A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:35 AM GMT
    December 29, 2015 marks the 125th Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms.

    TWENTY members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

    We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

    Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

    Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

    As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”.

    Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-
    Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

    Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

    Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

    ~ Matthew W. Yates, Facebook
  • venue35

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    Dec 31, 2015 12:39 AM GMT
    But i would like to why shootings are such a problem in the US..what if banning firearms is the only solution??
    It would be almost impossible for firarms to be banned anyway..i don't see it happening anytime soon
    It's a very complicated issue.
    Say you are married and your children are sleeping downstairs...a child murderer attempts to kill your daughter while she is sleeping. Luckily you have a gun and kill the attacker before he kills your daughter.
    But..say you have a gun hidden in your closet but high up where your kids cant reach it. What if one of ypur kids finds a chair reaches up and plays with loaded gun and accidentally shoots himself????
  • Apparition

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    Dec 31, 2015 2:09 AM GMT
    Predator_and_Hellfire.jpg

    how cute, little oppressed civilian has a glock! Look at him try to defend his little territory.

    YOU DONT BRING A GUN TO A DRONE WAR. YOU DONT NEED A GUN.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 01, 2016 6:28 AM GMT
    bon_pan saidDecember 29, 2015 marks the 125th Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms.

    TWENTY members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

    We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

    Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

    Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

    As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”.

    Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-
    Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

    Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

    Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

    ~ Matthew W. Yates, Facebook
    What happened at Wounded Knee, South Dakota was a terrible disgrace that our federal government has covered up and distorted the facts because if the entire truth were told it would have been the U.S. Government that would have been the bloodthirsty savages and not the Sioux Nation of Indians. But over the years we were all fed lies in our history books about what really happened at Wounded Knee, South Dakota.

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    Jan 01, 2016 4:22 PM GMT
    Apparition saidPredator_and_Hellfire.jpg

    how cute, little oppressed civilian has a glock! Look at him try to defend his little territory.

    YOU DONT BRING A GUN TO A DRONE WAR. YOU DONT NEED A GUN.


    It might upset the neighbors whose spouses and kids become collateral damage.

    Swat team is more likely.
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    Jan 01, 2016 10:23 PM GMT
    I Don't remember Wounded Knee being much of a secret. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee was first published in 1970 to generally strong reviews. Published at a time of increasing American Indian activism, the book has never gone out of print and has been translated into 17 languages.

    The book and the 2007 movie are both available at Amazon.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee

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  • HottJoe

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    Jan 01, 2016 10:37 PM GMT
    The second amendment is the law of the white man. You're saying the native Americans need the law of the white man to prevent genocide?icon_confused.gif

    mindgarden That's like trying to heat a blimp hangar by waving a Bic lighter at it from a different building.
  • tazzari

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    Jan 02, 2016 12:37 AM GMT
    Say you are married and your children are sleeping downstairs...a child murderer attempts to kill your daughter while she is sleeping.

    Suppose a meteor crashed through the roof? Or Donald Trump shut up? Seems only slightly less likely.
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    Jan 02, 2016 12:46 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe second amendment is the law of the white man. You're saying the native Americans need the law of the white man to prevent genocide?icon_confused.gif

    mindgarden That's like trying to heat a blimp hangar by waving a Bic lighter at it from a different building.


    It's also an arcane relic of the revolutionary era.
  • mrwritenow

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    Jan 02, 2016 7:36 AM GMT
    It took me a little bit more than 2 years to get through reading "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". I was devastated by what I read all those years ago as a young teen. Last summer, I finally made a pilgrimage to the cemetery and the site to pay my respects to the victims of the massacre. Thank you for posting this.
  • Suetonius

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    Jan 02, 2016 9:05 AM GMT
    venue35 saidWhat if one of ypur kids finds a chair reaches up and plays with loaded gun and accidentally shoots himself????

    Happens all the time in the USA. Some parents are careful and responsible, and others aren't.
  • Suetonius

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    Jan 02, 2016 9:08 AM GMT
    Apparition saidPredator_and_Hellfire.jpg

    how cute, little oppressed civilian has a glock! Look at him try to defend his little territory.

    YOU DONT BRING A GUN TO A DRONE WAR. YOU DONT NEED A GUN.


    How true - If Wounded Knee were to happen today, the FBI would be blowing them away with drone strikes, not killing them with snipers. They wouldn't have to worry about the snipers being bad shots and killing the wrong people - they would kill everyone in a 100 yard radius.
  • Suetonius

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    Jan 02, 2016 9:12 AM GMT
    tazzari saidSay you are married and your children are sleeping downstairs...a child murderer attempts to kill your daughter while she is sleeping.

    Suppose a meteor crashed through the roof? Or Donald Trump shut up? Seems only slightly less likely.

    Actually, quite likely to happen - not killing your daughter - but breaking in and holding you at gunpoint. Happens rather frequently in suburban San Francisco where no one has guns (probably not in rural Washington). Another incident just yesterday.
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    Jan 02, 2016 11:52 AM GMT
    I'd say that having a gun in the house is definitely going to make your children less safe. The chance of them finding the gun and killing/injuring themself (or another) accidentally has already been discussed. But what about you mistaking one of your children for an intruder and accidentally shooting them? And, in the unlikely event that an armed intruder does enter your home, how safe are the children going to be during a shoot out between householder and intruder (as opposed to no shots being fired during an unresisted armed intrusion)?

  • Suetonius

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    Jan 02, 2016 7:11 PM GMT
    ^ So, one should be extremely careful if their are kids in the house. For anyone else, especially single women, have a gun at the beside and know how to use it (and secure it safely when you're not at home, so it doesn't get stolen.). Hopefully the husband won't pull an Oscar Pistorius.
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    Jan 02, 2016 7:36 PM GMT
    intruder; grab your dog, children, husband whatever; and lock your self in a bathroom. Call the cops. You dont want to be out there, all 3 of you; cops, homeowner & the intruder. All armed and some what ready.
  • Suetonius

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    Jan 02, 2016 7:44 PM GMT
    pellaz saidintruder; grab your dog, children, husband whatever; and lock your self in a bathroom. Call the cops. You dont want to be out there, all 3 of you; cops, homeowner & the intruder. All armed and some what ready.

    No, what is to be desired, is for the cops to find the dead or dying intruder on your living room floor or stairs. Better he than you.