What do (White) people think of the alleged Cosby scandal? How do other Black men feel?

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    Jan 10, 2016 8:51 AM GMT
    Seems like this Cosby scandal is becoming the new OJ Simpson-like trial of the century. Just watched a Nbc or whatever documentary on it earlier today

    I'm just thinking to myself, here we go again. The image of the Black man continues to be demonized and demoralized in this country. Whether or not the allegations are true, I believe even if it did happen, there's got to be more to the story than It appears.

    I don't think people really understand what it's like to be a black persons shoes right now. The other day, I went to go meet a guy who responded to my ad. Granted, this was some rural, small college town in the Northwest...but this idiot opens the door and says, "oh, I thought you were white!". Then, he goes on how to say (mind you, before I was even invited in) how he's had bad experiences with Black men...insinuating somehow that I'm to blame for whatever bullshit he made up. I didn't even get mad cause he was ugly, but I did tell him he's ignorant and closed minded and it's pretty sad.

    I'm really starting to lose faith in the progress of American psyche and progress. It's like we keep going backwards, and the more the media feeds this idea that Black men are sneaky, conniving or dangerous...people start to run with it. And I see it in the way they act.

    I've become more observant around how people act. I'll go places, white people just stare and look. Dead stare, no blinking, as if they don't know it's rude to stare....but they do it anyway to make me feel like I don't belong. The overall treatment from some of them is very sheisty and just rude. Especially the older ones. It's like people are becoming afraid and hate you just because you're black. It shows just in their indifference. Get in the middle/western part of the country, the predjudice is in full swing.

    As it all ties to the Cosby thing, allegations like that were enough to have a man burnt and hung less than a 100 years ago. So, to me all this stuff is ridiculous. I wonder how people would act if it was a famous white man (Charlie sheen) doing the same to a bunch of Black women? Probably wouldn't get much press and certainly no arrest.
  • venue35

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    Jan 10, 2016 1:59 PM GMT
    I think he's guilty..so many women have come forward.
    Why it took them so long is kind of strange however..
    I don't know why you are comparing him to OJ.
    I do not think there is a black man lynching aspect to any of this. Just like white people- black people are capable of commiting crimes.
    It's kind of sad seeing a man of his age going through this but maybe should have kept his urges in check.
    He's more than likely heading to prison for a long time.
    Sad.
  • tj85016

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    Jan 10, 2016 3:14 PM GMT
    I think Camille knew all about Bill's decades long rape-a-thon
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    Jan 10, 2016 3:20 PM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanAWhore saidThe overall treatment from some of them is very sheisty and just rude. Especially the older ones. It's like people are becoming afraid and hate you just because you're black. It shows just in their indifference. Get in the middle/western part of the country, the predjudice is in full swing.


    Speaking as one of the older people you seem a tad ageist about in your comment on racism--always so convenient to combine the two--I'd comment that just as I am a proud to be bleeding heart liberal online, in person in being just as friendly to black people as I am to white people whether passing by on one of my walks or at the supermarket, wherever, I more often than not find that I am met with either non friendliness or even what seems to my mind by their subtle gestures like suspicion (whether by their looking away or refusing acknowledgment, or their stare while they refuse to exchange greeting, by what have you) though I presume it is just fear. Fear not, I don't let their fear stop me from trying to alleviate that.

    But for someone who didn't work to think things out, such inactive reaction might play differently upon the white person's mind who also simply said hello. They might become suspicious. That not exchanging greeting might to them mean that the black person is up to something when he might have just been shying away in fear or even in disgust of a white person.

    Now it could be, and in my thinking I make allowance, that white treatment of blacks caused them to treat me like that, but even if so then that cycle has to break somewhere and when I greet a black person in passing with a friendly hello, just as I do with a Muslim or a run of the mill white person, haven't I done my part? What other acts would you have performed by the older person to help things along?

    As to this Cosby thing, though I have posted online the Bush pic going in for some so-called rapist phlegm, that's actually meant as anti GOP, not anti black. In my offline life I pay only minimal attention to that crap. I did see maybe two minutes of a recent show on Cosby before I flipped to another channel. I don't know what's true or false about it. I believe very little of what I see on TV generally. Having family for generations in entertainment, I'm long aware that TV is mostly for entertainment purposes only.

    On the other hand there does seem quite a bit of evidence mounting. Certainly there seemed quite a bit of evidence against the OJ person whose name, frankly, I don't even like to type here or even see ever. Since the acquittal, I've refused to watch a single thing about him.

    I don't look at that as a black white issue. Certainly Ted Bundy, A white Republican, got plenty of deserved press.
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    Jan 10, 2016 3:56 PM GMT
    A lot of black people wanna believe that white america is bringing Cosby down, but it's like America didn't bring Bill Cosby down, raping women brought Bill Cosby down. Blackness ain't got shit to do with it. #stopDefendingRapists
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    Jan 10, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
    This doesn't have anything to do with race. Its a huge story because it combines a lot of elements American love in entertainment; celebrity, scandal, betrayal, the fall of a powerful person, the shortcomings of a person who preached from a position of moral authority. All Paul Rubens did was jack off in an adult theater and look at the shit storm that caused.
  • tj85016

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    Jan 10, 2016 6:12 PM GMT
    ^^

    this has everything to do with rape
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    Jan 10, 2016 6:16 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    this has everything to do with rape


    Men rape women all of the time. The reason this is a big story is that a formerly beloved Actor, known for being clean and wholesome, who criticized young men for uncouth behavior, raped these women.

    Also it was a typo. I meant to say race lol. To say that it has everything to do with rape is to deny the American fascination with celebrity and scandal.
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    Jan 10, 2016 6:32 PM GMT
    I haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?
  • tj85016

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    Jan 10, 2016 7:21 PM GMT
    ^^

    lol Cosby is about as innocent as John Wilkes Booth
  • badbug

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    Jan 10, 2016 7:39 PM GMT
    I think if 30 plus women of varying ages and social status, living in different parts of the country, accuse you of rape that the chances are you might be a rapist.




  • mystery905

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    Jan 10, 2016 8:04 PM GMT
    Why does it always have to be abiut race?

    It's about a rapist period.
  • venue35

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    Jan 10, 2016 9:54 PM GMT
    timmm55 saidI haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?

    I thought if you are hiv+ you need to inform your sexual partners of the situation??
    He swears that he used condoms with all those women yet the woman who is suing him says otherwise.
    Who really knows the truth?
    That's why there are courts.
    Michael Jackson was on trial twice yet he was never found guilty..and to be found guilty you need solid evidence.
    So Bill Cosby will have his day in court as well.
    Innocent untill proven guilty.
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    Jan 10, 2016 10:46 PM GMT
    The whole situation breaks my heart because of how much I loved his comedy and his work before. If he's guilty, he needs to pay for his crimes. If not, well, this is a terrible injustice.

    Nobody other than him knows if he really raped ALL those women-- (the women themselves know individually whether or not they were raped I'm sure). The fact that there are so many does seem to look very bad for him. At worst, his idea of "rape" and everyone else's are pretty different, but that doesn't mean he isn't guilty of it.
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    Jan 10, 2016 11:13 PM GMT
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    timmm55 saidI haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?

    I thought if you are hiv+ you need to inform your sexual partners of the situation??
    He swears that he used condoms with all those women yet the woman who is suing him says otherwise.
    Who really knows the truth?
    That's why there are courts.
    Michael Jackson was on trial twice yet he was never found guilty..and to be found guilty you need solid evidence.
    So Bill Cosby will have his day in court as well.
    Innocent untill proven guilty.


    "Olson, an actress who reportedly appeared in hundreds of adult films, said she was not HIV-positive herself."

    He supposedly didn't use condoms with prostitutes or Olson. Other times he used lambskin condoms that are not recommended to prevent HIV.

    In a San Diego case where a man DID transmit HIV he got 6 months. Thomas Miguel Guerra, 30, pleaded no contest to violating a state health code that says, “any person afflicted with any contagious, infectious, or communicable disease who willfully exposes himself or herself to another person … is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

    In Iowa vs Rhoades, he was convicted and sentenced to 30 years. But that was overturned. The 'victim' initially didn't want to press charges, but law enforcement did. Rhoades was undetectable AND used a condom. The man was not infected.

    So there's no intent (undetectable so he assumed he wouldn't transmit) and in fact there were NO HIV INFECTIONS. I don't see Charlie going after the person who infected HIM! He did the responsible thing and became undetectable i.e. "non-infectious". I personally think he should have told all his partners. But if the chance of getting HIV is ZERO, it's more of a personal issue than a legal one.

    Oddly enough, if you are POZ and don't know it, you can not be prosecuted for transmitting HIV, even if you do.

    Cosby is another issue. Totally unrelated.
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:13 AM GMT
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    timmm55 saidI haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?

    I thought if you are hiv+ you need to inform your sexual partners of the situation??
    He swears that he used condoms with all those women yet the woman who is suing him says otherwise.
    Who really knows the truth?
    That's why there are courts.
    Michael Jackson was on trial twice yet he was never found guilty..and to be found guilty you need solid evidence.
    So Bill Cosby will have his day in court as well.
    Innocent untill proven guilty.



    I was also thinking about Michael Jackson. Once one person said he was molested, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon who was ever left alone with him. This happens to wealthy people all the time because they know they have the money to pay up. Doesn't necessarily mean there was any wrong doing, no matter how many people come forward. Best to wait and let the jury decide once they're presented with the facts.
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:16 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI've always liked Bill Cosby. From the time when he was on "Fat Albert" to "The Cosby Show" I've always enjoyed his work since I was a little kid and as a teenager.

    I'm really turned off by these allegations and I find it hard to believe that all these women would lie.

    As another poster already mentioned, what makes it worse is that he touted a sense of morality to the younger crowd and children. I believe he's guilty and this makes him look like the worst kind of hypocrite.


    lol, seriously? the guy is a serial rapist
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:22 AM GMT
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    tj85016 said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI've always liked Bill Cosby. From the time when he was on "Fat Albert" to "The Cosby Show" I've always enjoyed his work since I was a little kid and as a teenager.

    I'm really turned off by these allegations and I find it hard to believe that all these women would lie.

    As another poster already mentioned, what makes it worse is that he touted a sense of morality to the younger crowd and children. I believe he's guilty and this makes him look like the worst kind of hypocrite.


    lol, seriously? the guy is a serial rapist


    You need to learn how to read.

    I'm not disagreeing with you.


    He got to "I've always liked Bill Cosby".....and quit.
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:31 AM GMT
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    venue35 said
    timmm55 saidI haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?

    I thought if you are hiv+ you need to inform your sexual partners of the situation??
    He swears that he used condoms with all those women yet the woman who is suing him says otherwise.
    Who really knows the truth?
    That's why there are courts.
    Michael Jackson was on trial twice yet he was never found guilty..and to be found guilty you need solid evidence.
    So Bill Cosby will have his day in court as well.
    Innocent untill proven guilty.



    I was also thinking about Michael Jackson. Once one person said he was molested, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon who was ever left alone with him. This happens to wealthy people all the time because they know they have the money to pay up. Doesn't necessarily mean there was any wrong doing, no matter how many people come forward. Best to wait and let the jury decide once they're presented with the facts.


    The police, the DA, they all present their case early VERY publicly and without counterpoint. The Defense team has an uphill fight from the get go.

    After watching Making a Murderer I wonder how even justice can be administered.
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    Jan 11, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    venue35 said
    timmm55 saidI haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?

    I thought if you are hiv+ you need to inform your sexual partners of the situation??
    He swears that he used condoms with all those women yet the woman who is suing him says otherwise.
    Who really knows the truth?
    That's why there are courts.
    Michael Jackson was on trial twice yet he was never found guilty..and to be found guilty you need solid evidence.
    So Bill Cosby will have his day in court as well.
    Innocent untill proven guilty.


    "Olson, an actress who reportedly appeared in hundreds of adult films, said she was not HIV-positive herself."

    He supposedly didn't use condoms with prostitutes or Olson. Other times he used lambskin condoms that are not recommended to prevent HIV.

    In a San Diego case where a man DID transmit HIV he got 6 months. Thomas Miguel Guerra, 30, pleaded no contest to violating a state health code that says, “any person afflicted with any contagious, infectious, or communicable disease who willfully exposes himself or herself to another person … is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

    In Iowa vs Rhoades, he was convicted and sentenced to 30 years. But that was overturned. The 'victim' initially didn't want to press charges, but law enforcement did. Rhoades was undetectable AND used a condom. The man was not infected.

    So there's no intent (undetectable so he assumed he wouldn't transmit) and in fact there were NO HIV INFECTIONS. I don't see Charlie going after the person who infected HIM! He did the responsible thing and became undetectable i.e. "non-infectious". I personally think he should have told all his partners. But if the chance of getting HIV is ZERO, it's more of a personal issue than a legal one.

    Oddly enough, if you are POZ and don't know it, you can not be prosecuted for transmitting HIV, even if you do.

    Cosby is another issue. Totally unrelated.

    I agree 100% with everything you said here.
    The woman is just after $$$$
    He already said he was sick of paying off everybody to keep their mouths shut.
  • venue35

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    Jan 11, 2016 1:41 AM GMT
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    venue35 said
    timmm55 saidI haven't seen the evidence. I'm not convinced....nobody should be yet.

    It could be women who are making it up for their 15 minutes of fame. Or felt betrayed.....or he did it.

    Charley Sheen is being sued. He's already paid $10 million in hush money. As far as I know he hasn't infected anyone with HIV. It's doubtful he has since becoming undetectable. In CA prosecutors need to prove intent, of intentional harm.

    Did "black people" believe if the glove didn't fit they must acquit? I don't think A black person can speak for all blacks anymore than I can for ALL white people.
    n'est–ce pas?

    I thought if you are hiv+ you need to inform your sexual partners of the situation??
    He swears that he used condoms with all those women yet the woman who is suing him says otherwise.
    Who really knows the truth?
    That's why there are courts.
    Michael Jackson was on trial twice yet he was never found guilty..and to be found guilty you need solid evidence.
    So Bill Cosby will have his day in court as well.
    Innocent untill proven guilty.



    I was also thinking about Michael Jackson. Once one person said he was molested, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon who was ever left alone with him. This happens to wealthy people all the time because they know they have the money to pay up. Doesn't necessarily mean there was any wrong doing, no matter how many people come forward. Best to wait and let the jury decide once they're presented with the facts.
    During the first trial michael jackson settled out of court he was never found guilty but just wanted to get on with his life.
    I think it was a mistake but his laywers persuaded him.
    During the second trial it was proven that the boys mother planned the whole scheme. It was clearly a blackmailing scheme to get money from michael jackson.
    The mother was a lousy witness and they lost their case.
    I think murder cases are more dangerous and twisted.
    In the past there would be pressure for the case to be closed and in rare instances the wrong people have been put behind bars but this rarely happens.
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    Jan 11, 2016 1:43 AM GMT
    Im no longer surprised when people (who likely should have known better) do things because their wealth, stature or whatever, make them feel they are above everyone else and entitled to miss-behave. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 11, 2016 4:01 PM GMT
    I saw a televised interview of Cosby and his wife from a year or so ago. The interview was supposed to be a 'puff piece' about some museum donations the couple had made. Then, the interviewer began asking questions about some of the rapes. Mrs. Cosby put on a very telling - hard - fixed - smile, while she began trying to unfasten her mike from her clothes. She clearly wanted out of there. The look on her face though, is what I remember. A hard working, fixed smile. A smile that was really 'too big'. I felt after seeing that little segment that she knew. She knew and looked the other way, all those years, IMO. Why? A million rea$on$.

    By the way, race has nothing to do with this guy's (alleged) crimes.
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    Jan 11, 2016 4:14 PM GMT
    If I were a mega rich celebrity I would never be alone with anyone ever, especially a minor. If I had sex with anyone my lawyer would be present before the act with a stack of legal papers the person would have to sign before any physical contact commenced and he would remain in the room while the act was carried out. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    I'm glad to see no one has fallen into the OP's race baiting trap.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    jockbod48 She knew and looked the other way

    I get the sense a lot of people knew for decades and looked away. I remember years ago, asking why Cosby wasn't ever on Oprah, and that's the first I heard that he'd been blacklisted by many in the entertainment industry. Btw, good for Oprah! She didn't buy any bs from anyone who was hurting people.

    The only reason race is being agonized over is because Cosby made himself a mouthpiece for the community, yet now his motives for that are being called into question. I think Cosby did a huge disservice his community, and it's really unfortunate. It would be like if an activist for gay marriage turned out to be a sleazy sex predator the whole time. All the damage control that needed to be done would overshadow the good that person did.

    Long term, however, Cosby will be forgotten, and the community he betrayed will keep on keepin on.