If you are HIV+ you cannot live or work in Dubai.

  • venue35

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    Dec 30, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    I just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.
  • Apparition

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    Dec 30, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
    So dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.
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    Dec 30, 2015 5:09 AM GMT
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    LOL!! Yeah, cuz every muslim 3rd world country looks like this:

    dubai-city-view.jpg
  • venue35

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    Dec 30, 2015 10:40 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    venue35 saidI just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.


    If your friend wasn't expelled because of his race, then what was done was not racist.
    But he was expelled because of his sexuality so yes if you want to be 100% grammatically ok yes it is a decision based on sexuality and in my view it can be seen as racist. Southbeach once again instead of OFFERING your opinion and taking part part in the discussion at hand you just show your superiority. It's the holidays you could be like everybody else here and state your opinion for once..
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  • Fireworkz

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:28 AM GMT
    The word racist is used too lightly these days.

    Firstly you need to understand the mentality of Dubai, and the UAE.
    It is a Kingdom. Westerners and other nationalities are guest not full citizens.

    The UAE is ultraconservative when it comes to sex. Public displays of affection are forbidden regardless of sexuality.
    Homosexuality is not legal although you can do what you want behind closed doors.
    Dubai exists for commerce they do not want to import the social ills and other undesirable parts of the West or any other part of the world.
    Therefore from an UAE point of view it really doesn't surprise me they don't want to risk disease in their country.
    Does it make it right? No but that is how they run their country. Dubai is quite progressive compared to the rest of the Arab world.

    I think this is a lesser issue. Dubai is a gleaming city built on the back of virtual slave labour which everyone turns a blind eye to while they enjoy their tax free dollars and luxury appartments.
    I would boycott it for these reasons.
  • Buddha

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:36 AM GMT
    Well, not too long:

    http://www.hivtravel.org/Default.aspx?PageId=143&CountryId=12

    Dubai is awful. Like fireworkz says, this is a city that has so much money that they feel they can do whatever they want, and they can just pay advertising companies to get the best image-representation.



    VICE, as always, make pretty interesting documenateries. This is about workers of Dubai, their passports are taken away them as a requirement to start working and they're not even getting the money they were promised.
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    Dec 30, 2015 1:44 PM GMT
    I'm not surprised by this. and it's not just Dubai, it's the entire country of the UAE.
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    Dec 30, 2015 4:41 PM GMT
    And beyond the UAE, there are many South Asian workers in neighboring Saudi Arabia.

    Domestic employees are raped by far more than what is reported.

    There was also the report of an Indian employee that got her right arm chopped off by her boss as a punishmenticon_exclaim.gif

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34483504

    I's also suggest to take a look to Almaz's story, it's a comic based on a real story:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29415876
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    Dec 30, 2015 5:16 PM GMT
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    You don't have to leave western democracies. They are busy importing it to places near you.

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    Dec 30, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
    venue35 said
    southbeach1500 said
    venue35 saidI just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.

    If your friend wasn't expelled because of his race, then what was done was not racist.
    But he was expelled because of his sexuality so yes if you want to be 100% grammatically ok yes it is a decision based on sexuality and in my view it can be seen as racist.

    To be racist is to believe a particular race is superior to another. It is 0% grammatically correct to use the term here. However, it is discriminatory and offensive.

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    Dec 30, 2015 10:07 PM GMT
    venue35 saidI just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.


    Whaaaa? Really!? I had no Idea Dubai was like this. I even whatched a travel program and it made it seem people are friendly and not so judgmental. I am really shock that can happen. Altho' I don't think it is racist Unless, your friend can prove because of his race- they use the HIV status as a mean to fire him.
  • venue35

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
    You do not always offer an opinion and i don't have you mixed up with metta that's for sure. Anyway thanks for your inputicon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 31, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    +1

    Western nations have problems, but Americans would never do that.
  • venue35

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:07 AM GMT
    No you didn't come off as hostile at all this thread isn't about me.
    The UAE quote is what i didn't like.
    Saying that they can do whatever they want it's like saying you just don't care.
  • Fireworkz

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:22 AM GMT
    KyMaverick said
    venue35 saidI just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.


    Whaaaa? Really!? I had no Idea Dubai was like this. I even whatched a travel program and it made it seem people are friendly and not so judgmental. I am really shock that can happen. Altho' I don't think it is racist Unless, your friend can prove because of his race- they use the HIV status as a mean to fire him.


    People are very friendly and it's a fun place to visit but the law is the law. And the surface life is different from what it takes to create that life.

    Some of their laws are actually quite interesting such as you can go to jail for not repaying debts. Slander (harming someone's reputation) is a serious offence punishable by jail sentence.
  • conservativej...

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    Dec 31, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    venue35 saidI just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.


    The fact that you cannot be HIV+ and reside in Dubai is nothing new. I have made two trips into the emergency room in Dubai and find medical care there very good. As with most things there you pay for that care out-of-pocket.
  • Apparition

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    Dec 31, 2015 1:36 AM GMT
    Erik101 said
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    LOL!! Yeah, cuz every muslim 3rd world country looks like this:

    dubai-city-view.jpg



    I said money doesnt change that. They create nothing, contribute nothing, depend on the west for EVERYTHING they have (all those pretty buildings are designed where? right, not there) the people are slaves. Third world countries are shallow useless places with absolutely no depth. A little bit of money doesnt change that.

    Think about say world war two. Japan sends hot air balloons over with explosives, and the americans or equivalently the brits, grab the sand bags, match the sand with samples some old guy has in a drawer, and they know where the balloons come from. THAT is the difference between the first world and the third world. It doesnt matter that the current account balance is positive or not, there is DEPTH in the resources the first world has, something that cannot be valued. This is the difference between china and the west too. China may have a large economy, but they contribute nothing and have a whole lot of science, museum work, and depth to catch up with (or more likely steal) before they can ever dream of being first world.

    Ever read that spectacular science fiction novel from the UAE? Right, they are social infants, who cannot even dream of the freedom to actually reach the level of having a society where they can waste time and money on the arts.

    You can have all the synthetic ski slopes in the desert you want (of course designed and engineered by someone in switzerland or germany) but YOU ARE NOT a first world society. Everything they have and want is something they cannot create on their own and never will.
  • jjguy05

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    Dec 31, 2015 5:01 AM GMT
    venue35 saidI just found this out today from someone i met in the summer on holiday. He is lebanese but worked in dubai for a company and he was tested (company rules)and came out hiv+.
    He was fired from the company and told to leave dubai by the authorities. Also treatment is not free in some of these countries. Medication is very expensive and many have left for other european countries.
    I find this very offensive and racist.


    You mean he was expelled from the United Arab Emirates, the country where Dubai (a city) is located.

    Erik101 said
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    LOL!! Yeah, cuz every muslim 3rd world country looks like this:

    dubai-city-view.jpg


    Well a country with extreme wealth side-by-side with abject poverty is indeed very third world. Dubai is a city built on slave labor.

    Dubai is a horrific city that looks like a 1960s American suburban nightmare gone wild, with aspects of Las Vegas and Saudi Arabia thrown into the mix. And they've managed to seduce millions of people from around the world that have never been there, with their "7 star hotels" and images of man-made palm-shaped islands (which have to be viewed from an airplane to be appreciated) which sound great on paper but are total complete fails when you're actually there on the ground. Dubai is all about show with no substance. Their glitzy (if fire-unsafe) skyscrapers look impressive from a distance, but the city is dull as fuck when you're actually standing in it.

    Sam27 saidI really don't like the Gulf Arabians - GCC. They dislike Arabs in the Levant region because they are more westernized, European-like and fight for democratic. According to SSNP (Syrian Social Nationalist Party) the Gulf Arabians used to call them "Syrians-Aramaean" that are including (Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian, Assyrian, Jordanian, and Iraqi).


    Gulf Arabs* look down on everyone. They look down on Levant Arabs, they look down on North Africans, they look down on South Asians, they look down on Westerners. But, in their minds, there's a global hierarchy. Westerners are "above" Levant Arabs. South Asians are at the very bottom. And they put themselves, of course, at the very top. They're "superior" to the rest of the world because of their highly conservative "family values" and because they refuse to do any menial work whatsoever. And they're complete jackasses when they visit Europe.

    I wouldn't call them "Westernized", btw.

    *I hear that Omanis are totally cool, and not like other Gulf Arabs.
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    Dec 31, 2015 5:25 AM GMT
    Erik101 said
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    LOL!! Yeah, cuz every muslim 3rd world country looks like this:

    dubai-city-view.jpg


    The phrase "Third-World Countries" has a limited definition, this is a good one I found, it's a combination of factors, not just wealth as we associate with:

    "Third World" are all the other countries, today often used to roughly describe the developing countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America.
    The term Third World includes as well capitalist (e.g., Venezuela) and communist (e.g., North Korea) countries, as very rich (e.g., Saudi Arabia) and very poor (e.g., Mali) countries.

    Countries of the "Third World"
    Third World Countries classified by various indices: their Political Rights and Civil Liberties, the Gross National Income (GNI) and Poverty of countries, the Human Development of countries (HDI), and the Freedom of Information within a country.
  • mar0302

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    Dec 31, 2015 6:20 AM GMT
    .. the US had a ban on HIV for foreigners since the 1980's until 2010...

    There are lots of countries with bans on long term stays for people with HIV, including places like Australia..

    http://www.hivtravel.org/Default.aspx?PageId=143&Mode=list&StateId=4

    Singapore just lifted its travel ban on HIV+ people this year. I think it's something that's been evolving..
  • jperfit

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    Dec 31, 2015 9:47 AM GMT
    My family is from s. Africa(Johannesburg) but in many parts of my country if you are HIV, they will stone u to death and in Suade Arabia if they even suspect your gay, you are thrown off the tallest building while all watch; u should consider yourselves very fortunate to live in such a free society because it is not like here in other places.
  • venue35

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    Dec 31, 2015 9:47 AM GMT
    Well i don't find that too surprising either..
    I guess berlin is the only place where they welcome you with open arms if you are hiv+
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    Dec 31, 2015 12:37 PM GMT
    Apparition said
    Erik101 said
    Apparition saidSo dont leave western democracies...muslim countries are third world countries for a reason and money doesnt change that.


    LOL!! Yeah, cuz every muslim 3rd world country looks like this:

    dubai-city-view.jpg



    I said money doesnt change that. They create nothing, contribute nothing, depend on the west for EVERYTHING they have (all those pretty buildings are designed where? right, not there) the people are slaves. Third world countries are shallow useless places with absolutely no depth. A little bit of money doesnt change that.

    Think about say world war two. Japan sends hot air balloons over with explosives, and the americans or equivalently the brits, grab the sand bags, match the sand with samples some old guy has in a drawer, and they know where the balloons come from. THAT is the difference between the first world and the third world. It doesnt matter that the current account balance is positive or not, there is DEPTH in the resources the first world has, something that cannot be valued. This is the difference between china and the west too. China may have a large economy, but they contribute nothing and have a whole lot of science, museum work, and depth to catch up with (or more likely steal) before they can ever dream of being first world.

    Ever read that spectacular science fiction novel from the UAE? Right, they are social infants, who cannot even dream of the freedom to actually reach the level of having a society where they can waste time and money on the arts.

    You can have all the synthetic ski slopes in the desert you want (of course designed and engineered by someone in switzerland or germany) but YOU ARE NOT a first world society. Everything they have and want is something they cannot create on their own and never will.


    Actually, I live in a third world country (India) and disagree entirely that there isn't depth to third world countries or that we lack arts, culture or scientific depth to our lives and society or have no made no contributions in the world.

    The difference between the west and east has a lot to with power politics and what gets acknowledged and what does not. The reason USA has made 'contributions' immensely to the world has more to do with its economic and cultural outreach than by any moral superiority of its society.
  • jjguy05

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    Dec 31, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    Sam27 saidjjguy05,

    They like Westerners because we are giving them money for Oil.


    Well, it's not like they don't sell oil to China, Japan, India, and the rest of the world.

    Sam27 said
    They became rich spoiled brats. They like to show off their cool cars and how they live in castle houses. I call them "low-class." I agree, Gulf Arabs look down on everyone... I cant stand them, had a bad experience with them.

    I met some of Kuwaitis, they are cool. Saudis are the main problem.



    Emiratis and Qataris are assholes too.
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    Dec 31, 2015 10:43 PM GMT
    robbaker saidand you want these muslims into this countryicon_rolleyes.gif

    Xenophobe spotted!