The storm that will unfreeze the North Pole

  • metta

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    Dec 30, 2015 8:25 PM GMT
    The storm that will unfreeze the North Pole

    "And so on Wednesday, the North Pole will likely see temperatures of about 35 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius. That’s 50 degrees hotter than average: It’s usually 20 degrees Fahrenheit below zero there at this time of year."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-storm-that-will-unfreeze-the-north-pole/ar-BBo2Bxy
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    Dec 30, 2015 10:42 PM GMT
    "Winter temperatures have only snuck above freezing at the North Pole once before."

    And for how many years out of the billions that the earth has been in existence have we data recordings of temperatures at the North Pole?
  • tazzari

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:23 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said"Winter temperatures have only snuck above freezing at the North Pole once before."

    And for how many years out of the billions that the earth has been in existence have we data recordings of temperatures at the North Pole?


    From the article: " the second time on record"
  • Wendigo9

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    Dec 30, 2015 11:31 PM GMT
    Good thing this came up after christmas and not before, lol. It's probly history repeating itself ever since the last actual ice age, or for you christian nuts out there "the flood in Noah's ark".
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    Dec 30, 2015 11:37 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said"Winter temperatures have only snuck above freezing at the North Pole once before."

    And for how many years out of the billions that the earth has been in existence have we data recordings of temperatures at the North Pole?


    +1
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    Dec 30, 2015 11:42 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    UndercoverMan said"Winter temperatures have only snuck above freezing at the North Pole once before."

    And for how many years out of the billions that the earth has been in existence have we data recordings of temperatures at the North Pole?


    From the article: " the second time on record"


    Is that "record" 100 years, 200 years, 4.7 billion years or?

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:16 AM GMT
    My question is why are so worried. We don't have any past data to prove the North Pole hasn't gone through this before. I wouldn't worry, there isn't anything we can do anyways. Unless you know a Mr Freeze or Iceman
  • wild_sky360

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
    Unfreezing the North Pole...for commercial exploitation

    An unintended ? side benefit icon_rolleyes.giffrom decades of weather warfare experiments.

    http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/popular-science-warns-about-weather-as-a-weapon/

    The CO2 argument is a massive social experiment and a laughable diversion from 70 years of very real and very deliberate man made climate change. If and when it ever becomes common knowledge it will then be put forward as the scientific solution to the mythical problem. We're already inching towards that with occasional news about solar radiation management aka geoengineering.
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    Dec 31, 2015 12:54 AM GMT
    Jershor saidMy question is why are so worried. We don't have any past data to prove the North Pole hasn't gone through this before. I wouldn't worry, there isn't anything we can do anyways. Unless you know a Mr Freeze or Iceman


    Interesting. If your body temperature were to go up 50%, wouldn't you be worried whether or not you have taken taken your temperature once, twice or many times before?
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    Dec 31, 2015 1:22 AM GMT
    Okay. So let us say that your body temperature increases fifty degree F. That would mean about 150 F. Meaning that you would experience hyperthermia. That should worry you whether or not you have taken your temperature before.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 31, 2015 1:31 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidOkay. So let us say that your body temperature increases fifty degree F. That would mean about 150 F. Meaning that you would experience hyperthermia. That should worry you whether or not you have taken your temperature before.


    He wouldnt worry because he would be dead. Stick to the NY times , you dont know what your talking about.

    ( the analogy of the human body to the planet is silly)
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    Dec 31, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
    Both the human body and the planet are equilibrium systems. Which medical school did you go to?
  • musclmed

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    Dec 31, 2015 1:40 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidBoth the human body and the planet are equilibrium systems. Which medical school did you go to?


    Oh the one that tells me past 106/107 few people survive.

    Okay. So let us say that your body temperature increases fifty degree F. That would mean about 150 F. Meaning that you would experience hyperthermia.
    That should worry you whether or not you have taken your temperature before.


    So your 50 degree analogy shows me how silly and uninformed you are.
    Find me someone that experienced 150 degrees. And we will talk.

    Keep your silly comments coming.
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    Dec 31, 2015 1:50 AM GMT
    I think you just prove my point. Thank you.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 31, 2015 1:59 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidI think you just prove my point.

    No simpleton.

    The range of operating temperatures of a human or even a mammal is so small compared to the range of temperatures the surface of the earth experiences.
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    Dec 31, 2015 2:12 AM GMT
    tazzari said
    UndercoverMan said"Winter temperatures have only snuck above freezing at the North Pole once before."

    And for how many years out of the billions that the earth has been in existence have we data recordings of temperatures at the North Pole?


    From the article: " the second time on record"


    OMG! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Oh wait! The water's rising! The water's rising! The water's rising!
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    Dec 31, 2015 5:11 AM GMT
    NYT: As of this October, the Earth had warmed by about 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880, when tracking began at a global scale. That figure includes the surface of the ocean. The warming is greater over land, and greater still in the Arctic and parts of Antarctica.

    The number may sound low, but as an average over the surface of an entire planet, it is actually high, which explains why much of the land ice on the planet is starting to melt and the oceans are rising at an accelerating pace. The heat accumulating in the Earth because of human emissions is roughly equal to the heat that would be released by 400,000 Hiroshima atomic bombs exploding across the planet every day.

    Scientists believe most and probably all of the warming since 1950 was caused by the human release of greenhouse gases. If emissions continue unchecked, they say the global warming could ultimately exceed 8 degrees Fahrenheit, which would transform the planet and undermine its capacity to support a large human population.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/28/science/what-is-climate-change.html
  • Svnw688

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    Dec 31, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    Pretty certain we don't need a guy with a thermomether at the North Pole, ice produces this handy-dandy thing called "core samples" we can drill and, literally, calculate the exact temperature for any given year for, theoretically, as far as you can drill. We can also analyze the precise elemental make-up of the water, and to a lesser extent, the atmosphere for each of those moments in history. It's the same with soil in a steep creekbed or a tree trunk, just better, more scientific, better preserved and more accurate.

    Nice try climate change deniers. Bottom line is that an above freezing ice-box isn't a good thing. Spoiled meat, anyone?
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    Dec 31, 2015 6:07 AM GMT
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/12/03/reagan-bush-41-memos-reveal-how-republicans-used-to-think-about-climate-change-and-the-environment/
    Reagan, Bush 41 memos reveal sharp contrast with today’s GOP on climate and the environment

    The memos, stamped “confidential” and kept under wraps for years, portray a White House eager to assert U.S. leadership on climate change. Global warming will have “profound consequences,” one document warns, and the United States “cannot wait” until all scientific questions are resolved before taking action.

    The source of the memos: Not the Obama White House, but policy advisers to President George H.W. Bush.

    The memos were among several formerly classified documents from the Bush and Reagan administrations obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and released on Wednesday by the National Security Archive. The documents portray senior officials in the two Republican administrations pressing for an aggressive response to international environmental issues of the day — including, during Bush’s term, climate change.

    The assertive posture contrasts with the positions taken this week by leading Republican presidential contenders, several of whom publicly mocked Obama’s efforts to secure an international climate treaty in Paris. The GOP-controlled House voted Tuesday to block the administration’s signature regulation to cut greenhouse-gas pollution from U.S. power plants.
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    Dec 31, 2015 6:09 AM GMT
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    Quick, somebody fetch southbeach the smelling salts.
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    http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/04/gop-cover-up-memos-reveal-reagan-bush-warned-climate-change-threat.html
    Recently released confidential internal memos of the Reagan and elder Bush White Houses reveal they knew about global warming and warned that climate change posed a national security threat...

    Here’s an example from a State Department memo in Feb. 1989 in a newly inaugurated George H.W. Bush administration:
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    Dec 31, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta saidThe storm that will unfreeze the North Pole

    "And so on Wednesday, the North Pole will likely see temperatures of about 35 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius. That’s 50 degrees hotter than average: It’s usually 20 degrees Fahrenheit below zero there at this time of year."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/the-storm-that-will-unfreeze-the-north-pole/ar-BBo2Bxy


    So, you actually believe the North Pole will "unfreeze" huh?

    * Not expecting a response, you never reply to other RJ members that attempt to engage you in discussion on the topics you create.


    There WILL be some repercussions from this storm felt around the world. For instance, temps in Los Angeles have been VERY low at night (in the 30s) of late and this will continue. I have buds in Europe who are remarking at the clearly different unpleasant climate changes compared to prior years--this in a year of refugees who are sleeping exposed in the streets. Iceland will likely go through hell. The storm over the arctic is said to be unprecedented.
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    Dec 31, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidPretty certain we don't need a guy with a thermomether at the North Pole, ice produces this handy-dandy thing called "core samples" we can drill and, literally, calculate the exact temperature for any given year for, theoretically, as far as you can drill. We can also analyze the precise elemental make-up of the water, and to a lesser extent, the atmosphere for each of those moments in history. It's the same with soil in a steep creekbed or a tree trunk, just better, more scientific, better preserved and more accurate.

    Nice try climate change deniers. Bottom line is that an above freezing ice-box isn't a good thing. Spoiled meat, anyone?


    +1 you save me from having to mention this. Plus, taking core Ice samples can tell you a great deal more than that. However, on another note, for this kind of drastic climate change seems to suggest slight polarity shifts?
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    Jan 01, 2016 12:16 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said


    That's what the liberals / leftists / Democrats claim will "solve" the "problem" of "climate change" and ensure that the North Pole will never "unfreeze" again.


    It doesn't matter whether the science is valid. The narrative just has to be sold long and hard enough to finally allow yet more control over our lives.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 01, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
    I sense panic among the deniers now that we're starting to see the signs.icon_sad.gif
  • musclmed

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    Jan 01, 2016 1:20 AM GMT
    Svnw688 saidPretty certain we don't need a guy with a thermomether at the North Pole, ice produces this handy-dandy thing called "core samples" we can drill and, literally, calculate the exact temperature for any given year for, theoretically, as far as you can drill. We can also analyze the precise elemental make-up of the water, and to a lesser extent, the atmosphere for each of those moments in history. It's the same with soil in a steep creekbed or a tree trunk, just better, more scientific, better preserved and more accurate.

    Nice try climate change deniers. Bottom line is that an above freezing ice-box isn't a good thing. Spoiled meat, anyone?


    Exactly , the SLATE article seemed to delete that information. Wouldn't we know if it was the highest temperature?

    Unless it wasnt the highest temp but it made a better story just to leave those facts out.

    Slate area a junk paper anyway with a political slant.