Oregon: 150 Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building - Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2016 3:33 AM GMT
    150 Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/02/3735576/150-armed-militia-members-take-over-federal-building/


    Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html


    Ranch occupy federal wildlife building in Oregon

    "Militia members protesting a federal prison sentence for two Oregon ranchers convicted on charges of setting fire to federal land have occupied the headquarters of a national park, the OregonLive reports."

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/or-residents-blast-trigger-happy-idiot-right-wing-militia-for-defending-ranchers-who-set-federal-land-on-fire/

    Militiamen, ranchers in showdown for soul of Burns

    "The Hammonds are father and son ranchers, due to report to federal prison on Monday. They were convicted in 2012 of arson for lighting public land on fire adjacent to their ranch land south of Burns. They have been imprisoned once and must return for an additional term after federal appellate judges said they had been illegally sentenced the first time."

    "The Hammonds don't want to be part of the outsiders' cause, and neither do many in Harney County."

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/12/militiamen_ranchers_in_showdow.html


    A Militia Has Taken Over A Federal Building In Oregon

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-ranchers-occupy-national-wildlife-refuge_56888a61e4b0b958f65be382
  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2016 3:36 AM GMT
    MARINE JON RITZHEIMER

    "one member of the group, Jon Ritzheimer, posted a goodbye video to his family on YouTube today. “I want to die a free man,”

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    Jan 03, 2016 4:01 AM GMT
    Well shit. I was gonna take the jeep down there for a few days. But every time I was ready to go, the land was all on fire. And now it's all frozen.

    Incidentally, it's not a "federal building," it's a remote visitors center. There probably aren't 150 people in Malheur county this time of year, normally.

    Ironically, the two guys going to jail, for fighting wild fire on leased BLM land with a backfire (standard procedure which government guys do every day) didn't really do anything wrong. They just pissed off a couple of local bureaucrats. (Oh, sure, they should have started the six-year long process to get federal permits, as the fire was racing down on their ranch.) If these rednecks had left their guns at home, they could have been like the poor-white-trash version of "Black Lives Matter." And maybe gotten their guys off and some bureaucrats in jail.

    Now, it's just gonna be a side-show. Retards.
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    Jan 03, 2016 4:09 AM GMT
    The other thing that's been going on is that a few left-wing-nuts from Portland have recently gotten the whole area designated as a "National Monument." Over the objections of the people who actually live there.
  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2016 4:15 AM GMT
    ^
    What was that land designated prior to it becoming a monument? The land next to me has become a national monument as well, however, the land was and still is also a national forest as well. Where I am, people complained that the federal government was taking over land but in actuality, it was already federal land. I'm curious to find out if the situation is similar in Oregon.

    There must be some law that the courts are using to justify this.
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    Jan 03, 2016 4:48 AM GMT
    It was just BLM land. Much of it leased to ranchers for grazing. The nice thing is that there is a jeep trail all around Steens Mountain and up to the summit. Then you can drive across the Alvord Desert (dry lake bed) to some hot springs. Which is actually private ranch land, but everybody has always been pretty mellow about it. Until now.
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    Jan 03, 2016 4:56 AM GMT
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    Jan 03, 2016 5:13 AM GMT
    mindgarden said

    Now, it's just gonna be a side-show. Retards.


    Amen.
  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2016 5:17 AM GMT
    Does that mean that the federal government did not previously care if ranchers set fire to federal land? I wonder if the increase in forest fires along the west coast has changed that?
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    Jan 03, 2016 5:25 AM GMT
    The federal government does not have enough people to fight all of the fires. Several of the big fires this summer were fought largely with volunteer ranchers. These guys just pissed off the local bureaucrats (I'm sure it was entirely mutual) repeatedly over many years, until a "gotcha" moment came along.

    Where I live has been turned into a "National Scenic Area." That means that Forest Service Bureaucrats have authority over private lands. The most asinine retards imaginable. I've locked horns with them a few times. We have sort of a Mutually Assured Destruction thing going. They leave me alone, and I don't expose their fraud.
  • musclmed

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    Jan 03, 2016 6:52 AM GMT
    the two individuals apparently set back fires to prevent encroaching wildfires. They were sentenced and did time 3 months(73 y/o) 1 year (year old).

    Apparently the government went back to appeal the sentencing as too lenient. So they are going back for 4 years each. For the 73 year old. Kinda weird.

    The think progress garbage link just mentions them as arsonist. The story is a bit complicated, but soon after the government denied them grazing rights so they have to pay more money to have cattle graze on other neighboring pastures.

    To me technically it maybe arson, but if they are trying to protect the land im not sure if they deserve 4+ years in federal prison.

    Williams said the government has never called the ranchers terrorists, and prosecutors acknowledged they were good people who contributed to their community.
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    Jan 03, 2016 6:59 AM GMT
    NYT: A group of activists and militiamen protesting the federal prosecution of two ranchers occupied a remote federal building in the rural southeastern corner of Oregon, the authorities said.

    Among the occupiers were Ammon and Ryan Bundy, two sons of Cliven Bundy, a Nevada rancher. Cliven Bundy previously galvanized conservative critics of the federal government after a standoff with agents from the Bureau of Land Management, who attempted to confiscate cattle he had illegally grazed on federal land since 1993.

    A lawyer for the Hammonds (the convicted arsonists) said, however, they did not welcome the Bundys’ help, according to The Associated Press.

    In an interview with The Oregonian, the Bundy brothers said they would not rule out violence if law enforcement officers attempted to remove them from the building.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-ranchers-will-return-to-prison-angering-far-right-activists.html?
  • metta

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    Jan 03, 2016 6:24 PM GMT
    The Oregon militia standoff, explained

    "The apparent goal of the takeover is ultimately to induce the federal government to turn over government-owned land to local ranchers, loggers, and miners for their use."

    http://www.vox.com/2016/1/3/10703712/oregon-militia-standoff
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2016 5:05 PM GMT
    Domestic Terrorists In Oregon Standoff Now Have Kids In Federal Building, Want To Overthrow Gov't.

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/extremist_militia_in_oregon_standoff_want_to_overthrow_government_have_children_in_federal_building
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    Jan 04, 2016 5:07 PM GMT
    Oregon gunmen want another Waco or Ruby Ridge — here’s what happened then and why it matters now


    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/oregon-gunmen-want-another-waco-or-ruby-ridge-heres-what-happened-then-and-why-it-matters-now/
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2016 5:14 PM GMT
    If the Oregon militiamen were Muslim or black, they’d be dead by now

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    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/if-the-oregon-militiamen-were-muslim-or-black-theyd-be-dead-by-now/
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2016 5:31 PM GMT
    Oregon 'terrorists' don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks and supplies


    http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/oregon-terrorists-dont-plan-siege-very-well-put-out-plea-for-snacks-and-supplies--ZJglh9sRjx
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    Jan 04, 2016 5:48 PM GMT
    Oh, so they're "terrorists" now? Whom have they killed, kidnapped, or held hostage? How many planes have they hijacked? LOL, metta; as you say "there must be some law ..." But, don't worry, you're safe in your own gated SoCal compound, from everything but higher taxes and Mello-Roos fees to fund your left-wing follies.
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2016 6:20 PM GMT
    SIDENOTE: I find it hilarious that SOME of the conservatives on this site have been searching for dirt for many years, any little piece of information they can use against me, as they have done with other members on this site, reusing the information over and over and over again, even if the person apologizes for the comment, and the best things they can come up with is I live in a gated community and I don't I don't respond to nasty comments. LMAO icon_lol.gif UOTI





    The Bundy siege is a wake-up call: American extremists are getting desperate — and dangerous

    People like the Bundy family are on the decline in America. But before they disappear, they're going to raise hell


    http://www.salon.com/2016/01/04/the_bundy_siege_is_a_wake_up_call_american_extremists_are_getting_desperate_and_dangerous/
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    Jan 04, 2016 6:28 PM GMT
    metta saidSIDENOTE: I find it hilarious that SOME of the conservatives on this site have been searching for dirt for many years, any little piece of information they can use against me, as they have done with other members on this site, reusing the information over and over and over again, even if the person apologizes for the comment, and the best things they can come up with is I live in a gated community and I don't I don't respond to nasty comments. LMAO icon_lol.gif UOTI


    The same can be said of your dredging every lefty site in the world to support your worldview, and then not joining the debate on issues you raise, but only raising more of them from the same old sources. Why so pusillanimous?
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    Jan 04, 2016 6:36 PM GMT
    metta saidSIDENOTE: I find it hilarious that SOME of the conservatives on this site have been searching for dirt for many years, any little piece of information they can use against me, as they have done with other members on this site, reusing the information over and over and over again, even if the person apologizes for the comment, and the best things they can come up with is I live in a gated community and I don't I don't respond to nasty comments. LMAO icon_lol.gif UOTI

    I think I've been pretty restrained over the years not going after you. BUT - Although you might like to just spray the site with lefty links, whether or not you choose to actually discuss the topics, fact is your role is a member, versus an unbiased reporter. So like it or not, you, including your background and motivations, become part of the narrative.
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    Jan 04, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    metta saidSIDENOTE: I find it hilarious that SOME of the conservatives on this site have been searching for dirt for many years, any little piece of information they can use against me


    If they can't find any dirt on you, one or two of them are not above implying they have.

    Standby for,
    "BTW Metta - I happened to see photos of you on a web site. Interesting background. You've been holding back on us.icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif".

    Or, following the appearance of a "new RJer" making supportive comments about you, you'll suddenly find yourself bombarded with accusations that you've created a sock account.
  • metta

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    Jan 04, 2016 11:38 PM GMT
    Mormon Church Condemns Occupation By Domestic Terrorists, Who Are Mormon And Citing Mormon Scripture

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/mormon_paper_reports_mormon_church_condemns_oregon_occupation_by_domestic_terrorists_who_are_mormon
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    Jan 05, 2016 1:02 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidBanner_Steens_Mtn.jpg

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    Beautiful, rugged country now under siege. How horribly sad.icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 05, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    Well, the old ranch hq where the retards are holed up is actually about 20 miles over on the other side of that mountain... But there aren't any trees or anything over there either. Just sagebrush and a big shallow, slightly salty lake. Which empties into an even saltier lake. Of course, one of the things I wanted to do over there was take some sediment samples from those lakes. icon_confused.gif

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    Not much to burn for fuel - unless they start tearing down the buildings. Not much to eat, unless they plan to hunt ducks.

    Still, probably not a good time to go bushwhaking anywhere near there just now.