Rams Are Coming Back to Los Angeles, and the Chargers Might Join Them

  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2016 5:40 AM GMT
    CHARGERS, RAIDERS, RAMS SUBMIT APPLICATION TO RELOCATE TO LA

    http://abc7.com/news/san-diego-chargers-submit-application-to-relocate-to-los-angeles/1146441/
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2016 5:42 AM GMT
    I'm glad I don't live on that side of LA.
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2016 5:53 AM GMT
    Carson Stadium


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Stadium
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2016 5:53 AM GMT
    Here is a video from August

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 05, 2016 3:33 PM GMT
    Well with St Louis still locked in the firm grip of economic and population decline and its whole metropolitan region being largely stagnant combined with both the Rams and the NFL's dissatisfaction with the existing downtown NFL stadium, I see the Rams returning home to LA and re establishing themselves as the Los Angeles Rams and making much more money in Los Angeles than in St Louis.
    Oakland is barely putting up a fight to keep the Raiders probably because the Raiders stink and Oakland natives and folks from its suburbs are sick and damned tired of supporting a franchise that will not produce. Oakland does sorely need new professional venues for the Raiders and the A's but the ultra leftist democrats who have run that city into the sewer pandering to the unmotivated urban poor in Oakland's rough inner city neighborhoods have made any viable funding for new stadiums next to impossible.
    San Diego is dealing with a franchise owner who is ungrateful and doesn't give a shit about the people of San Diego and its environs. San Diego has tried working with the Chargers owner and the NFL hierarchy all to no avail. How horribly sad. Probably it is time for San Diego sports fans to end their love affair and support for the Chargers and the NFL and tell them to go ahead and move to LA. The people of San Diego are very resourceful and I am sure that they will pursue other sports and athletic activities to substitute for the loss of the Chargers. Probably this could be a golden opportunity for San Diego to expand into the soccer league and have a franchise in the sport that is very popular throughout much of the world.
  • joxguy

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    Jan 05, 2016 4:37 PM GMT
    Long time Chargers season ticket holder, 45 year to be accurate. The Rams need to move back to LA, the only fans north of San Diego are people in Orange County and Riverside County. People who actually live in LA have no interest in the Chargers.

    My prediction is that the league will put this off a year, because they know if they do San Diego will be able to come up with a plan to build a new stadium downtown, where the Charger prefer to play.

    Since I have followed this team for so long, you know I champion lost causes.
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    Jan 05, 2016 7:17 PM GMT
    Nothing wrong with liking lost causes, but when it comes to public funds for private business I say no. Tax and property incentives are OK provided a benefit to the public can be demonstrated, but with pro sports ticket prices and players' salaries - and egos - as high as they are, I say NO! Besides, college sports are so much more exciting. If SD loses the Chargers, so be it; it'll be a win overall.
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2016 8:01 PM GMT
    ^
    I agree with you there.
  • jock5827

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    Jan 05, 2016 11:12 PM GMT
    St. Louis and Oakland have their problems, but I also think that they can still be great communities without professional football. Stadiums are a colossal waste of money, and it's ridiculous for extremely wealthy franchises to force cash-strapped cities and counties to pay for venues. One could at least make the argument that a basketball/hockey arena can also serve as a concert venue twelve months of the year, but some of these large open-air stadiums for football are largely unused for big chunks of the year, and if the franchise isn't a storied team with a great record, the stands can sit unfilled even during the fall.

    "Judith Grant Long, a Harvard University professor of urban planning, calculates that league-wide, 70 percent of the capital cost of NFL stadiums has been provided by taxpayers, not NFL owners. Many cities, counties, and states also pay the stadiums’ ongoing costs, by providing power, sewer services, other infrastructure, and stadium improvements. When ongoing costs are added, Long’s research finds, the Buffalo Bills, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, New Orleans Saints, San Diego Chargers, St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and Tennessee Titans have turned a profit on stadium subsidies alone—receiving more money from the public than they needed to build their facilities. Long’s estimates show that just three NFL franchises—the New England Patriots, New York Giants, and New York Jets—have paid three-quarters or more of their stadium capital costs."

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/
  • metta

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    Jan 06, 2016 1:42 AM GMT
    ^
    That is why LA has not had an NFL team for many years. We are not willing to pay for it. In the past, the NFL has used LA to threaten other cities to cough up money or they will go to LA. I don't care if we have one or not as long as it is not near me.
  • bro4bro

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    Jan 06, 2016 4:49 AM GMT
    Add to that, LA has really always been more of a basketball town than a football town. And let's face it, we already have a pro football team here - the USC Trojans. They aren't paid quite as highly as an NFL team but they have a better record than those other three, even in a bad year.
  • Garrett_S60

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    Jan 06, 2016 2:32 PM GMT
    I currently live in St Louis, but am not a Rams fan. That being said LA couldn't come close to filling stands when the Rams and Raiders were both challenging for Superbowls, and had to relocate because of that. Now they want to try again? I think it would be a mistake for any of these teams to move, especially to LA where the number of die hard football fans isn't great enough to fill whichever monstrosity they build.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 06, 2016 2:36 PM GMT
    joxguy saidLong time Chargers season ticket holder, 45 year to be accurate. The Rams need to move back to LA, the only fans north of San Diego are people in Orange County and Riverside County. People who actually live in LA have no interest in the Chargers.

    My prediction is that the league will put this off a year, because they know if they do San Diego will be able to come up with a plan to build a new stadium downtown, where the Charger prefer to play.

    Since I have followed this team for so long, you know I champion lost causes.
    NFL football stadiums do not belong in downtown areas, period.
  • Garrett_S60

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    Jan 06, 2016 4:39 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    joxguy saidLong time Chargers season ticket holder, 45 year to be accurate. The Rams need to move back to LA, the only fans north of San Diego are people in Orange County and Riverside County. People who actually live in LA have no interest in the Chargers.

    My prediction is that the league will put this off a year, because they know if they do San Diego will be able to come up with a plan to build a new stadium downtown, where the Charger prefer to play.

    Since I have followed this team for so long, you know I champion lost causes.
    NFL football stadiums do not belong in downtown areas, period.


    I would disagree since before any after games it would increase all sales in surrounding bars/restaurants. Plus since it's a sunday the additional traffic wouldn't be an issue.
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    Jan 06, 2016 10:45 PM GMT
    BREAKING: NFL to merge all three teams into the "L.A. Crammers."
























    Okay, not really. icon_razz.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 07, 2016 3:39 AM GMT
    Garrett_S60 said
    roadbikeRob said
    joxguy saidLong time Chargers season ticket holder, 45 year to be accurate. The Rams need to move back to LA, the only fans north of San Diego are people in Orange County and Riverside County. People who actually live in LA have no interest in the Chargers.

    My prediction is that the league will put this off a year, because they know if they do San Diego will be able to come up with a plan to build a new stadium downtown, where the Charger prefer to play.

    Since I have followed this team for so long, you know I champion lost causes.
    NFL football stadiums do not belong in downtown areas, period.


    I would disagree since before any after games it would increase all sales in surrounding bars/restaurants. Plus since it's a sunday the additional traffic wouldn't be an issue.
    Football stadiums belong in the suburbs because they are too car centric. Furthermore today's NFL wants the fans to spend ALL THEIR MONEY inside the stadium as evidenced by all the newest NFL venues containing all the dining and entertainment inside the stadium in addition to the football games. So these architectural monstrosities should be restricted to suburban locations. The NFL doesn't want the bars and restaurants in nearby areas profiting from their fans coming and going to the games, the NFL is the one who wants all the fans money going just to them.
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    Jan 07, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    I don't care if Los Angeles gets a team but San Diego and St. Louis should remain nfl cities. Plus the Rams owner seems like a real scum bag. Both Los Angeles and St. Louis deserve better.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 07, 2016 10:03 PM GMT
    ALRboy saidI don't care if Los Angeles gets a team but San Diego and St. Louis should remain nfl cities. Plus the Rams owner seems like a real scum bag. Both Los Angeles and St. Louis deserve better.
    How about Oaklandicon_question.gif Why should St Louis remain an NFL city when it is in steady urban decline with no end in sighticon_question.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 11, 2016 9:09 PM GMT
    Proposal Emerges For Chargers and Rams to Share New NFL Stadium in Inglewood

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2016/01/los_angeles_nfl_stadium_chargers_rams_inglewood_compromise.php
  • metta

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    Jan 14, 2016 8:23 AM GMT
    The Rams Are Coming Back to Los Angeles, and the Chargers Might Join Them

    "poised to be the NFL's biggest and most expensive venue, with a price tag well over $2 billion. (It'd be the priciest sports venue in the nation's history, too.)"

    " NFL owners approve the Rams moving to Inglewood, according to a person who witnessed the vote. Chargers have option to join them."

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2016/01/football_rams_back_in_los_angeles.php
  • metta

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    Jan 14, 2016 8:28 AM GMT
    Take a Good Look Around Los Angeles's Future NFL Stadium

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2016/01/nfl_stadium_inglewood_los_angeles_rams.php
  • metta

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    Jan 14, 2016 8:37 AM GMT

    The High Public Cost of the Proposed Inglewood NFL Stadium


    "Kroenke is financing the plan, but the public will also have to kick in a significant amount in the form of tax rebates."

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2015/01/the_high_public_cost_of_the_proposed_inglewood_nfl_stadium.php


  • metta

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    Jan 18, 2016 1:07 AM GMT
    Every Mayor in America Should Look at What Just Happened in St. Louis

    "Meanwhile, the city and county of St. Louis will still pay at least $6 million apiece per year until 2021 to pay off bonds sold to construct and maintain the Edward Jones Dome, which opened in 1995. (The Rams paid a meager $500,000 per year to use the dome.) And then there's the more than $3 million in public funds used to develop a $1 billion riverfront stadium proposal to keep the Rams—a pitch NFL Commissioner Roger Gooddell knocked as "inadequate" and "unsatisfactory."


    http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2016/01/st-louis-pay-edward-jones-dome-los-angeles
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 27, 2016 2:47 AM GMT
    metta saidEvery Mayor in America Should Look at What Just Happened in St. Louis

    "Meanwhile, the city and county of St. Louis will still pay at least $6 million apiece per year until 2021 to pay off bonds sold to construct and maintain the Edward Jones Dome, which opened in 1995. (The Rams paid a meager $500,000 per year to use the dome.) And then there's the more than $3 million in public funds used to develop a $1 billion riverfront stadium proposal to keep the Rams—a pitch NFL Commissioner Roger Gooddell knocked as "inadequate" and "unsatisfactory."


    http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2016/01/st-louis-pay-edward-jones-dome-los-angeles
    You know what, the city of St Louis and the state of Missouri should jointly file a massive lawsuit against both the Rams and the NFL seeking financial damages that will cover the remaining bonds on their football stadium and also money for possible demolition and clearance of that football stadium to free up that prime land for future redevelopment that could greatly benefit the people of St Louis, something that would bring business in and create decent paying jobs. This is why I have grown disillusioned with the NFL, they are among the biggest corporate welfare cheats in the US.
  • metta

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    Jan 30, 2016 6:26 AM GMT
    Chargers to stay in San Diego for now, but have deal with Los Angeles Rams

    "The team has decided to stay in San Diego for at least one more season but also has agreed on a deal to share a new stadium in Los Angeles with the Los Angeles Rams.

    Plan A right now is San Diego. Plan B is Los Angeles."


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/01/29/chargers-move-agreement-los-angeles-rams-san-diego-nfl/79529772/