Few random photos of "helpless" refugees

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    Dec 22, 2015 5:37 PM GMT
    A few photos of Syrian refugees. Lots of able-bodied young men. ISIS anyone?

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    Dec 22, 2015 6:03 PM GMT
    I've been saying this since this "crisis" began.

    Able bodied men of fighting age should only be given safe haven if they are drafted into the host country's military and they are trained as part of a UN sanctioned fighting force dedicated to the defeat of ISIS and the liberation of Syria. If they desert, they and their families (women, children and elderly) are shipped back to wherever they came from.
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:15 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI've been saying this since this "crisis" began.

    Able bodied men of fighting age should only be given safe haven if they are drafted into the host county's military and they are trained as part of a UN sanctioned fighting force dedicated to the defeat of ISIS and the liberation of Syria. If they desert, they and their families (women, children and elderly) are shipped back to wherever they came from.

    Good points.

    The left wants basically open access because 1) They hope the Muslims, especially those unhappy as in France and the UK, will become part of the Democratic Party voting block, and 2) They view Muslims as partners in their quest to rid society of Judeo-Christian influence.

    Interesting how the left media is going crazy over this issue. They demonize Trump for saying what most people believe and then cower from the backlash. The NY Times has lost so much influence that they talk about GOP voters not caring about the facts - as if the left willingly ignores the Obama and Hillary lies and foreign policy disasters.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 22, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    I am sure there are alot of needy refugees. However Obama has caused them more pain in this situation.

    Not only did his administration exacerbate the conditions in Syria. It is always seems to be lecturing the American people while simultaneously unable to keep us safe from Terrorists.

    So you can blame the political ill will towards them squarely on the President.
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    Yeah cause real refugees have to look like Mother Teresa or Little Orphan Annie.
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    Crowds of men holding hands? Happy pride!!!icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 22, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    musclmed saidI am sure there are alot of needy refugees. However Obama has caused them more pain in this situation.

    Not only did his administration exacerbate the conditions in Syria. It is always seems to be lecturing the American people while simultaneously unable to keep us safe from Terrorists.

    So you can blame the political ill will towards them squarely on the President.

    Also good points. It has been widely reported that in ISIS-controlled areas the Christians are the most heavily persecuted, yet they are significantly under-represented proportionally in the refugee flow.
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    Dec 22, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    UndercoverMan saidI've been saying this since this "crisis" began.

    Able bodied men of fighting age should only be given safe haven if they are drafted into the host county's military and they are trained as part of a UN sanctioned fighting force dedicated to the defeat of ISIS and the liberation of Syria. If they desert, they and their families (women, children and elderly) are shipped back to wherever they came from.

    Good points.

    The left wants basically open access because 1) They hope the Muslims, especially those unhappy as in France and the UK, will become part of the Democratic Party voting block, and 2) They view Muslims as partners in their quest to rid society of Judeo-Christian influence.

    Interesting how the left media is going crazy over this issue. They demonize Trump for saying what most people believe and then cower from the backlash. The NY Times has lost so much influence that they talk about GOP voters not caring about the facts - as if the left willingly ignores the Obama and Hillary lies and foreign policy disasters.


    I don't see what this supposedly monolithic, supposedly anti Judeo Christian Left has to worry about. I see no evidence of the Jewish or the Christian tradition in Donald Trump or your post.
  • wild_sky360

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    Dec 22, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
    The refugee crisis will, perhaps by design, result in a pendulum swing to the far right and a much harsher anti Muslim backlash than would otherwise be tolerated by the public.

    Remember the Crusade that George W. called for after 9/11 and then immediately retreated from? It wasn't a misstatement. It was just a decade premature. He couldn't master the teleprompter....or the ad lib but he did know the plan, and the day has finally come.

    The West is racing toward a war on a couple billion people and this time those pesky voters are screaming for it.

  • MarcelP

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    Dec 22, 2015 11:31 PM GMT
    Well said, WildSky, while others are swiftly jumping to conclusions about able-bodied Syrian refugees being ISIS members or supporters.

    Many of these men are no doubt middle class people with the means to escape the madness brought down on their country by Assad's brutality/stupidity.

    How sad to see them demonized by pampered, ignorant First World gays.
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    Dec 22, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
    If you're right, wild_sky360, just remember, once they've finished with the Muslims, they'll be coming for the gays. The only reason the Right are laying off their usual gay bashing at the moment is because they've found a more convenient target. And, of course, gay Republicans are cock-a-hoop about the new GOP number one hate target for that very reason - it ain't them.
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    Dec 22, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    MarcelP saidWell said, WildSky, while others are swiftly jumping to conclusions about able-bodied Syrian refugees being ISIS members or supporters.

    Many of these men are no doubt middle class people with the means to escape the madness brought down on their country by Assad's brutality/stupidity.

    How sad to see them demonized by pampered, ignorant First World gays.

    You clearly missed the point. The thread did not demonize them but made these points:
    1) Those who want to open borders to masses that cannot be vetted claim the refugees are mostly helpless.
    3) Able bodied young men might be enlisted or persuaded to become part of a force for positive change in Syria instead of leaving.
    3) ISIS, which previously stated an intent to use the refuge crisis to their advantage, could easily include terrorists in the refugee population.
  • MarcelP

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    Dec 22, 2015 11:56 PM GMT

    You clearly missed the point. The thread did not demonize them but made these points:
    1) Those who want to open borders to masses that cannot be vetted claim the refugees are mostly helpless.
    3) Able bodied young men might be enlisted or persuaded to become part of a force for positive change in Syria instead of leaving.
    3) ISIS, which previously stated an intent to use the refuge crisis to their advantage, could easily include terrorists in the refugee population.[/quote]

    I appreciate the clarification, but I still don't agree:

    1) The Syrian refugees being brought into the US are vetted much more closely than any other immigrants, including those with student visas.

    2) Are you aware of the carnage and devastation in Syria? How does anyone promote "positive change" in the midst of a bloody civil war?

    3) ISIS is benefiting from the spectacle of Syrian Muslim refugees being turned away by more affluent nations.

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    Dec 23, 2015 12:04 AM GMT
    Socalfitness said
    You clearly missed the point. The thread did not demonize them but made these points:
    1) Those who want to open borders to masses that cannot be vetted claim the refugees are mostly helpless.
    3) Able bodied young men might be enlisted or persuaded to become part of a force for positive change in Syria instead of leaving.
    3) ISIS, which previously stated an intent to use the refuge crisis to their advantage, could easily include terrorists in the refugee population.

    MarcelP said
    I appreciate the clarification, but I still don't agree:

    1) The Syrian refugees being brought into the US are vetted much more closely than any other immigrants, including those with student visas.

    2) Are you aware of the carnage and devastation in Syria? How does anyone promote "positive change" in the midst of a bloody civil war?

    3) ISIS is benefiting from the spectacle of Syrian Muslim refugees being turned away by more affluent nations.

    Of course you're entitled to your opinion.

    1) No one is saying the vetting in the past was sufficient, but today we have a new threat. All major intel heads have stated we cannot vett Syrian refugees because we have no data on them.

    2) The positive change would have to be organized as an international effort. Not the fault of the Syrians that it hasn't, but still should be done.

    3) Seems everyone who doesn't like us taking positions to protect ourselves say that's what ISIS wants or uses to recruit. I don't think our policy should be based on what we think they want, but I would guess that what they really want is an easy way to get terrorists into the country and have those here not observed.
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    Dec 23, 2015 12:23 AM GMT
    MarcelP said
    I appreciate the clarification, but I still don't agree:

    1) The Syrian refugees being brought into the US are vetted much more closely than any other immigrants, including those with student visas.



    I'm sure it will be just peachy...


  • wild_sky360

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    Dec 23, 2015 1:37 AM GMT
    I agree with all of you guys that are uncomfortable with the situation from a security standpoint. ISIS has stated they are riding the wave of refugees.

    Socalfitness OP about the age / sex demo of the refugees doesn't anger me so much as frighten. No doubt many are infiltrators.

    More to MarcelP 's benefit of the doubt, I'd guess this demo is also the most fearful for being forced into the chaos.

    I worked with a young, formerly middle class man from Afghanistan just prior to 9/11. He was wracked with guilt for leaving instead of fighting but even from my limited understanding at that time I could tell it was a senseless meatgrinder for any man or boy of fighting age. For who would he have been forced to fight, and to what end? I persuaded...or tried to, that his life was much more important than any symbolic contribution he might have been able to make as a pawn amid forces beyond anyone's control. He should treasure the opportunity he was given. That poor nation was thrown into chaos for imperial reasons, just like in Syria.

    Ex_Mil8 I agree but as a non partisan I have to point out that the democrat frontrunner is just as hawkish in general and specifically on Syria as any republican except Rand Paul.
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    Dec 23, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
    Lord help us! This Visa Waiver debate referenced a few posts back, reminds me of Ms. South Carolina back in 2007...


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    Dec 23, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    Well dressed, well equipped and ready to kill.

    They hate Americans and can't wait to shoot a bullet through your head (p.s GAY or Straight). They also pray to a God who only teaches love yet they are deceived. Blind leads the Blind.....here and I want no part of it!!

    They need to go home and fight there!!
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    Dec 23, 2015 1:52 AM GMT
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    These are the happiest looking refugees I've ever seen.

    They certainly don't look like they've lost their homes or families, or fearing for their lives in any way. And the spiffy clean clothes and well trimmed facial hair...look like typical Generation Z you'd see on a college campus or hip urban metropolis.
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    Dec 23, 2015 7:32 AM GMT
    MarcelP said
    You clearly missed the point. The thread did not demonize them but made these points:
    1) Those who want to open borders to masses that cannot be vetted claim the refugees are mostly helpless.
    3) Able bodied young men might be enlisted or persuaded to become part of a force for positive change in Syria instead of leaving.
    3) ISIS, which previously stated an intent to use the refuge crisis to their advantage, could easily include terrorists in the refugee population.


    I appreciate the clarification, but I still don't agree:

    1) The Syrian refugees being brought into the US are vetted much more closely than any other immigrants, including those with student visas.

    2) Are you aware of the carnage and devastation in Syria? How does anyone promote "positive change" in the midst of a bloody civil war?

    3) ISIS is benefiting from the spectacle of Syrian Muslim refugees being turned away by more affluent nations.

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    Liberal naïveté.

    How do you vett undocumented people? One time Terrorists that blow themselves up don't leave much of a paper trail.

    Civil war where Obama in typical liberal contrarianism aided ISIS in order to facilitate regime change: Making things much,much worse. And now "who are we fighting for", and why?

    Yes, benefiting by manipulating liberals to create a spectacle. Welcome to the 21st century where liberals are deluded by romantic fantasies when overpopulation is the harsh global backstory. There are 600,000 homeless in the USA and immigration is throwing fuel on the fire.

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    Dec 23, 2015 9:28 AM GMT
    @Alpha13 What you are telling is truth.. but society is no more interested in knowing truth. Also main stream media is hugely rigged that manipulates public. Regarding your point on obama/liberalism, It is more of open secret. Everyone knows, but living in denial on that icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 23, 2015 9:55 AM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    ...{O]verpopulation is the harsh [keystone] global backstory...[which affects EVERY issue on the planet as the fundamental root cause].
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    Dec 23, 2015 10:42 AM GMT
    wild_sky360 said
    Ex_Mil8 I agree but as a non partisan I have to point out that the democrat frontrunner is just as hawkish in general and specifically on Syria as any republican except Rand Paul.


    What's "hawkish" got to do with it? She isn't trying to scaremonger her way to the presidency like the GOP front-runners are doing. Contrast the Dem debate the other night with the GOP debates: The intelligence of GOP discourse never really rises above trailer trash level.

    Fortunately, there are enough Americans with the intelligence not to buy the Trump snake oil.

    50 per cent of voters say they are "embarrassed" by Mr Trump as he makes vulgar attack on Hillary Clinton
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12065534/Donald-Trump-accused-of-sexism-over-schlonged-comment.html
  • Relajado

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    Dec 23, 2015 1:11 PM GMT
    There is no Democratic Party outside U.S...

    Also when security services say that refugees aten't anything to qorry about, it's time to put your right wing wverythig is scary!!! Pmg, The Other!! Fears aside.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 23, 2015 2:05 PM GMT
    MarcelP said


    3) ISIS is benefiting from the spectacle of Syrian Muslim refugees being turned away by more affluent nations.



    THERE IS no evidence. And in fact it is akin to a Benghazi style lie that ISIS is making this complex moral argument.

    Only people who dont pay attention would believe this.

    So the ISIS propaganda says, "the US wont even take people running away from be-headings"


    ISIS comes from such a ideological bizzaroland . People fleeing ISIS are killed and tortured....

    What I see more is the left making arguments for ISIS. Maybe pay attention to the President , who in fact is responsible for alot of the suffering in Syria.