Federal Lawsuit Seeks To Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From U.S. Currency

  • metta

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    Jan 13, 2016 6:08 AM GMT
    Federal Lawsuit Seeks To Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From U.S. Currency

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/01/federal-lawsuit-seeks-to-remove-in-god-we-trust-from-u-s-currency/
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    Jan 13, 2016 6:13 AM GMT
    Not terribly interested in the basic premise, but if I read right and part of the point is to invoke the Hobby Lobby precedent, this may be enjoyable to watch.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jan 13, 2016 6:30 AM GMT
    What's the reason for putting that on Currency ... seems like an oxymoron ... or at the very least a blasphemy ... remove it!
  • DG1990

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    Jan 13, 2016 12:29 PM GMT
    In "god we trust".....Anybody else must pay cash.icon_biggrin.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 13, 2016 12:57 PM GMT
    Wasn't this always on our currency or was it the paranoid McCarthyites that place it there in the 50sicon_question.gif
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    Jan 13, 2016 1:11 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWasn't this always on our currency or was it the paranoid McCarthyites that place it there in the 50sicon_question.gif


    In 1956 to replace E pluribus unum. It appear on paper currency in 1957, but on coins since 1860 something
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    Jan 13, 2016 3:38 PM GMT
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_we_trust
    "In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States. It was adopted as the nation's motto in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782...

    ..."In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864[4] and has appeared on paper currency since 1957. A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956 declared IN GOD WE TRUST must appear on currency. This phrase was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the phrase entered circulation on October 1, 1957 [5]

    It is also the motto of the U.S. state of Florida. Its Spanish equivalent, En Dios Confiamos, is the motto of the Republic of Nicaragua....

    ...The phrase appears to have originated in "The Star-Spangled Banner", written during the War of 1812. The fourth stanza includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'"...

    ...Since 1938, all US coins have borne the motto.

    A quarter dollar with the United States' official motto "In God we trust" on the obverse side
    In 1956, the nation was at a particularly tense time in the Cold War, and the United States wanted to distinguish itself from the Soviet Union, which promoted state atheism.[17] As a result[citation needed], the 84th Congress passed a joint resolution "declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States." The law was signed by President Eisenhower on July 30, 1956, and the motto was progressively added to paper money over a period from 1957 to 1966.[14] (Public Law 84-851)[18] The United States Code at 36 U.S.C. § 302, now states: "'In God we trust' is the national motto."...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
    E pluribus unum (/ˈiː ˈplʊərɨbəs ˈuːnəm/; Latin: [ˈeː ˈpluːrɪbʊs ˈuːnʊ̃])—Latin for "Out of many, one"[1][2] (alternatively translated as "One out of many"[3] or "One from many")[4]—is a phrase on the Seal of the United States, along with Annuit cœptis (Latin for "He/she/it approves (has approved) of the undertakings") and Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for "New Order of the Ages"), and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782.[2] Never codified by law, E Pluribus Unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States[5] until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H. J. Resolution 396), adopting "In God we trust"...

    The traditionally understood meaning of the phrase was that out of many states (or colonies) emerges a single nation. However, in recent years its meaning has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions, languages, and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation—illustrating the concept of the melting pot...

    ...The first coins with E pluribus unum were dated 1786 and struck under the authorization of the State of New Jersey by Thomas Goadsby and Albion Cox in Rahway, New Jersey...

    ...According to the U.S. Treasury, the motto E pluribus unum was first used on U.S. coinage in 1795, when the reverse of the half-eagle ($5 gold) coin presented the main features of the Great Seal of the United States. E pluribus unum is inscribed on the Great Seal's scroll. The motto was added to certain silver coins in 1798, and soon appeared on all of the coins made out of precious metals (gold and silver)...
  • jeepguySD

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    Jan 13, 2016 3:58 PM GMT
    This is going to provide fodder for the evangelical right in their claims that they are being oppressed in the imaginary war on Christianity in the U.S.

    Oy vey!
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 13, 2016 4:06 PM GMT
    I'm surprised Christians don't object to putting In God We Trust on our currency. I agree with AMoonHawk, it should be considered as blasphemy to anyone who considers God to be sacred.
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    Jan 13, 2016 4:09 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidWhat's the reason for putting that on Currency ... seems like an oxymoron ... or at the very least a blasphemy ... remove it!


    I've felt the same. However, as the rich get richer and the working man gets poorer, In God We Trust, might be good advice.
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    Jan 13, 2016 5:04 PM GMT
    It only took a reading of the "complaint's" table of contents to suggest that this suit might be tossed right away, albeit w/ leave to amend, for failure to comply w/ FRCvP 8's requirement that the complaint consist of "a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief; ..." (Italics added.) Short it's not, and the excess baggage attached to it belongs in the plaintiff's opposition to the inevitable motion to dismiss which will surely be filed, not here. If the judge had any balls, s/he'd order sanctions against the plaintiff for filing a frivolous suit under FRCvP 11, if not for forum shopping as well.
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    Jan 13, 2016 7:19 PM GMT
    "In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States. It was adopted as the nation's motto in 1956. A marketing effort to separate us from the god free communists. Works like "Make America White"
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    Jan 13, 2016 8:32 PM GMT
    but not 'Federal Reserve Note'? Typical. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 13, 2016 9:21 PM GMT
    And replace it with Praise Allah?
  • Crisistunity

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    Jan 13, 2016 9:29 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidAnd replace it with Praise Allah?


    I think «E pluribus unum» is a kickass choice for a national motto.

    After all, not all Americans believe in God, plus those who do, shouldn't want to have God's name printed on their money (considering what the Bible says about money and its use).
  • FRE0

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    Jan 13, 2016 9:45 PM GMT
    The two words, "under God", were added to the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag during the McCarthy era too. There has been some interest in restoring the Pledge to how it was originally written.
  • everhorn

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    Jan 13, 2016 10:01 PM GMT
    Are there people who really think about and get upset with the motto being imprinted on US currency? I find it hard to believe that atheists are "substantially burdened" in the exercise of their atheistic beliefs, and I suggest that most people, atheists or others, do not advert to the motto when they use their monetary coins or bills. Perhaps we should rewrite the Declaration of Independence and eliminate references to "Nature's God" or to the "Creator" and rid ourselves of the notion that "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" are our natural endowments given us by that Creator. And why do not these Atheists complain about the "Eye of Providence" on the Great Seal and the words "Annuit Coeptis," which are generally translated as "Providence favors our undertakings?" Who is the provider of that "providence," or is that a question which should not be asked? Does any of that really upset one's freedom to believe or not to believe?
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    Jan 14, 2016 2:38 AM GMT
    If the Liberal Hypocrites on the Supreme Court remove In God We Trust then Moses and Muhammad who are both depicted on the Supreme Court Building will have to be removed.

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  • KissTheSky

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    Jan 14, 2016 3:39 AM GMT
    And how would conservatives feel if Moslem references were on our currency?
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    Jan 14, 2016 4:40 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidAnd how would conservatives feel if Moslem references were on our currency?

    This one would regard it as proof that revisionist history in the hands of permissive Democrats - who else would encourage such an aberration? - pays. The Arab-Muslim world and culture played little or no role in our first 150 years as a nation, and to the extent it did, it did so only as a barbaric, piratical, slave-trading force of evil that we properly brought to heel.
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:05 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidAnd how would conservatives feel if Moslem references were on our currency?


    They're ready for you sweetheart and since you're already headless this will have to do

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ML-Inside-the-Caliphate-Persecuting-Gays/2015/12/02/id/704344/

  • musclmed

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    Jan 14, 2016 5:23 AM GMT
    everhorn saidAre there people who really think about and get upset with the motto being imprinted on US currency? I find it hard to believe that atheists are "substantially burdened" in the exercise of their atheistic beliefs, and I suggest that most people, atheists or others, do not advert to the motto when they use their monetary coins or bills. Perhaps we should rewrite the Declaration of Independence and eliminate references to "Nature's God" or to the "Creator" and rid ourselves of the notion that "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" are our natural endowments given us by that Creator. And why do not these Atheists complain about the "Eye of Providence" on the Great Seal and the words "Annuit Coeptis," which are generally translated as "Providence favors our undertakings?" Who is the provider of that "providence," or is that a question which should not be asked? Does any of that really upset one's freedom to believe or not to believe?


    Even if they were to win the lawsuit is based on a flimsy ground.

    The lawsuit makes the novel claim that having the motto “In God We Trust” printed on U.S. currency violates the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993.

    Right now attached to any pending legislation a patch could be passed in the House and the Senate by voice vote. If the current President would veto and i doubt it. The veto would be overridden if not having sufficient votes already.

    Simply the lawsuit is not on any constitutional grounds. Its more of a publicity stunt than anything.

    Just know , uber atheist who hate references to God or a Creator are in a small minority. I am talking about the ones that cringe at a cross and despise talk of religion. They occupy the single digits percent of the USA. The 3% range....


    Anyone bothered by the phrase can use a credit card.
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    Jan 14, 2016 5:45 AM GMT
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  • Relajado

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    Jan 14, 2016 6:33 AM GMT
    Are Real Jock conservatives reaaaally supporting havig In God We Trust on currency of a republic and not a theocracy? Wow.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jan 14, 2016 7:26 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidIf the Liberal Hypocrites on the Supreme Court remove In God We Trust then Moses and Muhammad who are both depicted on the Supreme Court Building will have to be removed.

    Menes_Hammurabi_Moses.jpg

    North_Wall_Frieze.jpg


    I thought that, according to Muslims, it was supposed some sort of offense or something to draw or make any sort of image representing Muhammad. Didn't they want to kill some cartoonist for making a drawing of their "prophet"