More people in Europe are dying than being born, research finds

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    Jan 17, 2016 2:52 AM GMT
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/more-people-in-europe-are-dying-than-being-born-research-finds-a6816651.html

    But Britain beats the trend to continue growing

    ...They found that 58 per cent of the 1,391 counties in Europe had more deaths than births in the first decade of the 21st century (from 2000 to 2009), compared to just 28 per cent of the 3,141 counties in the USA....

    ...Three of Europe's six most populous nations are in a state of natural decrease, with the populations of Russia, Germany and Italy all decreasing in size year-on-year. With a combined population of over 280 million, these shrinking nations together account for over a third of Europe's 743 million inhabitants.

    ...Separate research has suggested that the UK will become the most populous country in the EU but 2050...It remains to be seen how the arrival of millions of refugees on European shores will affect these projections....

    [b]They said: "Natural decrease is much more common in Europe than in the U.S because its population is older, fertility rates are lower and there are fewer women of child-bearing age... this is a major policy concern because it drains the demographic resilience from a region, diminishing its economic viability and competitiveness."

    ...Just nine countries (India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Ethiopia, the United States of America, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Tanzania, China and Bangladesh) are expected to make up half all global population growth by 2050...[b]

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    Jan 17, 2016 2:48 PM GMT
    A good case for migration. Either that or we'll have to work until we drop dead.
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    Jan 17, 2016 4:23 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidA good case for migration. Either that or we'll have to work until we drop dead.

    To serve your new Muslim masters if you're not careful!

    Get out of the EU now, while the going's good.
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    Jan 17, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidA good case for migration. Either that or we'll have to work until we drop dead.

    To serve your new Muslim masters if you're not careful!

    Get out of the EU now, while the going's good.


    Muslims make up just 4.5% of the UK population, so that's very unlikely to happen.

    Get out of the US before the Trump trash drag you down.
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    Jan 17, 2016 4:44 PM GMT
    And the demographic that is reproducing is not native. Its really obvious in Marseille and London which hardly look French or English anymore.
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    Jan 17, 2016 4:58 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidAnd the demographic that is reproducing is not native. Its really obvious in Marseille and London which hardly look French or English anymore.


    Like NYC, London is an international city (and a pretty buoyant one at that).

    London steals New York’s crown for economic clout in PwC’s international Cities of Opportunity Index
    London has claimed top spot as a centre for business, finance and culture for the first time, in Cities of Opportunity - PwC’s sixth annual index of 30 major cities internationally.
    http://pwc.blogs.com/press_room/2014/05/london-steals-new-yorks-crown-for-economic-clout-in-pwcs-international-cities-of-opportunity-index-.html
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    Jan 17, 2016 5:57 PM GMT
    Thanks for that cheerful stat. icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 17, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
    I think we need to question the need for every country to continue to grow the human population. This planet does not have unlimited resources. I realize that a dwindling population can harm the economy but it is human beings that designed the economy. You would think that we could find a way to design how the economy works so that it could have a decreasing population and still have a healthy economy. A endless growing population is a recipe for disaster.
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    Jan 17, 2016 6:35 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidAnd the demographic that is reproducing is not native. Its really obvious in Marseille and London which hardly look French or English anymore.


    Good as London is the capital of the United Kingdom, not England which has no capital, and is British.
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    Jan 17, 2016 6:35 PM GMT
    metta saidI think we need to question the need for every country to continue to grow the human population. This planet does not have unlimited resources. I realize that a dwindling population can harm the economy but it is human beings that designed the economy. You would think that we could find a way to design how the economy works so that it could have a decreasing population and still be a healthy economy. A endless growing population is a recipe for disaster.


    Absolutely!
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    Jan 17, 2016 11:33 PM GMT
    Relajado said
    metta saidI think we need to question the need for every country to continue to grow the human population. This planet does not have unlimited resources. I realize that a dwindling population can harm the economy but it is human beings that designed the economy. You would think that we could find a way to design how the economy works so that it could have a decreasing population and still be a healthy economy. A endless growing population is a recipe for disaster.


    Absolutely!


    I don't know that to be absolute.

    I had similar thoughts on posting the OP. But I don't know if those are answers or items to debate.

    No unlimited resources or badly managed ones?

    Not enough space or bad city planning?

    Too much waste or inefficient waste disposal/recycling?



    Economically, I think that ultimately the superior system will prove to be socialism but I don't know how practical it is now and I'm pretty sure it will be a painful transition if ever. The option being self annihilation. By automation alone it's pretty easy to project that one day there will be no jobs for anyone. You'll have robots in the operating room, not just dusting floors. You'll have robots making robots.

    The economics today is a pyramid scheme. But greed has thrived on it for 1000s of years so most people can't see outside that system, that there might be some other way to live.



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    Jan 18, 2016 12:55 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Alpha13 saidAnd the demographic that is reproducing is not native. Its really obvious in Marseille and London which hardly look French or English anymore.


    Like NYC, London is an international city (and a pretty buoyant one at that).

    London steals New York’s crown for economic clout in PwC’s international Cities of Opportunity Index
    London has claimed top spot as a centre for business, finance and culture for the first time, in Cities of Opportunity - PwC’s sixth annual index of 30 major cities internationally.
    http://pwc.blogs.com/press_room/2014/05/london-steals-new-yorks-crown-for-economic-clout-in-pwcs-international-cities-of-opportunity-index-.html


    +1
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    Jan 18, 2016 11:07 AM GMT
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    Jan 18, 2016 5:41 PM GMT
    Relajado said
    metta saidI think we need to question the need for every country to continue to grow the human population. This planet does not have unlimited resources. I realize that a dwindling population can harm the economy but it is human beings that designed the economy. You would think that we could find a way to design how the economy works so that it could have a decreasing population and still be a healthy economy. A endless growing population is a recipe for disaster.


    Absolutely!



    Overpopulation and race relations were the primary issues of my generation. It was politically incorrect to reproduce. The movie "Idiocracy" is a hilarious critique of it. We definitely need to develop a sustainable zero growth model.
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    Jan 19, 2016 2:18 PM GMT
    Most of Europe is not alone in facing a declining population and birth rate. Japan is facing pretty much the same troubling scenario with very low birth rates and an aging population.
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    Jan 19, 2016 4:40 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidMost of Europe is not alone in facing a declining population and birth rate. Japan is facing pretty much the same troubling scenario with very low birth rates and an aging population.


    yes, but they're not stupid enough to compromise their country to a bunch of fanatical, degenerate muslim "refugees" like the Europeans are doing
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    Jan 19, 2016 6:36 PM GMT
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    yes, but they're not stupid enough to compromise their country to a bunch of fanatical, degenerate muslim "refugees" like the Europeans are doing


    You really are low life scum.
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    Jan 19, 2016 6:42 PM GMT
    ^^

    thanks, keep it up with your whiny-ass, cry me a river bullshit; and watch your countries go to hell
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    Jan 19, 2016 6:57 PM GMT
    Because EU leaders are incompetent idiots, they should have started to shoot them with rubber bullets from day one, none of those economic migrants, rapists and killers would come
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    Jan 19, 2016 7:20 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    thanks, keep it up with your whiny-ass, cry me a river bullshit; and watch your countries go to hell


    Please. You're a terminally pessimistic clown. Sometimes entertaining, but mostly a sad c*nt.
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    Jan 19, 2016 8:08 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    tj85016 said^^

    thanks, keep it up with your whiny-ass, cry me a river bullshit; and watch your countries go to hell


    Please. You're a terminally pessimistic clown. Sometimes entertaining, but mostly a sad c*nt.


    ok fine, you idiots spend your taxes and go further into debt to feed, clothe and house all these scum bag economic migrants instead of taking care of your own people - - I really don't care

    but it's a sad state of affairs in the EU. Where are all these migrants going to work and go to school? And use what to buy food? Your taxes? Fine

    No, you haven't figured that out yet, have you?

    So live the rape and the crime and the lootings and the riots, maybe you all deserve it
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    Jan 19, 2016 8:19 PM GMT
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    Analysts: Refugees 'may end up boosting European economies'
    Holger Schmieding, economist at the German investment bank Berenberg, estimated that the arrival of refugees could boost economic output in the eurozone by 0.2 percent as of the second half of 2015.

    Migrants play an important role in economic expansion and in periods of decline, said historian Nancy Green, researcher at the School for Advanced Studies in the Social Sciences in Paris.

    New arrivals often work in sectors where conditions are viewed as unsatisfactory for native-born workers, she said, citing the clothing and steel industries of the 19th and 20th centuries and the services industries of today.

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/euro-finance/analysts-refugees-may-end-boosting-european-economies-317682

    Sound familiar? It ought to. Your modern economy was virtually built by "scum bag economic migrants".

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    Jan 19, 2016 8:31 PM GMT
    ^^

    lol, yeah keep believing that crap spewed out by bought-and-sold "economists", go right ahead - let them drag down your real wages for decades, compete for your dwindling jobs and empty your tax coffers, who cares

    sound familiar?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/01/18/french-president-declares-economic-emergency/78965866/

    ps: education has very little to do with it, so the French President, once again, is full of shit

    and our "scum bag" immigrants came from lands with mostly shared values
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    tj85016 said^^
    our "scum bag" immigrants came from lands with mostly shared values


    Yeah right. It's easy to romanticize the qualities and motives of migrants coming to America 100 years ago, while decrying those of migrants coming to Europe today. There's a word for that: hypocrisy. You're a bigot and a hypocrite, just like your hero Trump, whose own grandfather was a German immigrant, who made his money from prostitution, booze and stealing land. How's that for "shared values"?
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    Jan 20, 2016 2:55 AM GMT
    tj85016 said
    roadbikeRob saidMost of Europe is not alone in facing a declining population and birth rate. Japan is facing pretty much the same troubling scenario with very low birth rates and an aging population.


    yes, but they're not stupid enough to compromise their country to a bunch of fanatical, degenerate muslim "refugees" like the Europeans are doing
    Sad to say but the U.S. will soon be following suit by allowing a shitload of these refugees into this country.icon_sad.gif