Cancun or Cuba?

  • interestingch...

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    Jan 12, 2016 5:36 PM GMT
    Wanting to book a holiday to either of these places, which would be the best place to go for gay beaches, nightlife, etc, is it safe, are the guys hot?
    any advice from anybody that has been to either place?
    Both places would be interesting historically, the Mayan pyramids on the Yucatan and the old feel and architecture of Havanna with all the old 50's American cars driving around, wanted to go before it gets spoiled by tourism and money.
    thanks
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    Jan 13, 2016 12:59 AM GMT
    I have never been to Cuba, so I can only suggest Cancun. I took the 1-day tour to the Chichen Itza or the Mayan pyramid (with side tour to a cenote) and was thoroughly impressed. Xcaret theme park was also very nice and enjoyable. Hotel deals are pretty decent.
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    Jan 13, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
    polfsky saidI have never been to Cuba, so I can only suggest Cancun. I took the 1-day tour to the Chichen Itza or the Mayan pyramid (with side tour to a cenote) and was thoroughly impressed. Xcaret theme park was also very nice and enjoyable. Hotel deals are pretty decent.


    Thanks for the advice, I didn't realise you could do that trip in a day which frees up more time for the beach haha, apart from Tulum as well, is there anything else on the Yucatan that is worth going to look at?
    How much was the Chichen Itza trip just out of interest?
  • southernscot

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    Jan 14, 2016 4:02 AM GMT
    I went to Cuba a couple years ago and it was the best trip ever!
  • tj85016

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    Jan 14, 2016 1:19 PM GMT
    I thought Cancun was highly overrated and almost boring, definitely go to Cuba
  • interestingch...

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    Jan 14, 2016 1:45 PM GMT
    southernscot saidI went to Cuba a couple years ago and it was the best trip ever!


    I have heard a few good reports about it, I know its underdeveloped but I don't mind that at all, adds to the character of the place, excuse me for being ignorant but are the guys hispanic or black? we don't get cubans in the UK much, mainly jamaicans from that part of the world,
    What are the beaches like and can you get to them easily?
    what are the costs for eating out etc?
  • Fireworkz

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    Jan 14, 2016 6:54 PM GMT
    Cuba is Latin America so Hispanic are the majority. There are also black people there too.
    I went with a mixed group of Spanish/French, black and mixed and everyone thought we were Cuban. Which meant we avoided being hastled to buy stuff.


    I'd got to both.

    Cancun - a bit touristy but beautiful beach. You can travel to the Mayan ruins. Playa del Carmen has a more authentic feel than cancun and is not so far.

    Cuba - also has Varadero a beach resort, which is similar to Cancun in feel.
    Most people go for Havana which is a fun place to visit for about 4 days. There are other towns which i didn't get to go to. I think you could do 2 weeks in Cuba. I went for 10 days. The history of Cuba is interesting too.

    As for any gay scene. I didn't go in Cuba but it is getting pretty liberal compared to what it had once been.
    Cancun is more gay friendly I'd imagine but I found the clubs uninspiring

    Cuba might be changing so better to go there first before it gets too americanized.
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    Jan 14, 2016 7:16 PM GMT
    Cuba - aka The Workers' Paradise; no longer aka The Pearl of the Antilles - has a looong way to go before its even starts to become a more open and tolerant government, especially in its treatment of gays. Its prospect of getting "too Americanized" would be the best thing that ever happened to it. See what one of the world's most respected foreign policy journals has to say about the purported paradise:

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/07/03/cuba-wants-you-to-think-its-a-gay-paradise-its-not/

    Since you're in the UK, why not head straight south to Mallorca, Spain or the Canaries, or over to Italy or Greece? But, if it's the Caribbean you want, "It's Better in the Bahamas!" - or any of the many other free societies found there. Safe travels!
  • Fireworkz

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    Jan 14, 2016 7:32 PM GMT
    I doubt as a visitor you will experience any of what was in the article. These are Cuban political protesters not tourists.
    The tourist experience is completely different from locals whether you are gay or straight. For example locals are not allowed in the hotels and they can be controlled by the police at any time.

    (Btw But all the police presence also makes it pretty safe for tourists.)


    Most gay people I've met who've gone to Cuba have loved it. It may not be as liberal as other countries but most of the people I've spoken to had no trouble.

    When I went in 2006 I had seen "Before Night Falls" and thought it was illegal to be gay and one would be locked up. So after a few days of hanging out in all the straight places I was surprised to see a whole crowd of gay and trans people on the beach. I didn't get the memo! I wish I had done my research, there were some cute cubans.
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    Jan 14, 2016 7:39 PM GMT
    Fireworkz saidI doubt as a visitor you will experience any of what was in the article. These are Cuban political protesters not tourists.
    The tourist experience is completely different from locals whether you are gay or straight. For example locals are not allowed in the hotels and they can be controlled by the police at any time.

    Rather! Let's all sign up for a little jaunt to a place where the locals are kept from going where they choose and can be "controlled" according to cops' whims. Sounds like a really great vacation ... from the reality of living in one of the world's few true democracies. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • interestingch...

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    Jan 14, 2016 8:16 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidCuba - aka The Workers' Paradise; no longer aka The Pearl of the Antilles - has a looong way to go before its even starts to become a more open and tolerant government, especially in its treatment of gays. Its prospect of getting "too Americanized" would be the best thing that ever happened to it. See what one of the world's most respected foreign policy journals has to say about the purported paradise:

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/07/03/cuba-wants-you-to-think-its-a-gay-paradise-its-not/

    Since you're in the UK, why not head straight south to Mallorca, Spain or the Canaries, or over to Italy or Greece? But, if it's the Caribbean you want, "It's Better in the Bahamas!" - or any of the many other free societies found there. Safe travels!


    Being americanised wasn't meant as an insult, its just that some countries have their own unique culture that can be lost from the Macdonalds and starbucks on every corner, I don't know if you knew this but they have an enviable health system which is well funded and fairly up to date from what I have heard. Also their education system is excellent, they may not have i phones and laptops etc, but they are rich in other ways. If we stopped going to war with whoever seems unpopular at the time then we all could have a great health system in all countries, one can hope.
    The weather in Europe during the winter just isn't warm enough, even the Canary Islands the weather can be unpredictable which is why I was thinking of going further afield.
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    Jan 14, 2016 8:22 PM GMT
    No offense taken, Englander, and I trust none caused by me. I just feel compelled to tell it like it is when talk turns to "the new Cuba," which is not really much different from the old. Check your sources on this place; it is NOT the wonderland the left supposes it to be.
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    Jan 14, 2016 8:22 PM GMT
    Fireworkz saidI doubt as a visitor you will experience any of what was in the article. These are Cuban political protesters not tourists.
    The tourist experience is completely different from locals whether you are gay or straight. For example locals are not allowed in the hotels and they can be controlled by the police at any time.

    (Btw But all the police presence also makes it pretty safe for tourists.)


    Most gay people I've met who've gone to Cuba have loved it. It may not be as liberal as other countries but most of the people I've spoken to had no trouble.

    When I went in 2006 I had seen "Before Night Falls" and thought it was illegal to be gay and one would be locked up. So after a few days of hanging out in all the straight places I was surprised to see a whole crowd of gay and trans people on the beach. I didn't get the memo! I wish I had done my research, there were some cute cubans.


    I'm glad there are some cute cubans, ha, something to look forward too, what do they think about white guys? I have greying blonde hair and blue eyes, golden tan after getting some sun, do you think being different that would be appealing to a cuban?
  • Destinharbor

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    Jan 14, 2016 10:06 PM GMT
    I'd say go to Cuba. As you said, it is a culture that will vanish in a nanosecond. See it while you can. I had a chance to see Russia during the USSR days and missed it. I've always regretted that. There are lots of great places to go and see but this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I like gay nightlife, too, when I travel, and gay beaches, and clothing-optional gay beaches, and clothing optional nightclubs, but I'd take a fifties dinner jacket to Cuba and dance in a heartbeat.
  • interestingch...

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    Jan 14, 2016 11:02 PM GMT
    Anybody seen the cuban model/actor Ruben Cortada, how cute is he, lives in Spain so no chance of running into him over there, damn it haha.
  • southernscot

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    Jan 15, 2016 12:37 AM GMT
    There's a lot you should know before visiting Cuba.

    First, it's a lot safer for white people than for other races. I went with my friend who was Guatemalan. Walking through security after landing the guards completely ignored me while my friend was taken to the back room and questioned because of where he was from.

    Tourism is huge for them, so they go out of their way to make tourists happy. If you get caught doing something wrong, just act like you don't understand them and the police leave you alone. Locals are not allowed to bother tourists so some will walk away if cops show up. A guy was about to get in a fight with my friend at the bar for bumping into his drink, my friend said he would go outside and point him out to the cops....he and his group of friends left the building.

    They overcharge like crazy. They will say they have to charge like $5 minimum for a taxi ride, but the locals pay 10cent a ride. Apparently you can get this if you know what you're doing. Also. they'll pull out a sheet of paper saying they are required to charge $100 to travel to another city....it's a lie. You can get them down to $10.

    Varadero is nice, but you might as well just go to Cancun because it looks like a tourist resort and feels like it. I stepped in petroleum walking the beach because it's everywhere.

    The Cubans are extremely poor. Most only own a few articles of clothing. We backpacked the entire week and wore the same clothes over again...it's not a big deal and beats lugging a suitcase looking like a walking wallet.

    We also stayed in people's houses and ate meals the woman of the house cooked to get a better feel of the country.

    There are gay clubs and they're a lot of fun. The gays aren't treated with a lot of respect, but they don't raid the gay areas, they just keep tabs on them.

    Because the government taxes everything, prostitution is huge because it can't be taxed. I couldn't bring myself to get one, but my friend bought a few prostitutes ranging from $15 - $25 each...and they were very hot...even the straight guys will sleep with guys because they are really that poor. Honestly that's a pretty good deal since buying a guy dinner his portion alone will be around $25 haha.

    The cars are AMAZING! It's all the old cars from the 1950s and 1960s. It was so cool to see 75% of the cars on the road from that time area.

    Condoms are not common, so bring your own.

    Make sure to purchase health insurance before you get there.
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    Jan 15, 2016 12:01 PM GMT
    i would say Cuba; it will never be the same, see it now while you can, good or bad. A social experiment gone whatever. well it went on the low side of things.

    be generous; not a place to find a bargain among low prices.
  • interestingch...

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    Jan 15, 2016 12:49 PM GMT
    Thanks for all the advice, every bit helps, gotta send off for a new passport before I can book anything but I may well do Cuba I think judging from what everyone has been saying on here, very helpful.
    Staying with a local might be nice to see how they live and what they eat on a daily basis, simplicity is often refreshing in todays complicated fast, western materialistic civilisation.
  • Fireworkz

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    Jan 16, 2016 2:48 PM GMT
    interestingchap said

    I'm glad there are some cute cubans, ha, something to look forward too, what do they think about white guys? I have greying blonde hair and blue eyes, golden tan after getting some sun, do you think being different that would be appealing to a cuban?



    Cubans love blonds. You will be popular.
  • Fireworkz

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    Jan 16, 2016 3:06 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidNo offense taken, Englander, and I trust none caused by me. I just feel compelled to tell it like it is when talk turns to "the new Cuba," which is not really much different from the old. Check your sources on this place; it is NOT the wonderland the left supposes it to be.


    If we only stuck to democratized countries we wouldn't travel very far.

    Cuba definitely has it's faults as does the USA. I have been put off many times travelling the US but have also had amazing experiences and have family and friends there.

    When I got to a country I go for the full experience. I spoke to many Cubans about life in their country and there are definitely issues with propaganda and towing the party line. But their society is that way for a reason. The history of Cuba and Cuban revolution is pretty interesting.

    You can only learn about countries by travelling there. You can also make a difference there by speaking to locals and buying things from them which will be less likely if/when the retail chains move in. Most people are trying to live their life in a heavily controlled society. Staying away doesn't help them.

    ...and I don't see what the Left or Right have to do with anything. There are many Left and Right commercially supporting China through trade and tourism which is a communist country (or Cuba is socialist).





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    Jan 16, 2016 5:51 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidNo offense taken, Englander, and I trust none caused by me. I just feel compelled to tell it like it is when talk turns to "the new Cuba," which is not really much different from the old. Check your sources on this place; it is NOT the wonderland the left supposes it to be.


    Not at all my friend,
  • interestingch...

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    Jan 16, 2016 6:06 PM GMT
    Fireworkz said
    MGINSD saidNo offense taken, Englander, and I trust none caused by me. I just feel compelled to tell it like it is when talk turns to "the new Cuba," which is not really much different from the old. Check your sources on this place; it is NOT the wonderland the left supposes it to be.


    If we only stuck to democratized countries we wouldn't travel very far.

    Cuba definitely has it's faults as does the USA. I have been put off many times travelling the US but have also had amazing experiences and have family and friends there.

    When I got to a country I go for the full experience. I spoke to many Cubans about life in their country and there are definitely issues with propaganda and towing the party line. But their society is that way for a reason. The history of Cuba and Cuban revolution is pretty interesting.

    You can only learn about countries by travelling there. You can also make a difference there by speaking to locals and buying things from them which will be less likely if/when the retail chains move in. Most people are trying to live their life in a heavily controlled society. Staying away doesn't help them.

    ...and I don't see what the Left or Right have to do with anything. There are many Left and Right commercially supporting China through trade and tourism which is a communist country (or Cuba is socialist).





    I quite agree that you only learn about a country if you have been there, reading about places gives you not much information compared to going there. I have travelled a lot so know this, thats what I find really bad about the west, Europe, the UK and North America making judgments on other countries and going to war with them, Syria for example was a very stable country before ISIS, or should I say the CIA's trainee's screwed up the whole country which is now having a very big effect on Europe, Greece, Germany, Italy and France, Germany right now really not having a good time because of the sexual assaults going on over the new year caused by a minority of middle eastern men who I am sure aren't from Syria anyhow.
    What should have happened is, our governments should have secured safe zones in the middle east and looked after them there rather than try and take them into Europe and mess up European society which has its own problems, all this I'm sure has been planned by the powers that be, nobody is that stupid to have let things get like this which i'm afraid to say was fairly obvious an outcome. Just look at history.
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    Jan 17, 2016 11:13 AM GMT
    My dear friend cum ex boyfriend has been to Mexico 8-10 times. He has been all over the country and says Cancun is the worst place in Mexico.
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    Jan 17, 2016 2:19 PM GMT
    ricky1987 saidMy dear friend cum ex boyfriend has been to Mexico 8-10 times. He has been all over the country and says Cancun is the worst place in Mexico.


    Any reason for having that opinion?
  • Fireworkz

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    Jan 17, 2016 8:06 PM GMT
    The rest of Mexico is way more interesting I guess.
    Mexico has a rich history, great art, music, culture and architecture.
    I've been to Mexico 3 times and each time I've been to Mexico city. I love the place. It has all of the above and a fantastic night life. The clubs there are better than the ones in the UK.

    I also spent 2 weeks in Oaxaca learning Spanish and spent a few days in Guadalajara.


    Of the coastal towns I've been to Puerto Vallarta, Acupulco and Cancun. Don't go to Acupulco it was awful. Puerto Vallarta had a relaxed vibe although that was 15 years ago so could have changed.

    Cancun is like a resort area, devoid of culture except for the Mayan ruins. I had fun there for a week but then I traveled to other parts of Mexico. I wouldn't completely knock it. I went to parties, played beach volleyball etc. but you could do this in any number of countries. Also if you go to Cancun avoid spring break unless you love drunk college kids it's less worse than holidaying in Maguluf I guess but marginally better.

    I would still go to Cancun again (who wouldn't want beach, sun and sea when you're in the English winter) but I'd stay for a few days and then go somewhere else.