Anglican Communion suspends the Episcopal Church after years of gay rights debates

  • metta

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    Jan 15, 2016 6:26 AM GMT
    Anglican Communion suspends the Episcopal Church after years of gay rights debates


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/
  • metta

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    Jan 15, 2016 6:45 AM GMT
    The Archbishop of Canterbury

    https://www.facebook.com/archbishopofcanterbury/?fref=ts
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    Jan 15, 2016 7:01 AM GMT
    Interesting. A church founded on dissent will cotton no dissent.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 15, 2016 1:59 PM GMT
    This sounds like hypocrisy.
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    Jan 15, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThis sounds like hypocrisy.


    And you do know hypocrasy, Rob.
  • tazzari

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    Jan 15, 2016 5:03 PM GMT
    Please, religion haters (and who can blame you?) - note that the Episcopal Church is being "punished" for its support and acceptance of LGBT's. The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church pretty much let the primates have it, and there is no way ECUSA is going to go back on its pro-gay stance; we now even have liturgy for same-sex marriages.

    If all this huffing and puffing largely by African churches which support LGBT persecution is costing the Episcopal Church anything - which is doubtful - remember that it because of its support and total inclusion of LGBT's.
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    Jan 15, 2016 5:41 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidInteresting. A church founded on dissent will cotton no dissent.

    Slight correction: A church founded on divorce will eventually divorce itself.
    This historical fact is why I've always had a problem w/ the C of E, Episcopalians, Anglicans, or whatever their offshoots call themselves. Lacking a firm foundation, they're constantly squabbling among themselves and often divorcing themselves from their original Christian mission entirely. Richard Brookhiser was right to ask, "Are there Episcopalians in foxholes?"
    http://www.episcopalnet.org/TRACTS/foxholes.html
  • Kazachok

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    Jan 15, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
    Lol, looks like the Anglican Church of Canada could be next. They will vote on their marriage canon this year.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 15, 2016 7:37 PM GMT
    The Episcopalians are undoubtedly the most inclusive, christlike sect of Christianity.

    Tbh, I think Christ's followers need to be emancipated from their monotheistic upbringing, and realize that Jesus is not his father.

    The monotheists are praying to the antichrist, and here's their mascot.icon_evil.gif

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    Jan 15, 2016 8:33 PM GMT
    Hey, I thought I told you to lay off Bloody Mary! icon_wink.gif

    As for the most inclusive, if not exactly Christlike, sect of Xtianity, I think Rev. Wright's UCC in Chicago would given them a run for their denarii.
  • carew28

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    Jan 15, 2016 8:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidThe Episcopalians are undoubtedly the most inclusive, christlike sect of Christianity.

    Tbh, I think Christ's followers need to be emancipated from their monotheistic upbringing, and realize that Jesus is not his father.

    The monotheists are praying to the antichrist, and here's their mascot.icon_evil.gif

    mary-tudor.jpg



    Actually, Mary was quite a good monarch in her early days. She showed a good deal of courage at her accession, and she initially showed mercy to her young cousin Lady Jane Grey, who'd tried to displace her. And she was quite tolerant of dissenting views, and hadn't yet begun burning people. It was probably her Spanish husband Philip who led her astray. He must have told Mary a few too many stories about the Inquisition, and she got carried away.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 15, 2016 8:54 PM GMT
    There's always time for a bloody mary on ice-iss.
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    Jan 15, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
    carew28 said
    HottJoe saidThe Episcopalians are undoubtedly the most inclusive, christlike sect of Christianity.

    Tbh, I think Christ's followers need to be emancipated from their monotheistic upbringing, and realize that Jesus is not his father.

    The monotheists are praying to the antichrist, and here's their mascot.icon_evil.gif

    mary-tudor.jpg



    Actually, Mary was quite a good monarch in her early days. She showed a good deal of courage at her accession, and she initially showed mercy to her young cousin Lady Jane Grey, who'd tried to displace her. And she was quite tolerant of dissenting views, and hadn't yet begun burning people. It was probably her Spanish husband Philip who led her astray. He must have told Mary a few too many stories about the Inquisition, and she got carried away.

    And ISIS just wants to start a friendly little caliphate. So, they got carried away. It's not like we ran out of heads to chop off. No biggie.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 15, 2016 9:26 PM GMT
    metta saidAnglican Communion suspends the Episcopal Church after years of gay rights debates


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/01/14/anglican-communion-suspends-the-episcopal-church-for-3-years-from-committees/


    From the link:

    “The traditional doctrine of the church in view of the teaching of Scripture, upholds marriage as between a man and a woman in faithful, lifelong union,” the leaders of the Anglican Communion, which represents 44 national churches, said in a statement during a meeting in Canterbury. “The majority of those gathered reaffirm this teaching.”

    These people who oppose same-sex marriage don't even know how to state their position properly. Obviously many, or even most of us, who support same-sex marriage also support opposite-sex marriage. The quotation above does not oppose same-sex marriage, which no doubt is what they intend to do. A statement which would state what they actually intend would include the word "only".
  • FRE0

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    Jan 15, 2016 9:28 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidInteresting. A church founded on dissent will cotton no dissent.


    Except that there has always been considerable dissent in the Anglican Communion. This is the first time that dissent has caused an actual breach in the Communion.

    It's my guess that this will all eventually seem rather silly at some future date.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 15, 2016 10:31 PM GMT
    David_Lauderdale said
    roadbikeRob saidThis sounds like hypocrisy.


    And you do know hypocrasy, Rob.
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  • buddycat

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    Jan 16, 2016 10:58 AM GMT
    You can always go the Justice of the Peace or find a gay ordained minister. Of course organized religion want the money but all the squabbling over gay marriage makes you think it may be best just avoiding them.
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    Jan 16, 2016 2:25 PM GMT
    Consider this, George Carlin...."Religion is Bullshit"




    "RELIGION" in all forms and by any name is the single largest problem in the history of mankind. It has been the source of most wars and unimaged violence and brutality around the world.
    Ever notice how and why religion is used to justify violence, and abuses in so many major "disciplines", like politics, economics, race, ancestry, education, medicine, etc, etc....

    END religion...and quit talking to an imaginary man in the sky, or sending your money to some charlatan that claims to be acting on behalf of instructions from the imaginary man in the sky.... Take personal responsibility for your life and your decisions and handle your own shit. The imaginary man in the sky, or the imaginary voices from the trees, or the imaginary being in the deepest parts of the underground, are not talking to you or anyone else...so quit blaming them for your simple bad decisions and personal problems that make you think you need to control the thoughts, word or actions of another and are justified to achieve that control by any means....Just stop it! FUCK RELIGIONS.icon_lol.gificon_cool.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_razz.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 16, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
    U.S. Episcopal Leader Says Church Won’t Back Down on Gay Marriage


    http://www.towleroad.com/2016/01/299170/
  • metta

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    Jan 16, 2016 5:45 PM GMT
    Church of England weekly attendance falls below 1m for first time

    Sunday attendance also drops to 760,000 as decline continues in face of growing secularism, diversity and ageing congregation


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
  • tazzari

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    Jan 16, 2016 6:58 PM GMT
    buddycat saidYou can always go the Justice of the Peace or find a gay ordained minister. Of course organized religion want the money but all the squabbling over gay marriage makes you think it may be best just avoiding them.


    We barely break even on the weddings we have at my church: janitorial service, heat, lighting, providing music... It's not for profit. It's to celebrate a union, and part of it is that everyone present forms a community of support for the couple. Gay couples have been as happy as heteros.
  • tazzari

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    Jan 16, 2016 7:04 PM GMT
    END religion...and quit talking to an imaginary man in the sky, or sending your money to some charlatan that claims to be acting on behalf of instructions from the imaginary man in the sky.... Take personal responsibility for your life and your decisions and handle your own shit.

    You make some good points, but overlook that the "Jesus movement" can also be the basis for an ethical system and outlook on life, not based on fear or tree-worship any more than agreeing with Ghandi about ethics and non-violence or Socrates on logic. In my church we send no money to charlatans, though we do certainly pay a priest and church staff for the work they do.

    Nor do we expect "instructions" - a church can be a wonderful community of caring people who not only care for each other, but also sponsor a ton of food banks, thrift stores, AA meetings, etc. AND in our case, march in the annual Pride Parade and fight for LGBT equality and marriage.

    I agree with much of your frustration and disdain. But you have a pretty wide brush!
  • FRE0

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    Jan 16, 2016 7:51 PM GMT
    metta saidU.S. Episcopal Leader Says Church Won’t Back Down on Gay Marriage


    http://www.towleroad.com/2016/01/299170/


    From the article:

    "the Anglican Church has suspended the U.S. Episcopal Church for three years from partaking in any committees or significant decision-making because it voted last year to authorize the performing of same-sex marriage ceremonies in the Church."

    Surely the Anglican Church doesn't really expect the "punishment" to have any effect on us Episcopalians. It is more likely that eventually the Anglican Church will end up looking silly and apologizing for its attitude.
  • FRE0

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    Jan 16, 2016 8:00 PM GMT
    Sporty_G saidConsider this, George Carlin...."Religion is Bullshit"




    "RELIGION" in all forms and by any name is the single largest problem in the history of mankind. It has been the source of most wars and unimaged violence and brutality around the world.
    Ever notice how and why religion is used to justify violence, and abuses in so many major "disciplines", like politics, economics, race, ancestry, education, medicine, etc, etc....

    END religion...and quit talking to an imaginary man in the sky, or sending your money to some charlatan that claims to be acting on behalf of instructions from the imaginary man in the sky.... Take personal responsibility for your life and your decisions and handle your own shit. The imaginary man in the sky, or the imaginary voices from the trees, or the imaginary being in the deepest parts of the underground, are not talking to you or anyone else...so quit blaming them for your simple bad decisions and personal problems that make you think you need to control the thoughts, word or actions of another and are justified to achieve that control by any means....Just stop it! FUCK RELIGIONS.icon_lol.gificon_cool.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_razz.gif


    You post is obviously very biased and one-sided. You have entirely, completely, and totally overlooked the good things that religion and churches have done.

    Before there were publicly funded hospitals, churches established hospitals.
    Before education was publicly funded, churches established schools.
    It was conversion to Christianity that ended the continual Viking raids.

    That said, it is quite true that religion has a checkered history, such as burning "witches" alive at the stake, expelling the Jews and Muslims from Spain, etc. We are well aware of those abuses. However, the inclination of many of us is to ignore people who show no effort to be fair and who present only one side.