Can You Be Fit But Fat?

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    Dec 23, 2015 4:53 AM GMT
    NYT: Normal weight men, no matter what their level of fitness, were at lower risk of premature death than obese men in the highest one-quarter for fitness.

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/can-you-be-fat-but-fit/?ref=health
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    Dec 23, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    A cool thought, and thanks for posting the link, but I was kind of disappointed. Aerobic fitness was measured once in adolescence and then never again, apparently, and "overweight" results were closer to "normal" weight results than they were to "obese" results, so the results seem somewhat tautological: people fat enough to die of obesity-related causes were statistically more likely to die of obesity-related causes.

    This might not be a very tasteful place to post this, but I just ran across an old picture I took at the university back when I was a GTA:

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    Dec 23, 2015 12:25 PM GMT
    There's a difference between looking fit and being fit.

    In track class we had this thing called the pace test. Basically, you began running to other side of the room once you hear a beep and must reach that side before the next beep. There were plenty of guys with six packs and lean frames who got eliminated at level 70. I really had no definition and had plenty of flab and I made it to level 112. The remaining two guys who made it to 132 and kept going was a tall skinny guy and dude with an average build.

    That's why I'm no longer impressed by a nice body. Looks great on display but can you perform?
  • monstapex

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    Dec 23, 2015 12:31 PM GMT
    This guy is FAT AND FIT---Kevin Owens of the WWE

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  • BloodFlame

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    Dec 23, 2015 12:55 PM GMT
    I personally think you can. I think there's a difference between a fat person who is active and one who is not. I think that an active fat person can be just as healthy as someone who is skinny. It's all about staying active in some way so your body doesn't shut down earlier when you age.
  • joxguy

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    Dec 23, 2015 6:59 PM GMT
    Just check out many professional baseball players. Many pitchers and other players are heavy but are actually fit.
  • stratavos

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    Dec 23, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
    you can be fit, but not have visible abs. I hope that helps answer the question.
  • Triggerman

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    Dec 23, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
    Of course. Fitness and bodyfat are two completely different things. It's like saying can you be fit and blonde. Sometimes a higher bodyfat helps. Dianna Nyad swam from Cuba to America and she is at least 30+ bodyfat. Fat is like a coat. It is stored energy, nothing more nothing less. Under that coat may be an amazingly fit person. Now, are most fat people fit? Probably not. They are fat because they don't exercise enough to counter their caloric intake. So, we assume that fat equals not fit. That has more to do with the human nature of categorizing what we see. And, generally, it is fairly accurate. But, some people that are what most would assume are fat are actually holding the right amount of potential energy for what they do. You will never see a bodybuilder run a marathon, 6% bodyfat does not work for that. Marathon swimmers are not as lean as a Michael Phelps, they would never last.

    Looking fit can be misleading. Fit for what?
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    Dec 23, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
    Woodsman,

    This subject is huge for me. You can tell from my pics and the fact that I self describe as "beefy" that my main motivation for excercise is weight control, rather than body building.

    There are a lot of men who are overweight but strong: consider a football or Rugby player, or many blue collar construction worker types. Also some of us have pretty good aerobic conditioning / cardio health (I do 30-45 minutes 3 or 4 times most weeks) but still have a weight problem, particularly if you are on anti-inflamitory medications which tend to make you balloon up.

    I would say that being overweight is unhealthy, but don't assume an overweight man is out of shape.

    Just my two cents,
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    Dec 23, 2015 10:56 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidOf course. Fitness and bodyfat are two completely different things. It's like saying can you be fit and blonde. Sometimes a higher bodyfat helps. Dianna Nyad swam from Cuba to America and she is at least 30+ bodyfat. Fat is like a coat. It is stored energy, nothing more nothing less. Under that coat may be an amazingly fit person. Now, are most fat people fit? Probably not. They are fat because they don't exercise enough to counter their caloric intake. So, we assume that fat equals not fit. That has more to do with the human nature of categorizing what we see. And, generally, it is fairly accurate. But, some people that are what most would assume are fat are actually holding the right amount of potential energy for what they do. You will never see a bodybuilder run a marathon, 6% bodyfat does not work for that. Marathon swimmers are not as lean as a Michael Phelps, they would never last.

    Looking fit can be misleading. Fit for what?

    Online profile pic?
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    Dec 24, 2015 12:08 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidLooking fit can be misleading. Fit for what?


    Fit for butsecks, what else?
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    Dec 24, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    LOL!
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    Dec 24, 2015 2:15 AM GMT
    All that fat/blubber/lard gives a man a TON of energy and even strength. Eventually, it will cause many problems. Just like my Dad, who now uses a walker to get around.
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    Dec 24, 2015 3:10 AM GMT
    bachian said
    Triggerman saidLooking fit can be misleading. Fit for what?


    Fit for butsecks, what else?


    That and surviving the zombie apocalypse.
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    Dec 24, 2015 9:41 AM GMT
    (Most) Sumo wrestlers are very fit.

  • badbug

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    Dec 24, 2015 3:46 PM GMT

    Google Roy Nelson.

    He's an MMA fighter who looks like a slob, he's more fit than anyone on this site or who has ever been on this site.


    It's not healthy though. Fat fucks with hormones regardless of your cardiovascular health.

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    Dec 24, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
    There's a theory that big, fat Polynesians were the most fit to survive periodic famines on isolated islands.






    There's also a theory that they ate all the thin guys icon_eek.gif
  • Triggerman

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    Dec 24, 2015 10:42 PM GMT
    about 10-15 percent bf myself. I think the pictures show that but I will post others.
  • Triggerman

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    Dec 24, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    any people took what I said and started their posts of with it. I hit a nerve or at least people read posts
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    Dec 24, 2015 10:45 PM GMT
    My English is not so good. I was born in California.
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    Dec 24, 2015 11:23 PM GMT
    I'm 55. I'm 5'5". I'm 190#. Down from my 230 of yesteryear, but, I'd submit I'm even more of a stud than I was before, because I have more bases covered. I'm in my 42'nd year of lifting. I do redline cardio at least twice a week. I rank in the top 1% in fitness. I had 3 CABG in 2013. A heterogeneous program for wellness is what I do (But, not for living. For a living I design process and infrastructure, and, enforce that process).

    Fitness can be indicated by a number of factors. Statistically, and this is by no means a reach, four things come into play in terms of length and quality of life.

    1. Genetics. Some folks live to be 115, never exercising, smoking, and drinking, but never stressing out. Scientists have isolated a number of genes (this is REAL science) in various worm and mouse species that turn the aging process on and off. Famed actor / director Ron Howard most recently did an extensive documentary about this. Genes matter in terms of length, and quality of life. Talk with my cardiologist.

    2. Outlook. You must giggle every day. Period. You must now worry, nor awfulize.

    3. Exercise. Exercise promotes the same chemicals as giggling, markedly improved vitals, much better wellness, physical ability, cognition, and sleep patterns. Exercise makes a huge difference. PERIOD. It is a must have for EVERYONE.

    4. Nutrition. If you eat right, it's nearly impossible to be fat. PERIOD. You don't get to be a 400 pound lard ass without stuffing yourself daily. It's mental illness that needs treating; not acceptance; nor enablement. Fat folks are sick. PERIOD.

    Note that the highest incidence of sudden death is among marathon runners. An example of those who damage their cardiovascular system with too MUCH exercise.

    To address the question at hand: You can be fitter without being fat. Can you be optimal and a lard ass? Of course, not. Why? Extra tissue lying around doing nothing but lugging you down, and causing you to have higher vitals. Think of fat as a parasite. It rarely give back, and only with a struggle. Sure, you need fat; especially polys and monos, but, being obese is a fool's errand.
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    Dec 24, 2015 11:40 PM GMT
    monstapex saidThis guy is FAT AND FIT---Kevin Owens of the WWE

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    I would submit this guy doesn't fit the obese category. I can see veins in his arms.

    I consider fat as being obese.

    The guy here is smooth, but, I wouldn't call him fat. I doubt he is above 18%, if that.

    By looking at his arms, and looking at his gut, I'd venture a guess he eats too big a meals at once, that are high in sugar and saturated fat. Think the poison of fast food.

    The guy has an insulin management issue, almost certainly.