What if everyone was physically attractive?

  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 11, 2016 7:35 PM GMT
    I finally got around to watching the classic episode of Twilight Zone's "Number 12 looks just like you" and I really enjoyed it but it did get me wondering. Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?

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    (From Twilight Zone episode)

    I mean, I think that at the end of the day, looks will matter no matter how much people try to deny them but if everyone was physically attractive, people would be looked at truly for their personality and not just how they look since well... They may end up looking like you.

    So what if in the gay community for example, they only offered 3 body types to have. Like oh I don't know... Something like these guys bodies from lef

    tumblr_nz4u8olT4f1rpt1fgo1_540.jpg

    The only difference being ones hair color, eye color, and ethnicity. The twink and chub would be obsolete and you would never see anyone with those types of bodies, only the aforementioned ones in the picture. And with the face, things like big ears, big noses, etc would be corrected. You would have to get the operation on your 18th birthday (like in the Twilight Zone episode)

    Do you think this kind of thing would make the world better and gay dating better overall as well?
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 11, 2016 11:53 PM GMT
    I think there will always be variations where some people are seen as more attractive than others, even if it comes down to just knowing what to do with it. As a whole, I do think people will continue to get more attractive and look more alike over the next 1000 years, as we live in global village and advance education and nutrition and healthcare to the point where people don't age as visibly or end up with diabetes. But I also hope we're far out in space by then, so there could still be a like a space station with a unique looking Mars cult, just to keep it spicy.
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    Jan 12, 2016 12:01 AM GMT
    Yeah, I used to think that people would inevitably grow more attractive through social selection.

    But then I go to WalMart, or Costco, and keep thinking... Not just why but how do these people reproduce?
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 12, 2016 12:16 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidYeah, I used to think that people would inevitably grow more attractive through social selection.

    But then I go to WalMart, or Costco, and keep thinking... Not just why but how do these people reproduce?

    I guess you could make a case that ever since the invention of photography, the gap between attractive and unattractive has widened. 19th century selfies revealed a people that were unadulterated by our modern vices, like the obsession with being hot versus Cheetos.
  • badbug

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    Jan 12, 2016 12:20 AM GMT

    I think it would make the dating world better overall for most, but not for some. Some people trade on their looks to make up for other deficiencies. So it would help greatly a huge amount of people, it would hurt a fair amount because they'd no longer have that going for them.

    I think though, it would just shift the emphasis onto something else, like money or singing ability or whatever other "thing" people wanted and had that desire reinforced through culture.

    People are generally at a certain level of happiness regardless of their circumstances. As circumstances improve, you'll feel a temporary sense of accomplishment but soon your senses dull and adapt to your new environment and suddenly you aren't extra happy anymore. I remember how excited i was to finally be able to go to the bar when i turned 19...by the time i was 21, it was old news. I remember being old enough that only a few people had computers, i dreamed of having one. Obviously i rarely think about how lucky i am to have one, i just moan i don't have a boat. You see this with lottery winners and people who become famous or rich or marry succesful people.


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    Jan 12, 2016 12:32 AM GMT
    One man's fish is another man's poisson. Nobody will be attractive to everybody if everybody is allowed to have their own personal tastes.
  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 12, 2016 1:11 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI think there will always be variations where some people are seen as more attractive than others, even if it comes down to just knowing what to do with it. As a whole, I do think people will continue to get more attractive and look more alike over the next 1000 years, as we live in global village and advance education and nutrition and healthcare to the point where people don't age as visibly or end up with diabetes. But I also hope we're far out in space by then, so there could still be a like a space station with a unique looking Mars cult, just to keep it spicy.


    Perhaps but like I said, in this fictional utopia, facial symmetry would also be a requirement to undergo along with the body. So the only thing from a physical standpoint would be certain characteristics like hair color/length, eye color, and racial background. White, Black, Asian, etc. They'd still exist, they just would all have facial symmetry with perfect nose, mouth, ears, etc.

    mindgarden saidYeah, I used to think that people would inevitably grow more attractive through social selection.

    But then I go to WalMart, or Costco, and keep thinking... Not just why but how do these people reproduce?


    Well, if you were to go to a Walmart in this fictional future, you would only be seeing men with builds like the above and pornstar looking women lol.

    GAMRican saidOne man's fish is another man's poisson. Nobody will be attractive to everybody if everybody is allowed to have their own personal tastes.


    Well, the main quote from the episode was "When everyone is beautiful, no one is" and that would generally ring true. Instead, personality, talent, and knowledge would be the saving grace since everyone would be physically attractive.
  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 12, 2016 1:15 AM GMT
    badbug said
    I think it would make the dating world better overall for most, but not for some. Some people trade on their looks to make up for other deficiencies. So it would help greatly a huge amount of people, it would hurt a fair amount because they'd no longer have that going for them.

    I think though, it would just shift the emphasis onto something else, like money or singing ability or whatever other "thing" people wanted and had that desire reinforced through culture.

    People are generally at a certain level of happiness regardless of their circumstances. As circumstances improve, you'll feel a temporary sense of accomplishment but soon your senses dull and adapt to your new environment and suddenly you aren't extra happy anymore. I remember how excited i was to finally be able to go to the bar when i turned 19...by the time i was 21, it was old news. I remember being old enough that only a few people had computers, i dreamed of having one. Obviously i rarely think about how lucky i am to have one, i just moan i don't have a boat. You see this with lottery winners and people who become famous or rich or marry succesful people.




    Hm that's an interesting synopsis. I suppose this would be a problem for those who coaxed through life on their looks since everyone would be physically attractive but for the average guy, it would really boost his confidence. At least for awhile but hey, everything comes with a price. In this case, being enveloped in a sea of attractive men who are pretty much like you physically. But you'd still be able to keep some individuality with hairstyle/color, eye color, and racial background.
  • craycraydoesd...

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    Jan 12, 2016 2:11 AM GMT
    OP is clearly asking rhetorically so that we can reassure him that variety is the spice of life, particularly that someone out there will want his sickly, corset-bound torso, etc...
  • Unnamed6

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    Jan 12, 2016 2:28 AM GMT
    BloodFlame saidI finally got around to watching the classic episode of Twilight Zone's "Number 12 looks just like you" and I really enjoyed it but it did get me wondering. Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?

    x0D2336.jpg
    (From Twilight Zone episode)

    I mean, I think that at the end of the day, looks will matter no matter how much people try to deny them but if everyone was physically attractive, people would be looked at truly for their personality and not just how they look since well... They may end up looking like you.

    So what if in the gay community for example, they only offered 3 body types to have. Like oh I don't know... Something like these guys bodies from lef

    tumblr_nz4u8olT4f1rpt1fgo1_540.jpg

    The only difference being ones hair color, eye color, and ethnicity. The twink and chub would be obsolete and you would never see anyone with those types of bodies, only the aforementioned ones in the picture. And with the face, things like big ears, big noses, etc would be corrected. You would have to get the operation on your 18th birthday (like in the Twilight Zone episode)

    Do you think this kind of thing would make the world better and gay dating better overall as well?


    I actually just watched this myself because of your post. Anyways, the Miss South Korea Pageant in 2013 seems to have entered the Twilight Zone (which I think may have already been posted elsewhere before?):
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    On the otherhand Miss South Korea Paegant 2014 (which is an improvement I suppose?):
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    Jan 12, 2016 2:32 AM GMT
    BloodFlame said...Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?...




    Probably not.
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    Jan 12, 2016 4:02 AM GMT
    Both Twilight Zone episodes mentioned starred GAY PHYSIQUE HUNK Edson Stroll. Google him. Hot through his eighties! He was also the main reason to watch "McHale's Navy."

    As David Bowie played ageless immortals ("Man Who Fell To Earth," "The Hunger"), Edson played ideal, perfect men.
  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 12, 2016 4:57 AM GMT
    Unnamed6 said
    BloodFlame saidI finally got around to watching the classic episode of Twilight Zone's "Number 12 looks just like you" and I really enjoyed it but it did get me wondering. Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?

    x0D2336.jpg
    (From Twilight Zone episode)

    I mean, I think that at the end of the day, looks will matter no matter how much people try to deny them but if everyone was physically attractive, people would be looked at truly for their personality and not just how they look since well... They may end up looking like you.

    So what if in the gay community for example, they only offered 3 body types to have. Like oh I don't know... Something like these guys bodies from lef

    tumblr_nz4u8olT4f1rpt1fgo1_540.jpg

    The only difference being ones hair color, eye color, and ethnicity. The twink and chub would be obsolete and you would never see anyone with those types of bodies, only the aforementioned ones in the picture. And with the face, things like big ears, big noses, etc would be corrected. You would have to get the operation on your 18th birthday (like in the Twilight Zone episode)

    Do you think this kind of thing would make the world better and gay dating better overall as well?


    I actually just watched this myself because of your post. Anyways, the Miss South Korea Pageant in 2013 seems to have entered the Twilight Zone (which I think may have already been posted elsewhere before?):
    nrm_1405458214-korea2013.jpg
    18lreofd702i4jpg.jpg

    On the otherhand Miss South Korea Paegant 2014 (which is an improvement I suppose?):
    1405457956-screen_shot_2014-07-15_at_458


    Oh I remember seeing that chart (2013 version, not 2014). It really was surreal to see lol

    So what do you think? If this kind of thing became the norm in say, the year 3000? Do you think the world would be better or worse?

    eagermuscle saidBoth Twilight Zone episodes mentioned starred GAY PHYSIQUE HUNK Edson Stroll. Google him. Hot through his eighties! He was also the main reason to watch "McHale's Navy."

    As David Bowie played ageless immortals ("Man Who Fell To Earth," "The Hunger"), Edson played ideal, perfect men.


    He really does have that sweet vintage appeal. icon_smile.gif
    So what do you think? Do you think a future like that Twilight Zone episode would be ideal?
  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 12, 2016 5:06 AM GMT
    bon_pan said
    BloodFlame said...Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?...




    Probably not.


    Oh I haven't seen that episode yet. Looks interesting though. icon_smile.gif

    And for the sake of tweaking the question, I want to retract the original image and go with this instead. types.jpeg

    These were the only bodies you could choose to mold after. Skinny and Chub/Fat would still be obsolete.
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    Jan 12, 2016 5:33 AM GMT
    Basically we'd just find slightly more inventive ways and reasons to call each other fat, ugly, and various other forms of undesirable. Heck, we'd do it even if the only differences between us were our serial numbers.

    I'm only being a little facetious; when you combine Darwinian selection, the intellectual capacity to make value judgements, and a nervous system that functions by neurochemical rewards and deterrents, rejection mechanisms will be unavoidably hardwired into the result. For what it's worth, this also enables us to appreciate a real match when we find one.
  • Unnamed6

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    Jan 12, 2016 5:41 AM GMT
    BloodFlame said
    bon_pan said
    BloodFlame said...Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?...




    Probably not.


    Oh I haven't seen that episode yet. Looks interesting though. icon_smile.gif

    And for the sake of tweaking the question, I want to retract the original image and go with this instead. types.jpeg

    These were the only bodies you could choose to mold after. Skinny and Chub/Fat would still be obsolete.


    Not to answer your question yet, I guess, for the time being anyway..., but anything is really possible by looking at Anthony Michael Hall (notice the broadness of the face and shoulders):

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    Anthony-Me.jpg

    When watching The Dead Zone when it was on a decade ago, there seemed to be moments of his "80's nerdy ectomorphishnesses" (said for a lack of a better phrase or term, which I guess some might find "cute" at times because of it's awkwardness), that I would see glimpses of in the series, but Anthony Michael Hall's personality on screen and in person now seems for the most part to align with social perceptions of people with broad shoulders (which may in fact be biological than a mere social perception or expectation, or maybe not...).
  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 12, 2016 7:48 AM GMT
    anotherphil saidBasically we'd just find slightly more inventive ways and reasons to call each other fat, ugly, and various other forms of undesirable. Heck, we'd do it even if the only differences between us were our serial numbers.

    I'm only being a little facetious; when you combine Darwinian selection, the intellectual capacity to make value judgements, and a nervous system that functions by neurochemical rewards and deterrents, rejection mechanisms will be unavoidably hardwired into the result. For what it's worth, this also enables us to appreciate a real match when we find one.


    That would be hilarious if people still did that despite looking practically the same.
  • BloodFlame

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    Jan 12, 2016 7:58 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidBoth Twilight Zone episodes mentioned starred GAY PHYSIQUE HUNK Edson Stroll. Google him. Hot through his eighties! He was also the main reason to watch "McHale's Navy."

    As David Bowie played ageless immortals ("Man Who Fell To Earth," "The Hunger"), Edson played ideal, perfect men.


    He really does have that sweet vintage appeal. icon_smile.gif
    So what do you think? Do you think a future like that Twilight Zone episode would be ideal?
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    BloodFlame said
    anotherphil saidBasically we'd just find slightly more inventive ways and reasons to call each other fat, ugly, and various other forms of undesirable. Heck, we'd do it even if the only differences between us were our serial numbers.

    I'm only being a little facetious; when you combine Darwinian selection, the intellectual capacity to make value judgements, and a nervous system that functions by neurochemical rewards and deterrents, rejection mechanisms will be unavoidably hardwired into the result. For what it's worth, this also enables us to appreciate a real match when we find one.


    That would be hilarious if people still did that despite looking practically the same.


    We kind of already do, and it kind of already is. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 12, 2016 9:26 AM GMT
    BloodFlame saidSo the only thing from a physical standpoint would be certain characteristics like hair color/length, eye color, and racial background. White, Black, Asian, etc. They'd still exist, they just would all have facial symmetry with perfect nose, mouth, ears, etc.


    I appreciate this is a hypothetical question, but this could never happen. What is attractive is subjective - you say 'perfect nose, mouth, ears' but who determines what is perfect? The example picture you gave, sure those guys may be attractive to some but a huge amount of people would not find them attractive at all.
  • oldfart

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    Jan 12, 2016 2:50 PM GMT
    At first I was going to say, let us compare modern to humans to our ancestors of say 100,000 years ago, but I think MindGarden's WalMart test has disabused us of that idea.

    But really, original Q: if every one was equally physically attractive?

    Life would just be one big orgy....
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    BloodFlame said
    eagermuscle saidBoth Twilight Zone episodes mentioned starred GAY PHYSIQUE HUNK Edson Stroll. Google him. Hot through his eighties! He was also the main reason to watch "McHale's Navy."

    As David Bowie played ageless immortals ("Man Who Fell To Earth," "The Hunger"), Edson played ideal, perfect men.


    He really does have that sweet vintage appeal. icon_smile.gif
    So what do you think? Do you think a future like that Twilight Zone episode would be ideal?


    Humankind doesn't necessarily always have to sink to the lowest common denominator. Unlike that "Twilight Zone" episode where people became more vapid and appearance-obsessed, leveling the field may be a good thing where people would focus more on developing their minds, an increased marker of attractiveness. It wouldn't hurt me to spend as much time in the library as I do at the gym.
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    Jan 12, 2016 3:25 PM GMT
    I like looking at pretty things, so bring it on.
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    Jan 12, 2016 3:43 PM GMT
    Unnamed6 said
    BloodFlame said
    bon_pan said
    BloodFlame said...Let's say we were 1000 years in the future where science was able to change someone's appearance and became a mandatory thing. Do you think the world would be a better place if such an operation like this actually was enforced?...




    Probably not.


    Oh I haven't seen that episode yet. Looks interesting though. icon_smile.gif

    And for the sake of tweaking the question, I want to retract the original image and go with this instead. types.jpeg

    These were the only bodies you could choose to mold after. Skinny and Chub/Fat would still be obsolete.


    Not to answer your question yet, I guess, for the time being anyway..., but anything is really possible by looking at Anthony Michael Hall (notice the broadness of the face and shoulders):

    anthony-michael-hall-16-candles.jpg
    anthony-michael-hall.jpg
    anthony-michael-hall-split.jpg
    Anthony-Michael-Hall_src_gallery_main.jp
    tumblr_lz8bo4Mw0v1qap9gwo1_540.jpg
    33bd1a530806905c99c6369612616c25.jpg
    Anthony-Me.jpg

    When watching The Dead Zone when it was on a decade ago, there seemed to be moments of his "80's nerdy ectomorphishnesses" (said for a lack of a better phrase or term, which I guess some might find "cute" at times because of it's awkwardness), that I would see glimpses of in the series, but Anthony Michael Hall's personality on screen and in person now seems for the most part to align with social perceptions of people with broad shoulders (which may in fact be biological than a mere social perception or expectation, or maybe not...).


    I agree, anything is possible

    Look at this person

    baby-surprise.jpg

    Very narrow shoulders, round face, barely no hair, very short, very soft skin, chubby, bad set of teeth, etc.

    This person put in some WORK, anything is possible and only after having their mind set they turned into this.

    ss3_goku.jpg

    See the major difference! Broad shoulders, LOTS of hair, tall... and now he's even cell-shaded! Wow! The sky is the limit! Put your mind to it and you can do anything!
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    Jan 12, 2016 5:09 PM GMT
    Is Hall any relation to Haley Mills? Spittin' image!

    Personally, I think most people are attractive in some ways, but for me the real lookers are those who are uniquely attractive in their own way, and they are few and far between. Once you clear up any physical deformities - cleft palates, outsized ears, grotesque noses, etc. - everybody's got some degree of appeal. I find that A LOT of the people held up as attractive by the entertainment industries - including its gay cottage industry - are not appealing to me at all.