubled cities like Chicago, Gary, Flint, Detroit, and Baltimore. Go figure.
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    Dec 25, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidYou said his speech just covered his usual rhetoric, which means he offered no serious policies.


    I've listened to many of the candidates speeches and I'm not hearing a whole lot of "serious policies" from any of them in their speeches. You want to know Trump's policies read "Crippled America" or go to his web site, as there are plenty of them. What I saw at the rally was a very smart and astute speaker who knows what to say and when to say it to please the crowd. I call this smart campaigning. Clearly, whatever Trump is doing seems to be resonating.

    Trump's empty rhetoric just makes the US unsafe. Most urban white males under thirty are rapidly losing their patriotism because they don't feel safe, comfortable, or morally justified associating themselves with a white supremacist party


    I'm pretty confident that YOU are no expert as to what "Most Urban White Males" are thinking. They can't all be fit in a tidy little box like you would have us believe. As for Trump's rhetoric making the US "unsafe". That's a liberal talking point that is not necessarily true. The world is an increasingly unsafe place with or without Trump.

    He's fracturing the country and making the GOP seem like a dangerous fringe group that leaves our country isolated and despised in the global village.


    Again, I don't agree. I think Trump as President would actually ring in a whole new era of positive diplomacy through true statesmanship with other leaders around the world. If Trump's response to Putin's complement to him was any indication of his statesmanship, I think it would be a step in the right direction. There's a reason "The Art of the Deal" was a bestseller.

    You might think that's great, if you're a racist, but that would make you an appalling fool most people wouldn't want to associate with, and put a target on all our backs.


    More hysterics from someone who couldn't think outside of the box if their life depended on it. I don't see Trump as a racist, but rather a realist who sees the world as it is, NOT as people wish it were. The world is a rapidly changing place, getting more dangerous by the day, and the U.S. needs smart and strong leadership. I'm not altogether convinced Trump is the answer, but I am not convinced he's not either. None of the other choices are any more convincing. For this reason alone, I am keeping an open mind.
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    Dec 29, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
    ^ah CJAZ, I've missed your forked tongued responses. They're so entertaining.

    I still refuse to believe that you're falling for the hype; rather, you're obfuscating the hype in the hopes that people will be fooled into drinking the Kool-Aid. Clever!
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    Dec 30, 2015 10:24 PM GMT
    HottJoe said^ah CJAZ, I've missed your forked tongued responses. They're so entertaining.

    I still refuse to believe that you're falling for the hype; rather, you're obfuscating the hype in the hopes that people will be fooled into drinking the Kool-Aid. Clever!



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