Flint Michigan- another Republican controlled state, another Republican criminal disaster. Gov caves in, calls National Guard

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    Jan 09, 2016 8:37 PM GMT
    Lead paint in housing, there are laws, especially here in CA that home sellers and landlords disclose lead used in construction. I cant imagine knowing, willfully, letting people drink water contaminated with lead when WE ALL KNOW lead poisoning is a slow illness or death sentence. Another 'let them (liberals) die', unregulated republican philosophy

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    Calls For Arrest Of Michigan Governor As Poisoned Water Scandal Explodes
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/oklahoma-has-30-earthquakes-in-the-last-19-hours/212598/

    Calls for Michigan Governor Rick Snyder’s ouster—and arrest—are growing after internal emails showed that his high-level staffers were aware of lead poisoning in Flint’s public water supply six months before the administration declared a state of emergency.

    The Republican governor appointed Flint emergency manager Darnell Earley who enforced the April 2014 decision to switch from the Detroit system to the Flint River to source water. In an angry letter to Snyder, filmmaker and Flint native Michael Moore wrote:

    Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River was poison — but you decided that taking over the city and “cutting costs” to “balance the budget” was more important than the people’s health (not to mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders.) So you cut off the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint (including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River — a body of “water” where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a chemical in this water to “clean” it — which only ended up stripping the lead off of Flint’s aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and sending it straight into people’s taps.

    Moore, in fact, is circulating a petition calling on U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch to arrest Snyder for “corruption and assault.”
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    Jan 10, 2016 6:14 AM GMT
    ELNathB saidLead paint in housing, there are laws, especially here in CA that home sellers and landlords disclose lead used in construction. I cant imagine knowing, willfully, letting people drink water contaminated with lead when WE ALL KNOW lead poisoning is a slow illness or death sentence. Another 'let them (liberals) die', unregulated republican philosophy

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    Calls For Arrest Of Michigan Governor As Poisoned Water Scandal Explodes
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/oklahoma-has-30-earthquakes-in-the-last-19-hours/212598/

    Calls for Michigan Governor Rick Snyder’s ouster—and arrest—are growing after internal emails showed that his high-level staffers were aware of lead poisoning in Flint’s public water supply six months before the administration declared a state of emergency.

    The Republican governor appointed Flint emergency manager Darnell Earley who enforced the April 2014 decision to switch from the Detroit system to the Flint River to source water. In an angry letter to Snyder, filmmaker and Flint native Michael Moore wrote:

    Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River was poison — but you decided that taking over the city and “cutting costs” to “balance the budget” was more important than the people’s health (not to mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders.) So you cut off the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint (including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River — a body of “water” where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a chemical in this water to “clean” it — which only ended up stripping the lead off of Flint’s aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and sending it straight into people’s taps.

    Moore, in fact, is circulating a petition calling on U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch to arrest Snyder for “corruption and assault.”
    Flint is one of several older northern US cities that has been horribly mismanaged by the corrupt, incompetent Democratic Party for decades. It is the democrats horribly failed urban policies that caused Flint and most other northern cities to decline and suffer a shrinking tax base which in turn pressured this city to defer maintenance and repair to its water system. If it were not for Governor Rick Snyder's administration, Flint would have had to declare bankruptcy just like Detroit. In fact Flint was knocking on bankruptcy's door it was so mismanaged and broke thanks to decades of monolithic rule of the donkey dorks in city hall. So place the blame for the contaminated water supply right where it belongs, on the doorstep of the Democratic Party whose politicians have ran Flint and most other older northern US cities into the sewer with their corruption, nepotism, and their endless pandering to corrupt organized labor, organized crime, and the unmotivated urban poor. Governor Rick Snyder inherited these serious problems from the previous tax and spend democratic administration who literally ran the entire state of Michigan into the sewer. Michigan was the only state to lose population from 2000 to 2010. It has since been on a rebound since Rick Snyder took office and started cleaning house in Lansing.




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    Jan 10, 2016 1:23 PM GMT
    Right. GM's closing their plants and moving out of Flint have nothing to do with that city's economic decline.
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    Jan 10, 2016 1:28 PM GMT
    OP, republicans wouldn't enact policies just because they hurt liberals. It's the poor they hate.
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    Jan 10, 2016 2:55 PM GMT
    javelin7 saidOP, republicans wouldn't enact policies just because they hurt liberals. It's the poor they hate.
    It is the unmotivated urban poor who need these republican policies to get them off their asses and start doing more for themselves rather than just sit on their ass at home and depend on free government handouts courtesy of the taxpayers. icon_mad.gif
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    This should have been declared a state emergency with help from FEMA, fucking derelict republican, I am sure if the governor was Grandmole, she would be all over this icon_twisted.gif


    Michigan’s Snyder facing nation’s most serious scandal
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/michigans-snyder-facing-nations-most-serious-scandal


    As regular viewers know, The Rachel Maddow Show has devoted a great deal of time to the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, but if you haven’t been focused on this scandal yet, it’s important to get up to speed

    Right now, the State of Michigan should be able to say that it has ensured the delivery of bottled water and water filters to every Flint resident whose drinking water has been contaminated by lead…. Instead, the governor is offering placid responses and slow-walking important remedies, while the investigation into how one of Michigan’s greatest man-made public health crises unfolded comes up with explanations in dribs and drabs.

    It’s not just derelict – it invokes inglorious comparison to other callous and insensitive official responses to tragedy. Think of the shameful federal response to Hurricane Katrina, where the same lack of urgency delayed life-saving aid. The poverty rate in Flint is 40%; 52% of Flint residents are African-American. And so we are prompted to ask: How would the state have responded to a crisis of such proportions in a community with more wealth and power?
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    Jan 12, 2016 3:56 AM GMT
    ELNathB said
    This should have been declared a state emergency with help from FEMA, fucking derelict republican, I am sure if the governor was Grandmole, she would be all over this icon_twisted.gif


    Michigan’s Snyder facing nation’s most serious scandal
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/michigans-snyder-facing-nations-most-serious-scandal


    As regular viewers know, The Rachel Maddow Show has devoted a great deal of time to the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, but if you haven’t been focused on this scandal yet, it’s important to get up to speed

    Right now, the State of Michigan should be able to say that it has ensured the delivery of bottled water and water filters to every Flint resident whose drinking water has been contaminated by lead…. Instead, the governor is offering placid responses and slow-walking important remedies, while the investigation into how one of Michigan’s greatest man-made public health crises unfolded comes up with explanations in dribs and drabs.

    It’s not just derelict – it invokes inglorious comparison to other callous and insensitive official responses to tragedy. Think of the shameful federal response to Hurricane Katrina, where the same lack of urgency delayed life-saving aid. The poverty rate in Flint is 40%; 52% of Flint residents are African-American. And so we are prompted to ask: How would the state have responded to a crisis of such proportions in a community with more wealth and power?
    Dont just blame the Snyder administration for this serious crisis. Blame it on the endless years of democratic monolithic rule in Flint city hall. The horrible mismanagement of Flint is the end result of keeping one political party in power in city government for way too damned long. But most voters in the older northern US cities just keep making the same horrible mistake by electing and reelecting tax and spend democratic politicians.


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    Jan 12, 2016 4:02 AM GMT
    mass extermination lol [FOOLS]
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    Jan 12, 2016 4:33 AM GMT
    Hypertrophile saidRight. GM's closing their plants and moving out of Flint have nothing to do with that city's economic decline.


    they build crap cars .
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    Jan 12, 2016 6:17 AM GMT
    Look at all the idiots babbling to themselves in a vacuum.

    First: The whole region is a toxic sump. The soil, the water, the air, the people. I used to work on soil contamination around there in the 80's. You can't find anything that isn't horrifying.

    Second: None of the retard reporters who have been covering this story have the first clue. Nor any of the knee-jerk reactionaries masturbating over the story.

    Third: Drinking water in big eastern cities is all engineered to try to reduce corrosion of old plumbing. There is tons of lead in the pipes, in the old mains, and in the old buildings. Any sort of change in water chemistry is going to stir things up. I'm sure the water itself tested perfectly safe. It HAS to be tested six zillion ways before it can be used. But nobody knew what was going to happen when it started getting pumped through the old systems full of sediment, corrosion, and old lead solder.

    Fourth: Switching back and forth is just going to make everything worse.
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    Jan 12, 2016 6:22 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Hypertrophile saidRight. GM's closing their plants and moving out of Flint have nothing to do with that city's economic decline.


    they build crap cars .


    Such as?
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    Jan 13, 2016 10:05 PM GMT

    The people have already been poisoned, a little too late icon_rolleyes.gif



    National Guard called up to help in Flint, Michigan water crisis
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-guard-called-up-to-help-in-flint-michigan-water-crisis/

    Members of the Michigan National Guard were headed to Flint to help dole out bottled water, filters and other supplies to residents dealing with a drinking water crisis that began months ago.

    Gov. Rick Snyder late Tuesday activated the National Guard, and some members were expected to arrive as soon as Wednesday to assist state authorities and volunteers in the distribution effort that was already underway.

    Flint's tap water became contaminated with too much lead after the city switched its water supply in 2014 to save money while under state financial management. Local officials first declared a public health emergency in October in response to tests that showed children with elevated levels of lead.

    Snyder on Tuesday also requested support from the Federal Emergency Management Agency in coordinating a recovery plan with other federal agencies that have the programs, authorities or technical expertise to help. FEMA appointed a disaster recovery coordinator to assist, spokesman Rafael Lemaitre said.



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    Jan 13, 2016 11:33 PM GMT
    People have already been poisoned. Brown must go

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2016/01/aliso_canyon_southern_california_gas_company_porter_ranch_gas_leak_methane_counter.php

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    Jan 14, 2016 4:22 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidPeople have already been poisoned. Brown must go

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2016/01/aliso_canyon_southern_california_gas_company_porter_ranch_gas_leak_methane_counter.php

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    The difference is that California is an industrial accident. The State did not operate that gas well.

    Whereas the lead poisoning in Flint, Michigan was caused by the State's Republican Administration. Which took over much of the city's control, and decided to draw cheaper water from the Flint River. Causing the lead poisoning that occurred in the water supply. And which the State was slow to admit and correct.

    The 2 situations are not the same or comparable. One is a private industry accident, the other directly caused by the State itself.
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:01 AM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidPeople have already been poisoned. Brown must go

    http://la.curbed.com/archives/2016/01/aliso_canyon_southern_california_gas_company_porter_ranch_gas_leak_methane_counter.php

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    The difference is that California is an industrial accident. The State did not operate that gas well.

    Whereas the lead poisoning in Flint, Michigan was caused by the State's Republican Administration. Which took over much of the city's control, and decided to draw cheaper water from the Flint River. Causing the lead poisoning that occurred in the water supply. And which the State was slow to admit and correct.

    The 2 situations are not the same or comparable. One is a private industry accident, the other directly caused by the State itself.


    By a heavily regulated state utility. State oversite missing in action?
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:55 AM GMT
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    By a heavily regulated state utility. State oversite missing in action?

    "Heavy regulated" is not the same as directly controlled, where the State of Michigan made the decision to switch the city water supply to the Flint River, overriding the wishes of the local Flint authorities.

    A regulated industry can still experience equipment failures and human error. What happened in Flint was the result of a deliberate decision by the government of the State of Michigan, for the sole purpose of saving money. Your comparison still fails.
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    By a heavily regulated state utility. State oversite missing in action?

    "Heavy regulated" is not the same as directly controlled, where the State of Michigan made the decision to switch the city water supply to the Flint River, overriding the wishes of the local Flint authorities. Your comparison still fails.


    'Heavily regulated' in in the state of CALIFORNIA is pretty much the same as direct control.

    And ignoring the decades of democrat control in Michigan, which many believe brought them to the situation of municipal BKs, what would your line be if the current admin in MI was democrats and Cali, Republicans? Would you change your tune a bit?
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    Jan 14, 2016 3:42 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
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    By a heavily regulated state utility. State oversite missing in action?

    "Heavy regulated" is not the same as directly controlled, where the State of Michigan made the decision to switch the city water supply to the Flint River, overriding the wishes of the local Flint authorities. Your comparison still fails.

    'Heavily regulated' in in the state of CALIFORNIA is pretty much the same as direct control.

    And ignoring the decades of democrat control in Michigan, which many believe brought them to the situation of municipal BKs, what would your line be if the current admin in MI was democrats and Cali, Republicans? Would you change your tune a bit?

    Not any bit. The fault in Michigan was heavy-handed meddling by the State administration, and then delayed admission of the problem they had caused. Would have applied to whichever political party controlled the governor's office.
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:25 PM GMT
    This whole ordeal makes me sad. icon_cry.gif
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:28 PM GMT
    Whether it's Flint, Porter Ranch, or Louisiana. Government actors providing cover for industry over the will of their own residents never ends well.
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:29 PM GMT
    http://flintwaterstudy.org/
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:43 PM GMT
    http://flintwaterstudy.org/2015/12/some-common-misunderstandings-of-flints-water-lead-problem/

    Va. Tech Prof. Michael Edwards, for Flint Water Study
    1) Myth: The lead in water is coming from the home plumbing of Flint consumers.


    Fact: The worst water lead problems have been associated with city owned lead service pipes. Some people have estimated that about half of Flint’s homes are served by lead service lines, but in reality no one really knows how many pipes are present or even where they are. Even if the entire city of Flint had lead free home plumbing, there still would have been a serious lead in water problem.

    2) Myth: If the city of Flint, its consumers and schools had been investing and “upgrading their infrastructure” or their “fixtures,” they would not be having a lead in water problem.

    Fact: It is so costly to completely replace plumbing infrastructure including:
    1) pure lead service pipes (often city owned),
    2) pipes with lead solder (legal and the standard until 1986),
    3) galvanized iron pipes (often contains lead), and
    4) brass plumbing devices containing lead (standard until January 2014)

    that very few consumers, cities and schools have “upgraded” their infrastructure in a manner that could have stopped this problem. If Federal laws that require corrosion control were violated, as they were in Flint, most major U.S. cities also would have had a very serious lead-in-water problem.

    3) Myth: “Flint residents got what they paid for…” or “Flint could not afford to treat their water correctly.”

    Fact: (Michigan Department of Environmental Quality's) MDEQ’s decision to not install corrosion control after switching to the corrosive Flint River source, was a financial disaster that will eventually cost Flint consumers and the City on the order of a hundred million dollars in damaged infrastructure. Each $1 dollar invested in corrosion control typically saves $5-10 in plumbing damage avoided, so it is a wise investment. For reasons to be discussed in a future column, the return on investment for corrosion control in Flint would have been much, much higher. The failure to install corrosion control in Flint, was the financial equivalent of “pulling the plug” on a city that was already on life support.

    4) Myth: “Each city should be able to decide the quality of water they receive….,”

    Fact: There are Federal laws that set enforceable minimum standards that every city must have, which includes a requirement for corrosion control and stringent monitoring of lead. These laws should have been followed in Flint.

    5) Myth: Flint has always met EPA Standards for lead in water.

    Fact: MDEQ violated the letter and spirit of the Federal Lead and Copper Rule in at least 3 different ways in Flint– each of which made it falsely appear that Flint’s water was safe when it was not. On the heels of excellent reporting by ACLU-Michigan, the City of Flint itself acknowledges it did not sample enough of the required homes with lead pipe. Simply put, Flint has not had a legal EPA water lead sampling event since switching to Flint River (and possibly even before that).

    6) Myth: Other cities in Michigan and throughout the U.S. have worse water lead problems.

    Fact: While there is little doubt that the 25 year old Federal lead law has loopholes and is not achieving its original intent, we are not aware of another city in the U.S. with a lead problem as bad as Flint’s (since the 2001-2006 Water Lead Crisis in Washington D.C.)

    7) Myth: Lead in Flint water is now “safe” or is still “unsafe.”

    Fact: No one really knows the current status of lead in Flint’s water supply. We have taken the position that until Flint actually passes a round of legitimate EPA lead and copper rule monitoring–it should be assumed unsafe for cooking or drinking.

    8 ) Myth: Lead in water is normally a “minor source of lead in blood,” or contributes “less than 20% of lead in blood.”

    Fact: The actual Federally mandated language states that water lead contributes “20% or more” to blood lead not “20% or less.” It further states that for infants with formula, lead in water can be almost the sole source to lead in blood. Interestingly, early this year we traced the genesis of misinformation that lead in water contributes “20% or less” to lead in blood... It actually all started with a typo in public education materials of a water utility, and then EPA started citing the language with the typo, and the erroneous language was attributed to EPA. In any case, when we brought the mistake to their attention, the utility and EPA finally corrected the 10+ years old error. The “less than 20%” urban legend language was cited by CDC, utilities, EPA and public health departments, to downplay water lead dangers to children, and it was also cited by MDEQ last week.
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
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    By a heavily regulated state utility. State oversite missing in action?

    "Heavy regulated" is not the same as directly controlled, where the State of Michigan made the decision to switch the city water supply to the Flint River, overriding the wishes of the local Flint authorities. Your comparison still fails.

    'Heavily regulated' in in the state of CALIFORNIA is pretty much the same as direct control.

    And ignoring the decades of democrat control in Michigan, which many believe brought them to the situation of municipal BKs, what would your line be if the current admin in MI was democrats and Cali, Republicans? Would you change your tune a bit?

    Not any bit. The fault in Michigan was heavy-handed meddling by the State administration, and then delayed admission of the problem they had caused. Would have applied to whichever political party controlled the governor's office.


    Illustrating this, Gov. Jerry Brown (D) is getting no reprieve, and little trust, for the mess created by SoCalGas. Here's why:

    http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20151218/sister-of-california-gov-jerry-brown-on-socalgas-board

    LA Daily NewsSAN FRANCISCO >> Gov. Jerry Brown’s sister is a paid board member of the company that owns a natural-gas well whose leak is forcing thousands from their Southern California homes, and a watchdog group and the governor’s aides disagree over whether that makes a conflict of interest for the governor...

    “While we are enthused the Governor seems to be aware of the Porter Ranch Gas Leak, we are scratching our heads trying to figure out where he’s been,” said Matt Pakucko, president of Save Porter Ranch, a San Fernando Valley-based advocacy group, in a statement. “Eight weeks into a crisis that has relocated thousands of our neighbors and disrupted our community, and Jerry Brown still won’t acknowledge his constituents.

    “He continues to ignore us while this gas leak unravels his reputation as a so-called climate leader.”

    He said Porter Ranch residents stand with Los Angeles County and Councilman Mitch Englander in their demand that the Governor declare a state of emergency.

    He added that the Aliso Canyon Storage Facility is too old and dangerous, and the regulatory apparatus too dysfunctional, for Southern California Gas Co to continue operating it, and demanded its immediate closure.

    “Governor Brown’s silence on the Porter Ranch gas leak is immoral and egregious given his conflict of interest and close ties to Sempra,” said Alexandra Nagy, a spokeswoman for Food & Water Watch, an environmental group based in Los Angeles. “A real climate leader wouldn’t let family ties get in the way of protecting Californians from a massive public health and climate disaster.”

    Both said Brown needs to stand up for the community by declaring a state of Emergency and work to shut down the Aliso Canyon gas storage field.

    Brown’s sister, Kathleen L. Brown, a lawyer and a former California state treasurer in the 1990s, has served as a director of Sempra Energy since 2013, receiving $188,380 in salary last year. Federal filings show she also holds stock in the company currently worth about $400,000.

    A New York-based citizens’ oversight group, Public Accountability Initiative, raised the issue this week, faulting the governor for not publicly addressing his sister’s role with the company in the gas leak.

    “It is a conflict of interest and it’s a conflict of interest that needs to be managed transparently and openly,” said Kevin Connor, the group’s director.


    Whether you're Jerry Brown, Jay Nixon (Ferguson), or any Dem official, if you're screwing up, the public will let you hear about it. And your D is not a shield for faulty leadership. It should work the same way with the R, although some will prefer to deflect the issues instead of holding their preferred leaders accountable.
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    Jan 14, 2016 6:03 PM GMT
    Meanwhile, in Detroit:

    635799194062093082-Petcoke-100815-0006-J

    (no, that's not one of those 2013 Petcoke mounds. That's a 2015 "Coke Breeze" mound. TOTALLY different, somehow! icon_wink.gif )

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2015/10/11/piles-again-rise-along-detroit-river-but-not-pet-coke/73586160/

    BTW, whatever happened with the Petcoke mounds that were getting shipped back-and-forth between Detroit and Chicago? Anybody know?
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    Jan 14, 2016 10:54 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    By a heavily regulated state utility. State oversite missing in action?

    "Heavy regulated" is not the same as directly controlled, where the State of Michigan made the decision to switch the city water supply to the Flint River, overriding the wishes of the local Flint authorities. Your comparison still fails.

    'Heavily regulated' in in the state of CALIFORNIA is pretty much the same as direct control.

    And ignoring the decades of democrat control in Michigan, which many believe brought them to the situation of municipal BKs, what would your line be if the current admin in MI was democrats and Cali, Republicans? Would you change your tune a bit?

    Not any bit. The fault in Michigan was heavy-handed meddling by the State administration, and then delayed admission of the problem they had caused. Would have applied to whichever political party controlled the governor's office.
    The fault in Flint, Michigan was primarily caused by decades of monolithic rule by the corrupt, incompetent Democratic Party and their horribly failed urban policies. Infrastructure and other important services were mostly neglected because the donkey dorks were blowing all the money on downtown renewal and revitalization projects which ended up abject, costly failures while the neighborhoods in Flint and most other older northern US cities were forgotten and left to fend for themselves.