GOP Panic Over Permanent Rupture In The Party

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    Jan 10, 2016 2:53 AM GMT
    NYT: The Republican Party is facing a split over its principles and identity, as its establishment grapples with an eruption of class tensions, ethnic resentments and mistrust.

    “I know Republicans who will support Hillary if Trump or Cruz is the nominee, no question,” Dick Thornburgh, an attorney general under President George Bush and a former Pennsylvania governor, said of Hillary Clinton. “Trump, especially, would split the party. But many will fall in line, seeing no choice.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/us/politics/for-republicans-mounting-fears-of-lasting-split.html
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 10, 2016 3:05 AM GMT
    Although I like Sanders, I think we need Hillary Clinton's combination of political prowess and celebrity status to go against Trump's playboy celebrity status. They're both household names, but obviously Clinton is the only viable choice. Trump just won't get the women's vote. He's a misogynist, and Clinton will be the woman to take him down. He'll be finished in this country.

    Hillary Clinton will make the best next POTUS, and hopefully we can keep the GOP's WWE antics out of Washington for another eight years.
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    Jan 10, 2016 7:43 AM GMT
    I think there will be two independent candidates and one of them will win.
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    Jan 10, 2016 8:10 AM GMT

    I read this article earlier and I saved it to my favorites to reference as the Nov election nears

    However liberal the NY Times maybe in reporting, this article hit every major point in explaining the republican party faction(s). I just wish it referenced the Reagan Democrat and Dixiecrats (tea party majority) that are causing the establishment to crumble and the problems America has faced since their ugly party appeared 2008 in prep for a black president and a gay rights uprising.

    I wonder what a second republican party, made up of these people, would be called? How would the right wing nut jobs fit in to either party? Would the jesus religions have to split as well? This article mentions, the split party 'going underground', isn't that what they did anyway back in the days of the crusades? Its the modern day religious, christian zealot repeating history, no wonder these people continue to be stuck in time warp. icon_rolleyes.gif



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    Jan 10, 2016 11:38 AM GMT
    ELNathB said
    I wonder what a second republican party, made up of these people, would be called?


    They could always resurrect the Whig Party (although with Trump in charge, they could drop the "h").

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    Jan 10, 2016 1:13 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    ELNathB said
    I wonder what a second republican party, made up of these people, would be called?

    They could always resurrect the Whig Party (although with Trump in charge, they could drop the "h").

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    Interesting thought: if Trump becomes the Republican nominee, should they rename themselves the Whig Party? Revising the party name to the one that preceded the Republican Party and the outbreak of the Civil War? Given Trump's absurd appearance it would seem doubly appropriate.
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    Jan 10, 2016 3:41 PM GMT
    As a former Republican, who left the party during President Reagan's administration, I can forcibly say there is not one POTUS candidate in the GOP's clown car that I would even consider voting for.

    Unless you are a wealthy, uber conservative/extreme evangelical Pale Male, today's Republican party platform has NOTHING for you.

    Did "I" leave the GOP....or did the GOP leave ME?
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    Jan 10, 2016 3:45 PM GMT
    rnch saidAs a former Republican, who left the party during President Reagan's administration, I can forcibly say there is not one POTUS candidate in the GOP's clown car that I would even consider voting for.

    Unless you are a wealthy, uber conservative/extreme evangelical Pale Male, today's Republican party platform has NOTHING for you.

    Did "I" leave the GOP....or did the GOP leave ME?


    John Kasich
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    Jan 10, 2016 3:51 PM GMT
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    rnch saidAs a former Republican, who left the party during President Reagan's administration, I can forcibly say there is not one POTUS candidate in the GOP's clown car that I would even consider voting for.

    Unless you are a wealthy, uber conservative/extreme evangelical Pale Male, today's Republican party platform has NOTHING for you.

    Did "I" leave the GOP....or did the GOP leave ME?


    John Kasich







    JK would be my third choice; but still above ANY current GOP Clown Car rider.


    Regardless or who he or she may be; this former GOP supporter WILL vote for the Democratic POTUS candidate.
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    Jan 10, 2016 9:01 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    ELNathB said
    I wonder what a second republican party, made up of these people, would be called?


    They could always resurrect the Whig Party (although with Trump in charge, they could drop the "h").

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    I was not familiar with the history of Whig so I had to research, apparently there is the 'old school' history and now the 'modern' version with a new symbol, the all seeing Owl. The Owl is an Occult, freemasonic symbol, unlike the current elephant or donkey. In the original Whig, these people were anti masonic, so what happened with the new modern party, founded 2007? Are they now occultist?

    This would explain why 2008, these nut jobs came out of the woodwork in anticipation of the first black president and modern gay civil rights movement. ""Immediately after the election of November 4, 2008, a push began to attract moderate and conservative Democrats, and members of the Republican Party (GOP) who felt disenchanted with both the GOP's failings and its perception as moving further to the right""

    I agree, if the party splits, the Modern Whig would be appropriate. They must be forming a 'new religion' as well because the Owl holds spiritual, dark side powers


    Modern Whig Party
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Whig_Party

    The Modern Whig Party is an American political movement whose stated intention is to be a "party for all of us."[1] Founded by military veterans in 2009, the party describes itself as a mainstream, middle-of-the-road grassroots movement representing voters who do not strictly accept Republican and Democratic dogma.[2][3]

    The general platform of the Modern Whig Party relates to fiscal responsibility, strong national defense, and integrity and pragmatism in government. Members of the party have won a handful of local elections, either under other party labels or as independents. In recent years the party has not nominated candidates for any major office. The Modern Whig Party underwent a major overhaul of its structure and leadership in late 2014 and re-launched in the spring of 2015.



    Whig Party (United States)
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    The Whig Party was a political party active in the middle of the 19th century in the United States of America. Many of the early Presidents of the United States were members of the Whig Party.[1] Along with the rival Democratic Party, it was central to the Second Party System from the early 1830s to the mid-1850s.[2] It formed in opposition to the policies of President Andrew Jackson (in office 1829–37) and his Democratic Party. In particular, the Whigs supported the supremacy of Congress over the Presidency and favored a program of modernization, banking and economic protectionism to stimulate manufacturing. It appealed to entrepreneurs and planters, but had little appeal to farmers or unskilled workers. It included many active Protestants, and voiced a moralistic opposition to the Jacksonian Indian removal policies. The "Whig" name was chosen to echo the American Whigs of 1776, who fought for independence. "Whig" meant opposing tyranny.[3] Historian Frank Towers has specified a deep ideological divide:
    Democrats stood for the 'sovereignty of the people' as expressed in popular demonstrations, constitutional conventions, and majority rule as a general principle of governing, whereas Whigs advocated the rule of law, written and unchanging constitutions, and protections for minority interests against majority tyranny.[4]
    The Whig Party nominated for president such national political luminaries as Daniel Webster and their preeminent leader, Henry Clay of Kentucky. The Whig Party also nominated for president war-hero generals William Henry Harrison (in 1840), Zachary Taylor (in 184icon_cool.gif, and Winfield Scott (in 1852). In its two decades of existence, the Whig Party had two of its candidates, William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor, elected President. Both died in office. John Tyler succeeded to the Presidency after Harrison's death in 1841, but he was expelled from the party. Millard Fillmore, who became President after Taylor's death in 1850, was the last president under the Whig label.

    The party self-destructed because of the internal tension over the expansion of slavery to the territories. With deep fissures in the party on this question, the anti-slavery faction prevented the nomination for a full-term of its own incumbent, President Fillmore, in the 1852 presidential election; instead, the party nominated General Winfield Scott. Most Whig Party leaders eventually quit politics (as Abraham Lincoln did temporarily) or changed parties. The northern voter-base mostly gravitated to the new Republican Party. By the 1856 presidential election, the Whig Party had become defunct. The Constitutional Union Party enjoyed a moderate measure of success from conservative former Whigs (particularly in the Upper South) in the 1860 presidential election. In the South the party vanished, but Whig ideology as a policy orientation persisted for decades and played a major role in shaping the modernizing policies of the state governments during Reconstruction

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    Jan 10, 2016 9:24 PM GMT
    Besides being repetitive (slow news week?) I thought the article was sort of pointless. Obviously, as soon as the field narrows, all of the poll numbers will pile up on the one that isn't Trump. The nominee will just pretend that last year never happened. He never said any of those things. Flat-out lies work for these guys. Voters don't remember anything that happened before last Saturday, anyway.

    It just seems worse than usual because it started so early, and with so much money.
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    Jan 10, 2016 9:58 PM GMT
    I like to keep thing simple. If Trump gets the nomination I think the Party should be renamed the Whig Party, as I said above, and also spelled "Wig" as previously suggested. Or alternately the Toupee Party. Most Americans hearing "Whig" will think it means "Wig" anyway.
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    Jan 10, 2016 10:06 PM GMT
    I was going suggest the 'Flap Party' but some don't think that's the case either.


    http://qz.com/575952/a-hairdresser-explains-why-donald-trumps-hair-looks-like-that/
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:44 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidAlthough I like Sanders, I think we need Hillary Clinton's combination of political prowess and celebrity status to go against Trump's playboy celebrity status. They're both household names, but obviously Clinton is the only viable choice. Trump just won't get the women's vote. He's a misogynist, and Clinton will be the woman to take him down. He'll be finished in this country.

    Hillary Clinton will make the best next POTUS, and hopefully we can keep the GOP's WWE antics out of Washington for another eight years.
    No she will not be our next President you fucking idiot. She has no leadership skills so therefore she is totally unqualified for the Presidency. She is a power hungry, radical feminist whose only goal is to divide and conquer and polarize the American electorate. If it comes down to Clinton vs. Trump, than the Donald is the safer, more viable choice. You definitely need to permanently cut out the marijuana so you can start functioning like a normal responsible human being. You are such a fucking idiot.icon_mad.gif
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    roadbikeRob saidNo she will not be our next President you fucking idiot. She has no leadership skills so therefore she is totally unqualified for the Presidency. She is a power hungry, radical feminist whose only goal is to divide and conquer and polarize the American electorate. If it comes down to Clinton vs. Trump, than the Donald is the safer, more viable choice. You definitely need to permanently cut out the marijuana so you can start functioning like a normal responsible human being. You are such a fucking idiot.icon_mad.gif


    Watching your reaction to the next cycle is going to be fun. icon_lol.gif
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    rnch saidAs a former Republican, who left the party during President Reagan's administration, I can forcibly say there is not one POTUS candidate in the GOP's clown car that I would even consider voting for.

    Unless you are a wealthy, uber conservative/extreme evangelical Pale Male, today's Republican party platform has NOTHING for you.

    Did "I" leave the GOP....or did the GOP leave ME?


    That's where I used to feel for some of these guys. The conservative point of view can be of some good critique of the system particularly with regard to fiscal matters--which I think not devoid in the Democratic Party but emphasized in the Republican--but how to rule without a social component which is not oppressive. Thus the Republicans fail miserably, going against the very grain of America: "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    The more they cling, the less I feel for them.
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    Jan 11, 2016 5:29 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe saidAlthough I like Sanders, I think we need Hillary Clinton's combination of political prowess and celebrity status to go against Trump's playboy celebrity status. They're both household names, but obviously Clinton is the only viable choice. Trump just won't get the women's vote. He's a misogynist, and Clinton will be the woman to take him down. He'll be finished in this country.

    Hillary Clinton will make the best next POTUS, and hopefully we can keep the GOP's WWE antics out of Washington for another eight years.
    No she will not be our next President you fucking idiot. She has no leadership skills so therefore she is totally unqualified for the Presidency. She is a power hungry, radical feminist whose only goal is to divide and conquer and polarize the American electorate. If it comes down to Clinton vs. Trump, than the Donald is the safer, more viable choice. You definitely need to permanently cut out the marijuana so you can start functioning like a normal responsible human being. You are such a fucking idiot.icon_mad.gif

    You consider Trump to be a responsible human being? He just says whatever idiotic thing pops into his head. By 2017, he'll be a has-been in politics and in the entertainment industry. The only thing people will remember is the comb over, maybe.
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    Jan 11, 2016 10:47 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe saidAlthough I like Sanders, I think we need Hillary Clinton's combination of political prowess and celebrity status to go against Trump's playboy celebrity status. They're both household names, but obviously Clinton is the only viable choice. Trump just won't get the women's vote. He's a misogynist, and Clinton will be the woman to take him down. He'll be finished in this country.

    Hillary Clinton will make the best next POTUS, and hopefully we can keep the GOP's WWE antics out of Washington for another eight years.
    No she will not be our next President you fucking idiot. She has no leadership skills so therefore she is totally unqualified for the Presidency. She is a power hungry, radical feminist whose only goal is to divide and conquer and polarize the American electorate. If it comes down to Clinton vs. Trump, than the Donald is the safer, more viable choice. You definitely need to permanently cut out the marijuana so you can start functioning like a normal responsible human being. You are such a fucking idiot.icon_mad.gif

    You consider Trump to be a responsible human being? He just says whatever idiotic thing pops into his head. By 2017, he'll be a has-been in politics and in the entertainment industry. The only thing people will remember is the comb over, maybe.
    He is responsible when compared to Hillary who has had every damned thing handed to her on a silver platter and has the attitude that she is rightfully entitled to everything in life. Her lackluster political career is valid proof of her irresponsibility she makes up all kinds of excuses when things went horribly wrong under her watch and tries to cover it up and pass the buck. She is the worst and most horrendous excuse for a Presidential candidate and you idiot, leftist fools have no damn business supporting her. All of you leftist lunatics haven't learned your hard lesson about the hapless Hillary ho, she will make all kinds of wonderful campaign promises and be all nice and friendly to her loyal sycophantic supporters but right after she gets elected all of a sudden she avoids everybody and all her loyal sycophantic supporters will find themselves thrown under an approaching bus. Find another democratic candidate to support it is that plain, pure, and simple. Both Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley are far superior candidates and they are just as electable perhaps even more electable than that power hungry, incompetent, lying whore. Get your head out of your ass and support Bernie Sanders. Stop being so stupid and do something right in your miserable, beshitted, little life for a change. LEARN TO THINKicon_mad.gificon_exclaim.gif
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    Jan 12, 2016 12:41 AM GMT
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    roadbikeRob said...blah, blah, blah... />


    Watching your reaction to the next cycle is going to be fun. icon_lol.gif


    Yaassss! Watch the road rage with schadenfreud. jaja!