Weight Watchers or Paleo?

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    Jan 15, 2016 4:02 PM GMT
    Does anyone recommend Weight Watchers as a reputable method of losing weight? I've tried it in the past and it seemed to work. The results were slower than I had hoped for, but the weight did come off a bit. Of course it came back right after, but that was mostly my own fault. I want to try the Paleo diet, but I'm worried about the expenses. Broke college student here lol.
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    Jan 15, 2016 4:28 PM GMT
    All diets work by causing you to become a conscientious eater. Choose a diet you can follow for the rest of your life that fits your desired life style, values and budget.
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    Jan 15, 2016 6:41 PM GMT
    I agree with MrFuscle; it's about finding something that works for you.

    Hardcore Paleo is expensive, but mostly-paleo can be cheap and delicious. Personally I'd suggest just reading up on the basics, and adapt the style of eating (whole foods, quality proteins, and avoiding grains and refined carbs) to your budget in whatever way seems easiest and most affordable. Once that experiment is over, take a look at your diet again and see what is left that goes against these themes; make another small project of finding a healthier alternative to that and repeat as convenient.

    I don't have anything against WW, but my limited experience suggests that it won't do much to help avoid the refined carbs that we find in everything these days.
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    Jan 15, 2016 8:33 PM GMT
    Weight watchers peeps gain it back because that system
    does not address the fundamental chemistry of metabolism.

    Paleo will cause your excess fat to disappear at a rate that scares most people. Yeah, you can't eat cheap fake food. That whole point is that fake food creates a fatty body that nature never intended.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jan 15, 2016 8:50 PM GMT
    My husband has done Weight Watchers. It DOES work because it helps you learn good habits about eating and exercising. You don't have to cut anything out, you just have to learn that you can't each as much of whatever you want. If you exercise, you get to have a little bit more. The app has made it super easy to track you food, too.

    That being said, find something that works for you and that you can be excited about. Losing weight is often about momentum and staying motivated. With WW, you aren't cutting out things you like, which might make it easier for you to stick to.
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    Jan 15, 2016 9:22 PM GMT
    Weight Watchers is a program to help you lose weight and build healthier habits but it is also a community of other people that are aspiring similar goals. Now that being said, Weight Watchers is a good start to maybe change your eating habits but I'm pretty sure it doesn't lead to the best results. At some point you'll plateu.

    On the other hand, paleo (as mentioned above) is expensive and is extremely difficult to commit to. So many people I know have tried the paleo diet and either can't maintain it or cheat somehow without realizing it. The problem with the diet is it is very specific. Sure, eat only what the paleolithic ate before; sounds simple. But nowadays there are so many processed foods that it is so hard to determine what is natural or not. Grass fed beef, organic vegetables, nuts, etc. is very pricey. The positive side is that it is probably the best weight loss and muscle building diet program. If you can handle the strict lifestyle of a paleo diet, then you will find yourself looking great!

    Personally, I follow a modified paleo that allows me to have those cheat meals but for the majority of the time I eat as healthy as possible. Hope this helps!
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 15, 2016 10:22 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidWeight watchers peeps gain it back because that system
    does not address the fundamental chemistry of metabolism.

    Paleo will cause your excess fat to disappear at a rate that scares most people. Yeah, you can't eat cheap fake food. That whole point is that fake food creates a fatty body that nature never intended.

    Going vegan can give you the same rapid results, probably for the same reasons.

    I'm not fully vegan, but I eat very little meat and no dairy, very little sugar, and I am as lean as a hunter gatherer.icon_mad.gif
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    Jan 15, 2016 11:12 PM GMT
    Weight Watchers = Mostly GMO shit.
    Paleo = Mostly non-GMO and natural.

    You choose...
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    Jan 15, 2016 11:22 PM GMT
    How about learn how to measure and calculate your macronutrients and screw all the fad diets. icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 15, 2016 11:31 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidHow about learn how to measure and calculate your macronutrients and screw all the fad diets. icon_confused.gif
    Good advice, but it doesn't tackle the current GMO issue. Paleo does a great job of naturally supplying the macro/micro while avoiding the carcinogenic GMO's.
  • mont_33r

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    Jan 16, 2016 12:19 AM GMT
    Although many plans can work for different people, I can recommend Weight Watchers. I did WW Online for Men in 2007 and went from 230 to 185. For me, being cognizant of what I was eating in relation to how much activity I did was the key. I kept the weight off and took up more resistance training to get some lean muscle. Oddly enough, in my quest to earn more activity points, I took Les Mills Body Combat (a sort of branded kickboxing class) eight times per week and got plantar fasciitis. During the recovery from that, I took up RPM (a structured form of spin class); by the time my foot healed, I was addicted to the indoor bike, and that drove my weight down even further, to the 176 I am today.

    Weight Watchers does not (or at least did not when I was active in it) prescribe or forbid particular foods, so you can eat as Paleo and GMO-free as you want. (Or as much dessert as you want, so long as you factor in the higher point values of the less healthful foods.) I'm a vegetarian who drinks only water. But the key to staying fit was eating as much as my activity level warranted. WW has shifted its approach; the old-style program, called Momentum, is what I did, and you can find information about it online. (You can use the freely available information to replicate the program without having to pay any sort of monthly fee by officially joining.)

    Good luck, whatever you choose to do.
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    Jan 16, 2016 12:26 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    mindgarden saidHow about learn how to measure and calculate your macronutrients and screw all the fad diets. icon_confused.gif
    Good advice, but it doesn't tackle the current GMO issue. Paleo does a great job of naturally supplying the macro/micro while avoiding the carcinogenic GMO's.


    I thought you were joking. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Slip me a few bucks and I'll certify that it doesn't have any evil spirits or leprechaun meat in it either.

    Unless it does, of course.
  • Timbales

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    Jan 16, 2016 12:27 AM GMT
    I'm using a free app called My Fitness Pal. It's by UnderArmor. It's really easy to use and has a ton of features.

    I'm using it to keep on track with losing weight. You set your goal weight and your current weight and it calculates a daily calorie intake for you to reach it. You enter the foods you eat, most everything is in the library or you can scan the barcode on the package. It will flag warnings when you eat something with a lot of sodium or sugar, but also tell you when you are eating things that are healthy - lean proteins, vitamins, etc. You can also track you weight. It also ties in with just about every activity tracker for calories actively burned, etc.
  • Triggerman

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    Jan 16, 2016 12:42 AM GMT
    I am not talking as a personal trainer but as a regular guy that has not so much battled weight but has been genetically programmed to gain weight. My ancestors must have lived in Antartica and needed to conserve every calorie they consumed. I don't. I live in San Diego CA where food is plentiful and most guys spend 3/4 of the year with their shirts off.

    Eat food and do not match it with energy output, the body stores it. Thus, fat. Fat is not evil. It is your bodies way of saving you in hard times. When you start thinking of it that way, it makes more sense. Fat is just energy reserved.

    Your body is like a car. Drive it allot, the gas tank gets low. Want to run it on empty? Drive it more and don't gas up. You will hit empty eventually.

    We could get into proteins, fats, low and high carbs, but that never seems to work for fat guys. I just do the math because I love to drive cars long distances.

    Drive far and avoid gas stations, the gas tank goes down. Stop at every gas station, the gas tank stays full.
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    Jan 16, 2016 1:47 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Alpha13 saidWeight watchers peeps gain it back because that system
    does not address the fundamental chemistry of metabolism.

    Paleo will cause your excess fat to disappear at a rate that scares most people. Yeah, you can't eat cheap fake food. That whole point is that fake food creates a fatty body that nature never intended.

    Going vegan can give you the same rapid results, probably for the same reasons.

    I'm not fully vegan, but I eat very little meat and no dairy, very little sugar, and I am as lean as a hunter gatherer.icon_mad.gif
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    I hear you, sustaining one's body weight becomes an issue with Paleo and unlike hard to follow diets it's not fat or calorie restricted. But real live food costs more that dead fake food.

    When you can buy a 1 lb pizza for 5 bucks and a quart of soda for a buck it's easy to see why folks become obese.
  • badbug

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    Jan 16, 2016 3:13 AM GMT

    Eat healthy foods and focus on lean protein and vegetables and fruit. Cut sugar. Cut unhealthy oils. Cut refined grains. Cut anything that comes already made, cut anything you cannot pronounce or don't know what it is.

    How do you tolerate whey protein? That's the cheapest way to get enough protein in your diet. If you can handle a lot of whey protein without it causing gastro issues, that's the best route for cost effectiveness. Once you figure out if you can tolerate whey, you can buy a large amount of natural whey without any bullshit in it. Right now i have a huge box of some grass fed new zealand whey that is pretty tasteless and is about as cheap as the cheapest stuff you can find at costco.

    Next, organic frozen fruits and vegetables from a place like costco is a cheap way to get your healthy stuffs. Add a tub of coconut oil and you're ready to roll. Costco usually has organic peas, spinach, mixed berries, blueberries and brocoli. If you can get the bulk of your diet at wholesale-y prices, it will save you a lot in the long run, and since most places don't have anything you can eat lol, you'll save money by not eating out!


    Anyways, you can find ways to save and eat healthier.
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    Jan 16, 2016 3:49 AM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    HottJoe said
    Alpha13 saidWeight watchers peeps gain it back because that system
    does not address the fundamental chemistry of metabolism.

    Paleo will cause your excess fat to disappear at a rate that scares most people. Yeah, you can't eat cheap fake food. That whole point is that fake food creates a fatty body that nature never intended.

    Going vegan can give you the same rapid results, probably for the same reasons.

    I'm not fully vegan, but I eat very little meat and no dairy, very little sugar, and I am as lean as a hunter gatherer.icon_mad.gif
    icon_wink.gif


    I hear you, sustaining one's body weight becomes an issue with Paleo and unlike hard to follow diets it's not fat or calorie restricted. But real live food costs more that dead fake food.

    When you can buy a 1 lb pizza for 5 bucks and a quart of soda for a buck it's easy to see why folks become obese.


    Does that mean the reason paleo works is because it makes over eating prohibitively expensive. Oddly enough not driving has done that for me in a way. A baconator at one in the morning no longer sounds good when you have to add $15 uber ride just to get it.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jan 16, 2016 6:10 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidWeight Watchers = Mostly GMO shit.
    Paleo = Mostly non-GMO and natural.

    You choose...


    Just curious, how did you come to this conclusion? On Weight Watchers, you pick your own food, cook your own meals, and deduct points from your total allotment depending on what you eat. Whether you eat GMO and processed foods or organic and all-natural is completely up to each person...icon_question.gif