Sikhs in US facing hate crime attacks do to being mistaken as Muslim

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    Dec 29, 2015 5:10 PM GMT
    This is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news
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    Dec 29, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
    I come from a Sikh family and I have seen even in a country like Canada people cannot tell the difference.

    Beard+turban+brown skin = terrorist for many people.
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    Dec 29, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    I have more respect for Sikhism than Islam/Christianity/Judaism. There are obvious differences between the two religions.

    The turban is one. It is obvious to me the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim.
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    Dec 29, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
    1AlanZSky saidI have more respect for Sikhism than Islam/Christianity/Judaism. There are obvious differences between the two religions.

    The turban is one. It is obvious to me the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim.


    Sikhs and Muslims does have a lot of similarities too even more so with Muslims from South Asia particularly Pakistan.
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    Dec 29, 2015 11:34 PM GMT
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    1AlanZSky saidI have more respect for Sikhism than Islam/Christianity/Judaism. There are obvious differences between the two religions.

    The turban is one. It is obvious to me the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim.


    Sikhs and Muslims does have a lot of similarities too even more so with Muslims from South Asia particularly Pakistan.


    But Sikhism and Islam is not the same obviously.
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    ricky1987 said
    1AlanZSky saidI have more respect for Sikhism than Islam/Christianity/Judaism. There are obvious differences between the two religions.

    The turban is one. It is obvious to me the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim.


    Sikhs and Muslims does have a lot of similarities too even more so with Muslims from South Asia particularly Pakistan.


    But Sikhism and Islam is not the same obviously.


    You are right.
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    Jan 04, 2016 4:19 AM GMT
    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.
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    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.
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    Jan 04, 2016 7:47 AM GMT
    ricky1987 saidI come from a Sikh family and I have seen even in a country like Canada people cannot tell the difference.

    Beard+turban+brown skin = terrorist for many people.


    and, seriously, why should the Canadians care? for your own well-being? get over it
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    Jan 04, 2016 8:45 AM GMT
    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    I both share your concern and appreciate the post, but do remember that the RJ forums have no collective conscience and that they are never successfully called to account.

    In many ways the RJ forums are like resistance training for the soul, a chance to exercise the discipline necessary to be surrounded by poison without internalizing it. Focus on encouraging those who try to rise above it, or derail the odd flamewar when the opportunity presents itself, but don't fall for the trap of thinking that you can change whatever toxic groupthink you find here with any truth to the contrary, however poignant or paramount it may seem.

    I'd be glad to be proven wrong in this, but I hate seeing people end up discouraged and frustrated at the backlash when they try. I'm sure you'll do fine (you usually do AFAICT), but in case it needed to be said (and for anyone else running into the same), don't let it get the best of you.
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    Jan 04, 2016 11:51 AM GMT
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    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    So you're saying no one can point out and discuss the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and the "prophet" because they're painting all of Islam with a broad brush and some uneducated idiot might bully or even kill a Sikh? Why is the problem with those wanting to discuss Islam and it's atrocities and not with the uneducated idiot?
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    ricky1987 saidI come from a Sikh family and I have seen even in a country like Canada people cannot tell the difference.

    Beard+turban+brown skin = terrorist for many people.


    and, seriously, why should the Canadians care? for your own well-being? get over it


    First of all, many Sikhs are Canadian too.

    Secondly, it is not about care but one's right to dignity amidst ignorance.
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    Jan 04, 2016 4:16 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    MrFuscle said
    musclmed said
    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    So you're saying no one can point out and discuss the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and the "prophet" because they're painting all of Islam with a broad brush and some uneducated idiot might bully or even kill a Sikh? Why is the problem with those wanting to discuss Islam and it's atrocities and not with the uneducated idiot?


    I think many comments made by Trump, others in the media, and by some on these forums, go beyond simple "discussion". I have heard many people who think we should stop letting any Muslims into this country, and some who think we should take it further and deport those already here. This in spite of the fact that millions of Muslims have been living here peacefully for years.
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    UndercoverMan said
    MrFuscle said
    musclmed said
    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    So you're saying no one can point out and discuss the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and the "prophet" because they're painting all of Islam with a broad brush and some uneducated idiot might bully or even kill a Sikh? Why is the problem with those wanting to discuss Islam and it's atrocities and not with the uneducated idiot?


    I think many comments made by Trump, others in the media, and by some on these forums, go beyond simple "discussion". I have heard many people who think we should stop letting any Muslims into this country, and some who think we should take it further and deport those already here. This in spite of the fact that millions of Muslims have been living here peacefully for years.


    excellent point
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    Jan 04, 2016 11:37 PM GMT
    Bonifacius said
    Hypertrophile said
    UndercoverMan said
    MrFuscle said
    musclmed said
    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    So you're saying no one can point out and discuss the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and the "prophet" because they're painting all of Islam with a broad brush and some uneducated idiot might bully or even kill a Sikh? Why is the problem with those wanting to discuss Islam and it's atrocities and not with the uneducated idiot?


    I think many comments made by Trump, others in the media, and by some on these forums, go beyond simple "discussion". I have heard many people who think we should stop letting any Muslims into this country, and some who think we should take it further and deport those already here. This in spite of the fact that millions of Muslims have been living here peacefully for years.


    gee I guess you cannot wait when muslims become a majority in regions or in the whole country and then first thing they will do is torture you and/or kill you, but wait, you will be long dead before that happens and that is why you can spew your nonsense, if you are that stupid, you just can go now to some islamic country and experience all the joys of muslim company, just don't forget to spread your liberal delusions to them and be a proud gay

    idiot


    WTF are you talking about? Do you have that little faith in the Constitution?
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    Jan 05, 2016 12:36 AM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    Hypertrophile said
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    MrFuscle said
    musclmed said
    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    So you're saying no one can point out and discuss the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and the "prophet" because they're painting all of Islam with a broad brush and some uneducated idiot might bully or even kill a Sikh? Why is the problem with those wanting to discuss Islam and it's atrocities and not with the uneducated idiot?


    I think many comments made by Trump, others in the media, and by some on these forums, go beyond simple "discussion". I have heard many people who think we should stop letting any Muslims into this country, and some who think we should take it further and deport those already here. This in spite of the fact that millions of Muslims have been living here peacefully for years.


    excellent point


    Excellent point?! Are you kidding me? What does it say about a group of people who would be willing to kill all because someone wants to suspend a certain group of people from being allowed into this country until we have a better handle on the situation.

    NEWS FLASH! WE DONT OWE ANYONE ENTRANCE TO OUR COUNTRY.

    Don't bother bringing up the native Americans and we all come from immigrant stock because that doesn't fly with me.
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    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    So you're saying no one can point out and discuss the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and the "prophet" because they're painting all of Islam with a broad brush and some uneducated idiot might bully or even kill a Sikh? Why is the problem with those wanting to discuss Islam and it's atrocities and not with the uneducated idiot?


    I think many comments made by Trump, others in the media, and by some on these forums, go beyond simple "discussion". I have heard many people who think we should stop letting any Muslims into this country, and some who think we should take it further and deport those already here. This in spite of the fact that millions of Muslims have been living here peacefully for years.


    excellent point


    Excellent point?! Are you kidding me? What does it say about a group of people who would be willing to kill all because someone wants to suspend a certain group of people from being allowed into this country until we have a better handle on the situation.

    NEWS FLASH! WE DONT OWE ANYONE ENTRANCE TO OUR COUNTRY.

    Don't bother bringing up the native Americans and we all come from immigrant stock because that doesn't fly with me.


    Considering Islam is a religion and not an ethnicity how do you suggest we ensure no Muslim enters the U.S? What do we do with the Muslims that are here? What do we do with the people who will convert to Islam? What do we do if the situation gets worse and we can not get a handle on it? How and when do we decide that we have a handle on the situation? Who gets to decide?
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    Jan 05, 2016 4:04 AM GMT
    MrFuscle said
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    MrFuscle saidThis is what happens when you justify painting with a broad brush. You would think gay men would know this all too well but the forums prove otherwise.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/28/americans-are-still-attacking-sikhs-because-they-think-theyre-muslims/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news


    Seems like your painting with a broad brush. Who in this forum has attacked a sikh.


    If you read the article you would see that Sikhs are being confused with Muslims which is why they are being attacked. There are many in the forums who do not want any more Muslims entering the US and see Islam as a religion of hate. When you paint with such a broad brush, as Donald trump is doing, you will inevitably have idiots who lash out at people who simple look like the people you are calling a threat. Since so many gay people hate being painted with the brush of femininity which doesn't belong to them you would think these same gay men would not condemn all of Islam by considering it a religion of hate when only a small minority of Muslims commit violent crimes in the name of Islam.


    Your making a few assumptions mostly out of your own bias.

    Most here i think know the difference between Islam and Sikh. Your just voicing your opinion which you can, but its baseless.

    Islam has a huge PR problem, and only Islam can fix it. There are numerous polls that span the globe the paint followers of Islam as very violent and ideological. With significan numbers in the millions that would feel suicide bombers as justified. Scary that millions of muslims feel suicide bombers are justified.
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/pg-2014-07-01-islamic-extremism-11/

    I think it very odd that you would defend a religion that in its current form feels justified to throw you off a building for being gay.

    The constitution isnt a suicide pact. Islam is a religion but as a whole may not be compatible with western ideals. True there are individual muslims that are compatible.

    Study the Ottoman empire. Ancestors of mine were actually slaves to the Ottoman turks. First born boys sent to Egypt to be converted to islam an work in slave camps.

    By the way I dont think its practical or wise to limit entry into this country based on religion. Something people can denounce under there breath very easily. Its a stupid idea.
    We can and we do restrict entry based on national origin. Remember the earthquake in haiti? very few received asylum
    and actually there was a state dept campaign for people to "stay".
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    Considering Islam is a religion and not an ethnicity how do you suggest we ensure no Muslim enters the U.S? From a Muslim country? No entry. What do we do with the Muslims that are here? No one said anything about the ones already here. What do we do with the people who will convert to Islam? It's a free society. People can convert. What do we do if the situation gets worse and we can not get a handle on it? Then we wouldn't have made it worse here because he haven't been letting them in. DUH!How and when do we decide that we have a handle on the situation? Thats for the government to decide. Who gets to decide? See previous answer.


    We don't owe ANYONE entry into our country.
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    Considering Islam is a religion and not an ethnicity how do you suggest we ensure no Muslim enters the U.S? From a Muslim country? No entry. What do we do with the Muslims that are here? No one said anything about the ones already here. What do we do with the people who will convert to Islam? It's a free society. People can convert. What do we do if the situation gets worse and we can not get a handle on it? Then we wouldn't have made it worse here because he haven't been letting them in. DUH!How and when do we decide that we have a handle on the situation? Thats for the government to decide. Who gets to decide? See previous answer.


    We don't owe ANYONE entry into our country.


    So your plan is to bar all people from Muslim majority countries not to bar Muslims from entering the U.S. It doesn't even address the issue of Muslims who immigrate to a none Muslim country and come to America. Reading your response has made me feel better. Its obvious that there is no actual political will in America to bar Muslims from this country. A lot of anger but no ability to implement that anger into a coherent strategy that will get the support of the majority of Citizens.