Reagan would be appalled by today's Republican party

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    Dec 23, 2015 12:15 AM GMT
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    http://www.newsweek.com/ronald-reagan-daughter-interview-appalled-408319
    Ronald Reagan would be "appalled" by the current slate of Republican presidential candidates, and, if he were to enter politics today, the GOP would reject him, according to the deceased former president’s daughter.

    “My father would be so appalled at what's going on, and he would be so appalled at probably all of these candidates," Davis said. "I don't think he would be a Republican.

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    Dec 23, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    Doubt it...







  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 23, 2015 11:49 AM GMT
    It is the early 80s pandering to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs by Reagan that helped lead to a coup like takeover of the GOP by these flaky fundamentalists. Reagan got the ball rolling on this revolting development that has turned the GOP into a glorified theocracy.:icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 23, 2015 1:06 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIt is the early 80s pandering to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs by Reagan that helped lead to a coup like takeover of the GOP by these flaky fundamentalists. Reagan got the ball rolling on this revolting development that has turned the GOP into a glorified theocracy.:icon_mad.gif


    How does that explain the Reagan Democrats?

    Reagan might be appalled by today's GOP, but he'd be even more appalled by today's Democratic party, as would Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
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    Dec 23, 2015 1:18 PM GMT
    Democrats are doing great today. Republicans are the mess so...
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    Dec 23, 2015 1:23 PM GMT
    A silly post linking to a shallow article. For those who actually follow and remember the news, it's no surprise that Reagan's liberal, estranged daughter would disparage the GOP, if not her father, at every opportunity, just as she did while he was alive. No news here, just more gratuitous GOP-bashing, which explains its presence in Newsweak.
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    Dec 23, 2015 1:49 PM GMT
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    Indeed, despite his avuncular personality and his emphasis on the old GOP staple - "family values", Reagan wasn't particularly close to any of his four children.
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    Dec 23, 2015 2:10 PM GMT
    Thanks for reminding me why Newsweek failed as a liberal publication. Few of its stories were actual news.
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    JackNNJ said
    roadbikeRob saidIt is the early 80s pandering to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs by Reagan that helped lead to a coup like takeover of the GOP by these flaky fundamentalists. Reagan got the ball rolling on this revolting development that has turned the GOP into a glorified theocracy.:icon_mad.gif


    How does that explain the Reagan Democrats?

    Reagan might be appalled by today's GOP, but he'd be even more appalled by today's Democratic party, as would Daniel Patrick Moynihan.


    How does that explain the Trump Democrats? The Electrical and Construction worker unions in my area are backing Trump instead of Hillary.
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    Dec 23, 2015 2:48 PM GMT
    nobody can say what a person who died years ago would feel or think, its stupid.
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 23, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
    I see very little difference between Trump and Reagan. And that's frightening!
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    Dec 23, 2015 4:31 PM GMT
    Relajado saidDemocrats are doing great today. Republicans are the mess so...


    and JFK would not be welcome in today's Dem party as he would be too conservative. There ya go.


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    Dec 23, 2015 6:01 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI see very little difference between Trump and Reagan. And that's frightening!


    Reagan, Obama, Trump do share one trait. They handle the media with great dexterity... and this electorate is not one of deep contemplation

    Hillary's grip on the media?.. not so good.

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    Dec 23, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
    Really? I think he would fit right in to the freak show.
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    Dec 23, 2015 9:15 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidReally? I think he would fit right in to the freak show.


    Actually no.. I kind of agree, he would be shocked as to how far things have warped out of hand with the right. I have no doubt he would have denounced "Donald" as the main act of the "freak show", however...hahaicon_lol.gif
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    Dec 23, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
    Based on Reagan's policy positions back in the 1980's, his daughter is correct.
    The policy positions advocated by Reagan back then were much less extreme than the policy positions advocated by the Repubs today.

    Thanks to Fox "News" and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine - the Repubs live in an alternate reality bubble of pro-Repub bs, and they've lost touch with the moderate majority of Americans.

    Also, the GOP of the 1980's had an aura of coolness about it, which allowed the party to attract support from younger voters.

    Now, the Repub party is a party of old people and old failed ideas that repels younger voters.

    The Repub party needs to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt for it to avoid a very bleak future.
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    Dec 23, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
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    mindgarden saidReally? I think he would fit right in to the freak show.


    Actually no.. I kind of agree, he would be shocked as to how far things have warped out of hand with the right. I have no doubt he would have denounced "Donald" as the main act of the "freak show", however...hahaicon_lol.gif


    I could agree with both of that because while maybe not as freaky as these freaks, he certainly had his own little show going.

    Though I tend to think he'd have been one of the guys who would have "evolved on the issues". His inaction during the initial AIDS crisis is what lost me. Up until then I don't recall being adamantly against him nor his party. Not that I wasn't already liberal, but that was a turning point for me in how I viewed "them".

    The_Polaris saidBased on Reagan's policy positions back in the 1980's, his daughter is correct.
    The policy positions advocated by Reagan back then were much less extreme than the policy positions advocated by the Repubs today.

    Thanks to Fox "News" and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine - the Repubs live in an alternate reality bubble of pro-Repub bs, and they've lost touch with the moderate majority of Americans.

    Also, the GOP of the 1980's had an aura of coolness about it, which allowed the party to attract support from younger voters.

    Now, the Repub party is a party of old people and old failed ideas that repels younger voters.

    The Repub party needs to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt for it to avoid a very bleak future.


    Yeah, that's pretty much how I remember it too. In fact, when I first registered I did so as an independent while I studied the differences and then I really selected one because I wanted to participate in voting in primaries. Back then, I had even considered joining the Air Force and I did meet with a recruiter at Embry-Riddle to see if I could train as a pilot. I think I've always been liberal hearted and then as I learned more the issues I also became liberal minded.

    He was not the worst of the GOP. I don't believe we've seen that yet.
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    Dec 23, 2015 11:04 PM GMT
    And to think the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower and Reagan has come to this. They must be spinning in their graves.

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    I can't see Nancy staying silent if Trump looks like being nominated either.

    Nancy Reagan: “I Want Hillary to Win”
    http://nationalreport.net/nancy-reagan-want-hillary-win/


  • HottJoe

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    Dec 23, 2015 11:25 PM GMT
    One thing that's been grating on my nerves is that people are saying that Trump represents the US. He's an embarrassment to the US and so are his fringe supporters. The majority of people in the US see him as a clown.
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    Dec 23, 2015 11:28 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidAnd to think the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower and Reagan has come to this. They must be spinning in their graves.

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    I can't see Nancy staying silent if Trump looks like being nominated either.

    Nancy Reagan: “I Want Hillary to Win”
    http://nationalreport.net/nancy-reagan-want-hillary-win/


    I don't know if you'd go back as far as Lincoln (who might have a thing or two to say about some of the fucked up racial comments on RJ) because the parties switched roles by the 1930s (plus a shift in voter patterns with southern Dems in the 1960s).

    And as to 1st lady of the GOP, as her daughter explains, she's 94 and might like some peace.

    PS That is probably the best pictures so far of this campaign.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 24, 2015 1:12 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidOne thing that's been grating on my nerves is that people are saying that Trump represents the US. He's an embarrassment to the US and so are his fringe supporters. The majority of people in the US see him as a clown.
    Reallyicon_question.gif than how come a steadily increasing number of Americans in all age groups are flocking to himicon_question.gif Just because he is a clown in your eyes doesn't give you any justification to speak for most Americans. Go back to your bong hits Joe because you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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    JackNNJ said
    roadbikeRob saidIt is the early 80s pandering to all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs by Reagan that helped lead to a coup like takeover of the GOP by these flaky fundamentalists. Reagan got the ball rolling on this revolting development that has turned the GOP into a glorified theocracy.:icon_mad.gif


    How does that explain the Reagan Democrats?

    Reagan might be appalled by today's GOP, but he'd be even more appalled by today's Democratic party, as would Daniel Patrick Moynihan.


    How does that explain the Trump Democrats? The Electrical and Construction worker unions in my area are backing Trump instead of Hillary.





    Trump Democrats? The white people counted as non-degreed that are his majority backers?

    First, we must explain the Reagan (social conservative) Democrat (fiscally liberal) (now known as the tea party)


    A Reagan Democrat is a traditionally Democratic voter in the United States, especially a white working-class Northerner, who defected from their party to support Republican President Ronald Reagan in either or both the 1980 and 1984 elections.

    The term Reagan Democrat is sometimes used to describe moderate Democrats who are more conservative than liberal on certain issues like national security and immigration. The term Reagan Democrat also refers to the vast sway that Reagan held over the House of Representatives during his presidency, even though the house had a Democratic majority during both of his terms.[2] The term also hearkens back to Richard Nixon's Silent Majority; a concept that Ronald Reagan himself used during his political campaigns in the 1970s.

    The work of Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg is a classic study of Reagan Democrats. Greenberg analyzed white ethnic voters (largely unionized auto workers) in Macomb County, Michigan, just north of Detroit. The county voted 63 percent for John F. Kennedy in 1960, but 66 percent for Reagan in 1980. He concluded that "Reagan Democrats" no longer saw the Democratic party as champions of their working class aspirations, but instead saw them as working primarily for the benefit of others: the very poor, feminists, the unemployed, African Americans, Latinos, and other groups. In addition, Reagan Democrats enjoyed gains during the period of economic prosperity that coincided with the Reagan administration following the "malaise" of the Carter administration. They also supported Reagan's strong stance on national security and opposed the 1980s Democratic Party on such issues as pornography, crime, and high taxes

    Reagan coalition
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    The Reagan coalition was the combination of voters that Republican Ronald Reagan assembled to produce a major political realignment with his landslide in the 1980 United States Presidential Election. In 1980 the Reagan coalition was possible because of Democrat Jimmy Carter's losses in most social-economic groups. In 1984 Reagan confirmed his support by winning nearly 60% of the popular vote and carried 49 of the 50 states. The Reagan Democrats were Democrats before the Reagan years, and afterwards, but who voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984 (and for George H. W. Bush in 198icon_cool.gif, producing their landslide victories. They were mostly white, socially conservative blue-collar workers, who lived in the Northeast, and were attracted to Reagan's social conservatism on issues such as abortion, and to his hawkish foreign policy. They did not continue to vote Republican in 1992 or 1996, so the term fell into disuse except as a reference to the 1980s. The term is not generally used to describe the southern whites who permanently changed party affiliation from Democrat to Republican during the Reagan administration, and they have largely remained Republican to this day.
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    Dec 24, 2015 6:40 AM GMT
    Ashdod saidnobody can say what a person who died years ago would feel or think, its stupid.


    Though their views are frozen in time, historians can get a general idea of what a figure would think of certain present conditions by analyzing their writings, especially those expressing personal viewpoints, as well as their policies and political actions as leaders.

    For instance, take Thomas Jefferson. Letters between him and James Monroe and Tench Coxe reveal how he may view the massive debts the US owes other nations, how aspects of foreign trade has shifted from being mutually beneficial to dependency, or even the influence of corporate personhood has on the economy and local/national political processes. Jefferson likely would have been against the first two considering he has expressed in letters and speeches how the nation should be self-sufficient so no foreign power can subvert the government's duty to operate for the good of the people, but he probably would be confused as fuck about the third. Corporations existed in his time, but they weren't in-effect immortal "persons" with the rights but not obligations of a citizen. So there'd be more back and forth about that one.

    Bias can affect interpretation, but also popularity. Information challenging popular opinion is typically met with resistance. Ronald Reagan's image was, and still is, furiously protected. It is difficult to political analysts and historians to write anything damaging about him without receiving backlash. However, there are primary source documents, videos, recordings, etc. that show there were demographics Reagan did not like, and policies he wanted to continue after his presidency and others he was against. We're not far removed from his presidency, which means there's a lot that can be drawn upon.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Dec 24, 2015 7:16 AM GMT
    I doubt that. Have you ever read 'And the band played on'? Ronald Reagan ordered the CDC not to alert the public that there was a disease killing gay men. He is the number 1 reason HIV spread so quickly!