Sweden: One Month of Islam and (Muslim) Multiculturalism - and it's not good

  • tj85016

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    Dec 30, 2015 2:50 AM GMT
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7133/sweden-rapes-acquittals-severed-heads
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    Dec 30, 2015 6:45 AM GMT
    This place will no longer be the home of Blond, blue supermodels.

    It's going down!!
  • stratavos

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    Dec 30, 2015 1:52 PM GMT
    *sigh* great... honor killings are up... it's not going to be easy to get it across that that practice is not allowed.
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    Dec 30, 2015 4:54 PM GMT
    Sweden is built upon the "Democratic Socialist" construct "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Swedes fully trust their government to protect their rights and fruits of their labors.

    Some of us here in the US reject that Swedish model. Military and police keep us safe, but we have the 2nd Amendment as a backup. Never give up the right to defend yourself, or allow gov't to manage the fruits of your own productive achievement.
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    Dec 30, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    Another gem from that site:

    On October 6, the radio program P4 Halland reported that an imam in Halmstad called homosexuality a "virus." In a video posted on his mosque's YouTube channel, the imam talked about raising children. He said that parents need to make sure their children have good immune systems, as there are many viruses floating around in society -- one of them being homosexuality. The lecture was held in association with the Sobriety Movement's Educational Activities (Nykterhetsrörelsens bildningsverksamhet). Its members immediately terminated their collaboration with the mosque.

    Commenting in the Swedish media on the commotion that erupted after the imam's statement, Mohamed Omar, an author and social commentator, wrote that this view of homosexuality is the rule rather than the exception in Swedish mosques: "As a Muslim, I have had the opportunity to visit mosques all over Sweden. Homophobia is the norm everywhere. I have heard far worse things than 'homosexuality is a virus.' In no mosque, I repeat nowhere, have I encountered teachings of tolerance for homosexuality."

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6940/sweden-islam-multiculturalism-october

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    Dec 30, 2015 5:01 PM GMT
    stratavos said*sigh* great... honor killings are up... it's not going to be easy to get it across that that practice is not allowed.


    Those Swedes are so picky...
  • dumbbell

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    Dec 30, 2015 5:45 PM GMT
    S2Ki saidSweden is built upon the "Democratic Socialist" construct "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Swedes fully trust their government to protect their rights and fruits of their labors.

    Some of us here in the US reject that Swedish model. Military and police keep us safe, but we have the 2nd Amendment as a backup. Never give up the right to defend yourself, or allow gov't to manage the fruits of your own productive achievement.


    Well said.

    Never trust the government, certainly not completely. Sadly, the Swedes, like Germany, seem to be going through a self-hate phase which hopefully won't last too long, favoring the replacement of their own good peoples with hostile foreign ones. Their ultra-liberal values are being expressed in a paradoxical extreme whereby state policy now dictates importing huge numbers -- according to Merkel, with no particular fixed limit -- of people whose hatred for precisely those ulta-left values seethes in the mosques, and elsewhere.

    But Europe is waking up and this too shall pass. Merkel's name is mud and the Sweden Democrats, while not perfect, are poised to fix the Swedish mess.
  • ASHDOD

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    Dec 30, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    its amazing, its like a nation suicide icon_eek.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Dec 30, 2015 10:09 PM GMT
    2Bnaked saidThis place will no longer be the home of Blond, blue supermodels.

    It's going down!!

    Doesn't this comment just make it sound like it's not about religion or culture, but rather for some people it's about racial hierarchy.icon_sad.gif
  • venue35

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:14 PM GMT
    Yes it does.
  • dumbbell

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:49 PM GMT
    I think it's a valid consideration. The European left emphasizes the value of diversity -- but if the population of Scandinavia were to slowly (or maybe not so slowly) come to resemble that of any middle-eastern or north-African land, true diversity would be lost thereby. Surely the typical Scandinavian types represent a tiny minority of human beings on the planet.

    The blond issue aside, any mass waving-in of millions of totally foreign people, many hostile to European values like "diversity", is not a good plan anyway. Unless your plan is to totally fuck up your country.

    I wouldn't want to see the Japanese vanish either. But they don't seem to have self-hatred issues -- national, cultural or ethno-racial.

    A hierarchy is one thing, protection and preservation is something else. It isn't wrong to want to keep what little Scandinavian stock there is in the world. On the contrary. That is real global diversity.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:13 AM GMT
    Here is another link to an article about Islam:

    http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=335861

    It expresses a somewhat more positive viewpoint. The newspaper in which the article was published has a letters column which you may use to comment on the article.
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    Dec 31, 2015 3:15 AM GMT
    Sam27 said
    2Bnaked saidThis place will no longer be the home of Blond, blue supermodels.
    It's going down!!

    Not all Muslims have black hair and brown eyes or dark skin.

    Why do you sympathise with them so much? Are you in love with them? Why tell me why?
    Sweden for many years produced the most top models of any other country. Blond and Blue. I am not sure any of them were muslims at the time.....RU?
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    Dec 31, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    2Bnaked saidThis place will no longer be the home of Blond, blue supermodels.

    It's going down!!

    Doesn't this comment just make it sound like it's not about religion or culture, but rather for some people it's about racial hierarchy.icon_sad.gif



    Perhaps, but it's the homeland of my Forefathers and I might be a little touchy about it. Sorry!
    I am very proud of my European, Scandinavian/Viking Heritage and the social and even some liberal values that I have (freedom of speech, no censorship and freedom of self expression etc. and yes....NAKEDNESS!!! lol). You see, the liberal scandinavia I know will soon be awashed in the Strict Islam and Koran bullshit. They (Scandinavians: Swedes & Danes, finns and Norwegians) are free spirits. Beautiful people who are openly free, industrious and generous. I know it's soon to be destroyed. I am glad I am here now actually. Thank you Grandpa.
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    Dec 31, 2015 5:35 AM GMT
    dumbbell_junkie said
    S2Ki saidSweden is built upon the "Democratic Socialist" construct "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Swedes fully trust their government to protect their rights and fruits of their labors.

    Some of us here in the US reject that Swedish model. Military and police keep us safe, but we have the 2nd Amendment as a backup. Never give up the right to defend yourself, or allow gov't to manage the fruits of your own productive achievement.


    Well said.

    Never trust the government, certainly not completely. Sadly, the Swedes, like Germany, seem to be going through a self-hate phase which hopefully won't last too long, favoring the replacement of their own good peoples with hostile foreign ones. Their ultra-liberal values are being expressed in a paradoxical extreme whereby state policy now dictates importing huge numbers -- according to Merkel, with no particular fixed limit -- of people whose hatred for precisely those ulta-left values seethes in the mosques, and elsewhere.

    But Europe is waking up and this too shall pass. Merkel's name is mud and the Sweden Democrats, while not perfect, are poised to fix the Swedish mess.



    Thank you! icon_smile.gif I actually believe that religion and liberalism share the same underpinnings of self-hate.

    Liberals self-hate because no matter how much browbeating they get about self-defense or to keeping the fruits of their labor - their own natural self preservation instinct still remains. The only way to settle this cognitive dissonance is to declare oneself a hateful and evil reprobate. And if they're white, they must stand with any group except their own - another disconnect solved, by pouring on more self loathing.

    This is why they hate Trump so much. He speaks to their natural, healthy instinct for self preservation. But hating Trump is just a surrogate for the hate they have for their own "socially unacceptable" instincts.
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    Dec 31, 2015 6:58 AM GMT
    Defining people as "them" vs. "us" is part of the problem. As if everything were black and white or good vs. evil. The world is shades of gray and thinking about it in such stark presumptive terms where one classifies and dehumanizes entire masses of people as an "Other" is just exacerbating the issue.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Dec 31, 2015 8:00 AM GMT
    Sadly, it is neither Merkel nor the lack of strict border controls nor the economic or any other plight of the people arriving to Europe either as refugees or economic immigrants that makes the current massive immigration to Europe an unavoidable phenomenon.

    It is simply the very low birth rate among the major European nations.

    USA has a birth rate of 12.49 per 1.000 pop.

    Germany has a birth rate of 8.47 per 1.000 pop.

    Sweden has a birth rate of 11.99 per 1.000 pop.

    Italy has a birth rate of 8.74 per 1.000 pop.

    Europe has a simple choice: either we take in a very large number of people willing to come in, in hope that they may be able to save our pension and social support systems or we go down.

    Unlike the US, European nations never really developed any meaningful immigration policy. First off, our societies remain relatively closed, nationally minded, Eurocentric; generally unwelcoming and with hardly any plan or even any genuine intention to integrate the 'others'.

    Second off, the socialist nature of our societies is rather unattractive to the possibly industrious immigrants/refugees who may be willing to invest some very serious effort to achieve private affluence many of them crave for. Hence, continuous, selective, relatively well-channelled immigration into the European countries is really not a viable option here.

    The Merkels of this world do not open their welcoming arms to the possibly genuine (or not) plight of the masses of humanity. They have the strategic interest of the ruling elites of their countries on their minds first and foremost.

    SC
  • jjguy05

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    Dec 31, 2015 9:24 AM GMT
    S2Ki said

    Liberals self-hate because no matter how much browbeating they get about self-defense or to keeping the fruits of their labor...


    What's the conservative stance on employers keeping the fruits of their employees' labor? Profiting off the backs of their workers, while the workers -at low wages- essentially perform volunteer labor?

    S2Ki said
    This is why they hate Trump so much. He speaks to their natural, healthy instinct for self preservation.


    He's also a charlatan that constantly declares bankruptcy to avoid paying his bills.

    Conservatives: thieves, as always.

    S2Ki said
    Some of us here in the US reject that Swedish model. Military and police keep us safe, but we have the 2nd Amendment as a backup. Never give up the right to defend yourself, or allow gov't to manage the fruits of your own productive achievement.


    Then give up police protection, fire, streets and sanitation, transportation infrastructure, public schools, and mortgage subsidies.
  • jperfit

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    Dec 31, 2015 11:31 AM GMT
    Sam27 said
    2Bnaked said
    Sam27 said
    2Bnaked saidThis place will no longer be the home of Blond, blue supermodels.
    It's going down!!

    Not all Muslims have black hair and brown eyes or dark skin.

    Why do you sympathise with them so much? Are you in love with them? Why tell me why?
    Sweden for many years produced the most top models of any other country. Blond and Blue. I am not sure any of them were muslims at the time.....RU?


    I am not defending them. I wasn't sure you know there are some Muslim models that have blue eyes and blond hair. I am not sure either if any of Swedish models are Muslims. They could be? There are a lot of Bosnian muslims live in Sweden and some of them have blond hair. My point is not all Muslims are alike and not all of the Swedish models have blond hair and blue eyes.

    I worry the most is the salafi muslims. They are dangerous in my opinion.


    Not all Muslims are evil or bad, I have family whom are moderate Muslims and they respect other peoples beliefs as well as the american constitution, your palistian, how do you feel about Isreal occupying its territories?
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    Dec 31, 2015 1:47 PM GMT
    Multiculturism is destructive to societies founded upon centuries of common values & roots. You cannot import the 3rd world en masse and expect assimilation. Look at the Turks in Germany - 3 generations in, most still are not assimilated and they also have the highest percentage of rape crime in the country. This will be the West's undoing.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 31, 2015 2:13 PM GMT
    naturalmuscle01 saidMulticulturism is destructive to societies founded upon centuries of common values & roots. You cannot import the 3rd world en masse and expect assimilation. Look at the Turks in Germany - 3 generations in, most still are not assimilated and they also have the highest percentage of rape crime in the country. This will be the West's undoing.


    you're right, for the most part; but that idiot George Soros would disagree
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    Dec 31, 2015 2:38 PM GMT
    jjguy05 said
    S2Ki said

    Liberals self-hate because no matter how much browbeating they get about self-defense or to keeping the fruits of their labor...


    What's the conservative stance on employers keeping the fruits of their employees' labor? Profiting off the backs of their workers, while the workers -at low wages- essentially perform volunteer labor?

    If a business can't "profit off the backs of employees" why would they hire them in the first place? If the employee makes "low wages" who's responsibility is it to develop a better skill set?

    jjguy05 said
    S2Ki said
    This is why they hate Trump so much. He speaks to their natural, healthy instinct for self preservation.


    He's also a charlatan that constantly declares bankruptcy to avoid paying his bills.

    Conservatives: thieves, as always.

    So everybody who ever declared bankruptcy is a thief, or just people you don't like? It's pretty clear that you work a non business job, but if you educated yourself in business, you'd see that the real estate development business is extremely risky. Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, but a few of his literally thousands of business entities have, which is an excellent record, given the risky nature of his industry.

    jjguy05 said
    S2Ki said
    Some of us here in the US reject that Swedish model. Military and police keep us safe, but we have the 2nd Amendment as a backup. Never give up the right to defend yourself, or allow gov't to manage the fruits of your own productive achievement.


    Then give up police protection, fire, streets and sanitation, transportation infrastructure, public schools, and mortgage subsidies.

    Big difference between paying taxes for common public services....and paying taxes so liberal democrats can use that money to buy votes....or in the case of the Clintons...use that money to help their very wealthy friends, and subsequently receive $140 million of kickbacks, disguised as speeches.
  • jperfit

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    Dec 31, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    naturalmuscle01 saidMulticulturism is destructive to societies founded upon centuries of common values & roots. You cannot import the 3rd world en masse and expect assimilation. Look at the Turks in Germany - 3 generations in, most still are not assimilated and they also have the highest percentage of rape crime in the country. This will be the West's undoing.


    Then you must be against the Syrian refugees fleeing their country and settling in places like Germany and let's not forget that the Americans govt has said they will allow 150,000 to come into this country as well, Basher allaSad uses chemical warfare on his own people not to mention Isis occupying Syria;
  • tj85016

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    Dec 31, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
    jperfit said
    naturalmuscle01 saidMulticulturism is destructive to societies founded upon centuries of common values & roots. You cannot import the 3rd world en masse and expect assimilation. Look at the Turks in Germany - 3 generations in, most still are not assimilated and they also have the highest percentage of rape crime in the country. This will be the West's undoing.


    Then you must be against the Syrian refugees fleeing their country and settling in places like Germany and let's not forget that the Americans govt has said they will allow 150,000 to come into this country as well, Basher allaSad uses chemical warfare on his own people not to mention Isis occupying Syria;


    I am, these cowards (the men at least) should stay and fight for their country, beliefs, and freedom instead of running away to suck off the teat of the West - and that is exactly what they are doing
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    Dec 31, 2015 8:43 PM GMT
    S2Ki said
    Liberals self-hate because no matter how much browbeating they get about self-defense or to keeping the fruits of their labor - their own natural self preservation instinct still remains. The only way to settle this cognitive dissonance is to declare oneself a hateful and evil reprobate. And if they're white, they must stand with any group except their own - another disconnect solved, by pouring on more self loathing.

    This is why they hate Trump so much. He speaks to their natural, healthy instinct for self preservation. But hating Trump is just a surrogate for the hate they have for their own "socially unacceptable" instincts.


    Wow, what a meandering diaper dripping of horseshit.