Climate Change Spreading Terrible Tropical Diseases in U.S.

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    Jan 05, 2016 3:40 AM GMT
    NYT: A changing climate and human factors are sending viruses like Zika toward the United States.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/health/us-becomes-more-vulnerable-to-tropical-diseases-like-zika.html?ref=health
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    Jan 05, 2016 4:50 PM GMT
    "Human factors?" That's about as close as the NYT will ever come to putting a substantial part of the cause for the rise of these diseases where it belongs: at the feet of illegal immigrants coming into the USA unchecked and unregulated, and from God-only-knows where. "Human vectors" would be an entirely more accurate and appropriate term. Just why did we close Ellis Is. anyway?
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    Jan 05, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
    into the USA unchecked and unregulated, and from God-only-knows where


    Yeah, they are coming from magical virus island and then coughing on everyone. You know, cause people don't travel to other countries, the poor people that manage to get here have zero americans that have ever been exposed to pathogens in their countries of origin.


    The first bubonic plague that we know of, 541, was caused by a bacteria that was able to escape the desert area it was "trapped" in, due to a prolonged cooling period. The bacteria was able to make its way to new hosts that couldn't contain it when the hosts that could were able to migrate out of their desert with the bacteria surviving in their stomachs.


    A bigger problem then poor people trying to make better lives for themselves, is that our society spends most of its time and effort creating imaginery wealth, ones and zeroes, on a computer screen. Instead of actually creating things, like research. The worst part is, many of the best and brightest people go into the field of moving around imaginery money, instead of actually doing anything more productive.
    Of course we need a banking system and investors, but just like not everyone can be an actor, not everyone can be a banker...but somehow, our society runs on a fantasy and we spend most of our time creating things we have in abundance to perpetuate that fantasy endlessly.

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    Jan 05, 2016 7:42 PM GMT
    Please. Can the permissive, irrelevant, socialist drivel, and open your eyes and mind to the facts.
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    Jan 06, 2016 12:09 AM GMT

    You're a fan of buzzwords.

    What's bad about saying resources should be directed more to R&D?

    Take for example, world war 2, we directed companies to make tanks and planes. Was that socialist? Will you be against such things should there be a world war 3? We're at war now, with disease, radical islam, climate change. Yet you want to cry that there is an extreme danger from radical Muslims but don't want to do anything about it? Open your eyes and mind, that people like you are the problem. You want to fight a war with your eye on profit margins, people like you should be dragged out in the streets and shot, if we were really getting serious. Asking corporations and society to do nothing, that's permissive.

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    Jan 06, 2016 1:24 AM GMT
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    Jan 06, 2016 1:46 AM GMT
    MGINSD said"Human factors?" That's about as close as the NYT will ever come to putting a substantial part of the cause for the rise of these diseases where it belongs: at the feet of illegal immigrants coming into the USA unchecked and unregulated, and from God-only-knows where. "Human vectors" would be an entirely more accurate and appropriate term. Just why did we close Ellis Is. anyway?


    This has to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on this website, and that sir, is quite the challenge.

    But lets assume this gentleman is right and diseases are exclusively introduced into the United States through people crossing international borders. More Americans travel to the tropics each year for work and vacation than all the immigrants, legal or otherwise, who enter the United States.

    Of course this blatantly ignores the fact that almost all American territories and one state are in the tropics. It also ignores the role the atmosphere, animals and plants play in the transmission of disease.

    All of this should be the basics of high school level science and social studies. It's time to better fund American education.
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    Jan 06, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    Ah, but I never said it was "exclusively introduced," only substantially so. And, we had eradicated many of those diseases from our tropical possessions, and certainly reduced them - here's that word again - substantially before illegal immigrants both substantially reintroduced them to the US and brought about their increase. You can spin, deny, and deflect all you want, but the facts speak for themselves - to the extent that they're permitted to get out.
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    Jan 06, 2016 2:33 AM GMT
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    DCEric said
    MGINSD said"Human factors?" That's about as close as the NYT will ever come to putting a substantial part of the cause for the rise of these diseases where it belongs: at the feet of illegal immigrants coming into the USA unchecked and unregulated, and from God-only-knows where. "Human vectors" would be an entirely more accurate and appropriate term. Just why did we close Ellis Is. anyway?


    This has to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on this website, and that sir, is quite the challenge.

    But lets assume this gentleman is right and diseases are exclusively introduced into the United States through people crossing international borders. More Americans travel to the tropics each year for work and vacation than all the immigrants, legal or otherwise, who enter the United States.

    Of course this blatantly ignores the fact that almost all American territories and one state are in the tropics. It also ignores the role the atmosphere, animals and plants play in the transmission of disease.

    All of this should be the basics of high school level science and social studies. It's time to better fund American education.


    Except that American citizens are vaccinated against these tropical diseases.

    The "guests" who have come up via our southern border are not.


    Here's a list of major diseases with no vaccine. I can put together a longer list if you like. I've bolded some that are easy to catch from non-human vectors.

    Chagas disease
    Chikungunya
    Dengue
    Cytomegalovirus
    HIV/AIDS
    Hookworm infection
    Leishmaniasis
    Malaria
    Respiratory Syncytial Virus
    Schistosomiasis

    Also the GOPs love affair with not requiring vaccines for means that there is NO requirement for Americans traveling overseas to get vaccines. It's their choice.

    ...and remember, this doesn't even count the fact that the original argument was one of the stupidest ones I've ever heard.

    Basic. High. School. Education.
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    Jan 06, 2016 2:35 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidAh, but I never said it was "exclusively introduced," only substantially so. And, we had eradicated many of those diseases from our tropical possessions, and certainly reduced them - here's that word again - substantially before illegal immigrants both substantially reintroduced them to the US and brought about their increase. You can spin, deny, and deflect all you want, but the facts speak for themselves - to the extent that they're permitted to get out.


    So you admit your argument was just an opportunity to say something racist.

    You are the worst of humanity.
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    Jan 06, 2016 3:30 AM GMT
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    DCEric said
    MGINSD saidAh, but I never said it was "exclusively introduced," only substantially so. And, we had eradicated many of those diseases from our tropical possessions, and certainly reduced them - here's that word again - substantially before illegal immigrants both substantially reintroduced them to the US and brought about their increase. You can spin, deny, and deflect all you want, but the facts speak for themselves - to the extent that they're permitted to get out.


    So you admit your argument was just an opportunity to say something racist.

    You are the worst of humanity.


    I didn't know "illegal aliens" was a race. Humph, ya learn something new every day!


    Your own words: "Central and South American illegal aliens invaded the country"

    May other people be kinder to you, than you are to others, although that appears to be a low bar to meet.
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    Jan 06, 2016 3:31 AM GMT
    About three weeks ago, the guy who empties are trash cans at work coughed twice at every desk under which he was pulling trash cans to empty.

    I was so glad I got to work early that day. I gave him my trash can and let him know I would put it under my desk.

    He didn't cover his mouth or cough into the inside of his elbow, just open mouth coughing twice at each desk and up and down the halls. He decked the halls with a coughing problem I hadn't witness before.

    It's bad enough companies do not always clean their office vents. Who knows what's in the dust that falls into our hair and onto our desks. For the past few days, I wish there was a law where corporations and apartment landlords had to blow clean their vents once a year.
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    Jan 07, 2016 12:10 AM GMT
    No it's actually immigration from the 3rd world bringing in rampant disease eliminated in the West decades ago.
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    Jan 07, 2016 3:03 AM GMT
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    I had read about zika the other day because we have a new monster sized mosquito in Florida so I was concerned. The big one I think was first seen in Orlando in 2013. Not all over Florida yet. I did see just maybe a few last year but this year we had a lot of them. They're the size of a fucking car. Seriously, like 20 times the size of a normal mosquito, including teeth.

    But I think I read of zika that it's just dangerous to pregnant women, to their fetus. Otherwise you might get sick but that will pass.

    But did any one here even bother to read the article. I just skimmed the first part real quick. Looks like it's about bug born diseases. Transmission by bug. Not by human. The human factor they speak of is the likes of shipping and every day travel.

    article:
    The list of scary bug-borne illnesses seems to get longer every year: Lyme, West Nile, Chagas, dengue, chikungunya — and now Zika, the first case of which turned up in Puerto Rico last week.

    Some factors in the new spread are, for now, unstoppable, scientists say: the weather is hotter; cheap airfares mean humans travel more than they did decades ago


    So you Republiklans are using, what, migrant mosquitoes in your argument against immigration?

    What did you blame the Great Lakes zebra mussel invasion on? Détente?
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    Jan 07, 2016 3:05 AM GMT
    & PS. Southbeach, the Emily Post of Posting, would like to complain that this isn't really about gay men's health so you should have opened this thread elsewhere.
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    Jan 16, 2016 5:07 PM GMT
    Hawaiian Baby Infected by Zika Virus

    NYT: The case was a first for the U.S. The child’s mother, who had lived in Brazil, was likely infected by a mosquito bite there last year, the state department said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/health/hawaii-reports-baby-born-with-brain-damage-linked-to-zika-virus.html
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    Jan 16, 2016 5:47 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidAbout three weeks ago, the guy who empties are trash cans at work coughed twice at every desk under which he was pulling trash cans to empty.

    I was so glad I got to work early that day. I gave him my trash can and let him know I would put it under my desk.

    He didn't cover his mouth or cough into the inside of his elbow, just open mouth coughing twice at each desk and up and down the halls. He decked the halls with a coughing problem I hadn't witness before.

    It's bad enough companies do not always clean their office vents. Who knows what's in the dust that falls into our hair and onto our desks. For the past few days, I wish there was a law where corporations and apartment landlords had to blow clean their vents once a year.

    Good points, both. Legionnaires' Disease was caused by an unsanitary air conditioning system, and I see unhygenic behavior throughout the day, nearly every day, wherever I go. My solution? I TELL people who engage in it to either wash their hands before completing my order or to cancel it. Sure, they scowl, but they're less likely to sicken other people.

    BTW, the Spanish version of "Cover Your Mouth!" is "Cubra Su Tos!" Anyone know the translation for "Slower Traffic Keep Right," or "Keep Right Except to Pass?"
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    Jan 18, 2016 12:33 AM GMT
    NYT: The C.D.C. advisory for pregnant women to avoid more than a dozen Latin American countries has intensified a debate over the hemisphere’s growing vulnerability to mosquito-borne diseases.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/18/world/americas/brazil-zika-warning-rio-games.html
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    Jan 18, 2016 1:23 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: The C.D.C. advisory for pregnant women to avoid more than a dozen Latin American countries has intensified a debate over the hemisphere’s growing vulnerability to mosquito-borne diseases.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/18/world/americas/brazil-zika-warning-rio-games.html

    And, given support to those who argue for stricter border controls, including the medical screening and, where advisable, quarantines that were used while Ellis Is. was open. Just why was that place closed anyway? It was hardly the oppressive place the open borders crowd casts it as. In fact, for many newcomers - including some of my own ancestors, no doubt - it was the cleanest and healthiest living space they had ever seen. Kinda like Gitmo, come to think of it. Hey, now there's an idea!
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    Jan 20, 2016 3:47 AM GMT
    CDC Urges Zika Testing

    NYT: The guidelines, though seen as imperfect, offer a way to proceed with worried patients who have recently lived in or traveled to an area where the mosquito-borne virus is being transmitted.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/health/cdc-urges-zika-testing-for-some-who-are-pregnant.html
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    Jan 24, 2016 4:39 AM GMT
    Zika Virus Spreads to New York

    NYT: State health officials said on Friday that three people in New York State, including one from Queens, tested positive for Zika, a mosquito-borne virus that has prompted concern as it has spread rapidly, mostly in Latin America and the Caribbean.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/nyregion/mosquito-borne-zika-virus-found-in-3-new-york-state-patients.html?ref=health
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    Jan 26, 2016 3:41 AM GMT
    Zika Virus Spreading Through Sex

    NYT: Zika virus has already been linked to brain damage in babies and paralysis in adults. Now scientists are facing another ominous possibility: that on rare occasions, the virus might be transmitted through sex.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/health/two-cases-suggest-zika-virus-could-be-spread-through-sex.html?
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    Jan 28, 2016 5:59 PM GMT
    Public Health Emergency Declaration Contemplated

    NYT: Concerned about the disease’s rapid spread in the Americas, officials from the World Health Organization said they would meet on Monday to decide whether to declare a public health emergency.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/health/zika-virus-spreading-explosively-in-americas-who-says.html
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    Feb 01, 2016 6:57 PM GMT
    I think humans are the most arrogant specie on earth.Think about how we destroyed the planet earth because of our greed.

    The truth is that we are nowhere close in fighting climate change as we have long exhausted our ecological budget.

    I strongly believe the West should pay some kind of reparation to small and poor countries as they don't have any hand in climate change because they were never industrialized.