Not Rocket Science - But if You Want to Live, Wear a Seat Belt Even While a Passenger in an Uber Car or Taxi

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    Dec 28, 2015 4:35 AM GMT
    You may remember that Bob Simon (CBS) was killed while riding in a New York taxi without a seat belt. Uber passenger just killed in San Francisco - no seat belt - Uber driver unscathed (wearing seat belt).

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Two-dead-in-wrongway-crash-on-Hwy-1-in-Pacifica-6721005.php
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    Dec 28, 2015 2:48 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidYou may remember that Bob Simon (CBS) was killed while riding in a New York taxi without a seat belt. Uber passenger just killed in San Francisco - no seat belt - Uber driver unscathed (wearing seat belt).

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Two-dead-in-wrongway-crash-on-Hwy-1-in-Pacifica-6721005.php


    Princess Diana and her boyfriend were also killed because they didn't wear seat belts.

    Former NJ Governor Corzine was severely injured because he didn't wear a seat belt in a State Police vehicle.

    Obama has blocked a federal mandate of seat belts in school buses because many school buses are made in his home state of Illinois by IC Bus who doesn't want the expense of having to include seat belts. Obama has also given a large tank contract and federal grants to IC Bus under his presidency. In return, IC Bus has unionized its workforce. Its called crony capitalism.

    Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, or other forms of federal interventionism.

    In the event of a terrorist attack, Obama requires a disaster plan to protect rabbits used by majicians but kids don't get seat belts.
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    Dec 28, 2015 3:17 PM GMT
    I always wear a seat belt. In my own car or any other I ride in. Have since I started driving in 1965.

    Used to be difficult in the 1960s. My friends would bury the belts, which had been recently introduced in new cars (just the lap style, we didn't have 3-point shoulder belts yet) down between the seat backs & cushions out of sight.

    "Don't pull those out!" they'd yell at me. "I don't wanna see those things!"

    "I'll shove them back out of sight when I get out of the car." There weren't laws yet mandating their use, nor bells and instrument panel alerts if you didn't have the front ones buckled. I still wore mine.

    One time my wife lost control of our minivan when she sneezed and went into an Interstate guardrail at around 65 mph. She, our 5-year-old son, and me were belted. The 1-year-old baby was in a properly secured rear-facing child seat. None of us was seriously hurt, and the baby had no injuries at all. Our 1990 minivan had no airbags.

    But the 3 of us had bruises from the belts, the impact was so great. And the driver's seat back was all bent. Yeah, I wear seat belts in any vehicle I use that has them.

    Some of our friends will have their rear seat belts inaccessible, caught in the fold-down seats of their SUVs. "Don't bother with that," they'll tell me, "We're just going 3 miles."

    Ah, no. I unlatch the seat back and free the belt to use it. Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. I'm gonna live to see another day, and not from a hospital bed. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 28, 2015 5:10 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidMost car accidents happen within a few miles of home.


    Most driving occurs within a few miles of home too. Don't be mislead into thinking that somehow the area around your home is more dangerous.

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    Dec 28, 2015 6:37 PM GMT
    seatbelts work. always wear it.
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    Dec 28, 2015 7:36 PM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    Art_Deco saidMost car accidents happen within a few miles of home.

    Most driving occurs within a few miles of home too. Don't be mislead into thinking that somehow the area around your home is more dangerous

    I'm puzzled. Do you mean MORE dangerous, at least statistically? That was my understanding.
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    Dec 28, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    HikerSkier saidYou may remember that Bob Simon (CBS) was killed while riding in a New York taxi without a seat belt. Uber passenger just killed in San Francisco - no seat belt - Uber driver unscathed (wearing seat belt).

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Two-dead-in-wrongway-crash-on-Hwy-1-in-Pacifica-6721005.php


    Princess Diana and her boyfriend were also killed because they didn't wear seat belts.

    Former NJ Governor Corzine was severely injured because he didn't wear a seat belt in a State Police vehicle.

    Obama has blocked a federal mandate of seat belts in school buses because many school buses are made in his home state of Illinois by IC Bus who doesn't want the expense of having to include seat belts. Obama has also given a large tank contract and federal grants to IC Bus under his presidency. In return, IC Bus has unionized its workforce. Its called crony capitalism.

    Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, or other forms of federal interventionism.

    In the event of a terrorist attack, Obama requires a disaster plan to protect rabbits used by majicians but kids don't get seat belts.


    Where is your proof that the Obama has blocked seat belts for school busses for the reason you stated? It seems more likely that you are simply making assumptions. I certainly hope that you are never on a jury.

    I have read discussions about seat belts on school busses. There are many considerations. Here are some of the considerations, some of which may or may not be reasonable:

    When carrying little kids, they put three kids on each seat whereas when carrying bigger kids, they put two kids on each seat. With seat belts, there would be a limit of two kids on each seat which would reduce the carrying capacity of busses.

    It would be next to impossible to enforce seat belt usage on school busses without having an additional adult on each bus to do so.

    Seat belts, if worn without shoulder straps, could increase facial injuries because it would cause heads to hit the bar on top of the seat in front.

    You can find more arguments with a google search on "school bus seat belts".

    So, there are valid arguments against seat belts on school busses. Whether or not those arguments are conclusive I don't know, but surely it is illogical to state that Obama opposes them for purely political reasons. Your post reads like a screed against Obama rather than an objective analysis.
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    Dec 28, 2015 9:05 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI always wear a seat belt. In my own car or any other I ride in. Have since I started driving in 1965.

    Used to be difficult in the 1960s. My friends would bury the belts, which had been recently introduced in new cars (just the lap style, we didn't have 3-point shoulder belts yet) down between the seat backs & cushions out of sight.

    "Don't pull those out!" they'd yell at me. "I don't wanna see those things!"

    "I'll shove them back out of sight when I get out of the car." There weren't laws yet mandating their use, nor bells and instrument panel alerts if you didn't have the front ones buckled. I still wore mine.

    One time my wife lost control of our minivan when she sneezed and went into an Interstate guardrail at around 65 mph. She, our 5-year-old son, and me were belted. The 1-year-old baby was in a properly secured rear-facing child seat. None of us was seriously hurt, and the baby had no injuries at all. Our 1990 minivan had no airbags.

    But the 3 of us had bruises from the belts, the impact was so great. And the driver's seat back was all bent. Yeah, I wear seat belts in any vehicle I use that has them.

    Some of our friends will have their rear seat belts inaccessible, caught in the fold-down seats of their SUVs. "Don't bother with that," they'll tell me, "We're just going 3 miles."

    Ah, no. I unlatch the seat back and free the belt to use it. Most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. I'm gonna live to see another day, and not from a hospital bed. icon_biggrin.gif


    My father almost ridiculed the use of seat belts. I used to leave the door open so he couldn't drive until after I fastened my seat belts.

    I also remember when some people would hide their seat belts resulting in an argument when I wanted to use them. I also refused to drive until people fastened their seat belts.
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    Dec 28, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    I also remember when some people would hide their seat belts resulting in an argument when I wanted to use them. I also refused to drive until people fastened their seat belts.

    Yes, sir, exactly what I talking about! They'd give me a big argument if I tried to dig the lap belts out for me to use, from between the seat back and cushion, where they'd buried them.

    And when I was driving my own car, I wanted everyone belted. The arguments I would get! Yah know, I have no doubt some slick lawyers would have tried to make a case it hold me financially responsible if there was an accident, my fault or not, if my passengers were injured because they weren't belted. Drive your own car without a seat belt if you want, but don't ride that way in mine.
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    Dec 28, 2015 9:37 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidWhere is your proof that the Obama has blocked seat belts for school busses for the reason you stated? It seems more likely that you are simply making assumptions.

    Even if he did for the reason stated it's hardly anything unique to Democrats; Republicans have been doing the same thing since the very beginning.
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    Dec 28, 2015 10:59 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    FRE0 saidWhere is your proof that the Obama has blocked seat belts for school busses for the reason you stated? It seems more likely that you are simply making assumptions.

    Even if he did for the reason stated it's hardly anything unique to Democrats; Republicans have been doing the same thing since the very beginning.


    ^^^ Quite so ^^^
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    Dec 28, 2015 11:00 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    FRE0 said
    I also remember when some people would hide their seat belts resulting in an argument when I wanted to use them. I also refused to drive until people fastened their seat belts.

    Yes, sir, exactly what I talking about! They'd give me a big argument if I tried to dig the lap belts out for me to use, from between the seat back and cushion, where they'd buried them.

    And when I was driving my own car, I wanted everyone belted. The arguments I would get! Yah know, I have no doubt some slick lawyers would have tried to make a case it hold me financially responsible if there was an accident, my fault or not, if my passengers were injured because they weren't belted. Drive your own car without a seat belt if you want, but don't ride that way in mine.


    Sometimes I'd tell passengers that if they did not fasten their seat belts, in an accident they could be thrown into me.

    It was also difficult to get passengers to refrain from smoking in my car. Fortunately that is no longer an issue.
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    Dec 29, 2015 2:50 PM GMT
    Now at the end of Obama's term when he has no more elections and a bus maker that he visited has unionized, received Federals grants and a huge tank contract, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) calls for seat belts in all school buses:

    "School buses should have seat belts. Period. It should be utterly uncontroversial."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-every-child-should-have-a-seat-belt-on-the-school-bus_564101a8e4b0307f2cae815a


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    Dec 29, 2015 3:04 PM GMT
    i refuse to get all dramatical on seat belts. bet they work as expected tho.
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    Dec 30, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    FRE0 said<
    Sometimes I'd tell passengers that if they did not fasten their seat belts, in an accident they could be thrown into me.

    It was also difficult to get passengers to refrain from smoking in my car. Fortunately that is no longer an issue.




    Both of these should be easy to solve. "get out and walk then" simple.
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    Dec 30, 2015 4:06 AM GMT
    Humus on a Ritz cracker
    why won't you people let the stupid die already?
    I blame the Nanny state for over population.
    Next you'll take my motorcycle away...