IG: Some emails on Clinton's server were beyond top secret...

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    Jan 20, 2016 1:11 AM GMT
    WASHINGTON — Some of the classified emails found on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's home server were more sensitive than top secret, according to an inspector general for the intelligence community.

    Inspector General Charles I. McCullough sent a letter to lawmakers last Friday saying that several dozen additional classified emails have been found, including ones containing information from so-called "special access programs," which have a classification higher than top secret.

    Federal investigators are probing the Democratic presidential candidate's email setup amid concerns that classified information may have passed through the system. Clinton, the front-runner for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, provided the server to the FBI in August. She has said that she didn't send or receive information that was classified at the time via her personal email account.

    McCullough sent the letter in response to inquiries from congressional committees.

    "To date, I have received two sworn declarations from one (intelligence community) element," the letter said. "These declarations cover several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the confidential, secret and top secret/sap levels."

    Intelligence officials say that special access programs are more classified than just top secret because they are about highly sensitive programs and could reveal sources of information.

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    Jan 20, 2016 2:48 AM GMT
    if anyone doesn't think Hillary was lying, you need to get your head examined
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    Jan 20, 2016 3:04 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidif anyone doesn't think Hillary was lying, you need to get your head examined
    Well that would mean that all the extremist liberal hens on here would need to be committed to a psychiatric ward.icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 21, 2016 2:28 AM GMT
    Have Republicans found anything from their $98 million dollar witch hunt?

    Nope. Nada.
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    Jan 21, 2016 2:41 AM GMT
    The description of the emails as relatively innocuous came from officials, including a senior U.S. intelligence official, who believe Inspector General McCullough has been unfair to Clinton in his handling of the issue. They say McCullough and Congressional Republicans have elevated a mundane dispute about classification into a scandal. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officials-new-top-secret-clinton-emails-innocuous-n500586
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    Jan 21, 2016 3:31 AM GMT
    timmm55 saidThe description of the emails as relatively innocuous came from officials, including a senior U.S. intelligence official, who believe Inspector General McCullough has been unfair to Clinton in his handling of the issue. They say McCullough and Congressional Republicans have elevated a mundane dispute about classification into a scandal. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officials-new-top-secret-clinton-emails-innocuous-n500586

    Thinking TS/SAP on an unclassified server is mundane = extreme ignorance.

    Yeah - The IG and FBI are all against Hillary. It's a vast conspiracy. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jan 21, 2016 4:30 AM GMT
    timmm55 saidThe description of the emails as relatively innocuous came from officials, including a senior U.S. intelligence official, who believe Inspector General McCullough has been unfair to Clinton in his handling of the issue. They say McCullough and Congressional Republicans have elevated a mundane dispute about classification into a scandal. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officials-new-top-secret-clinton-emails-innocuous-n500586


    Snowden hopes you are correct.

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    Jan 21, 2016 6:23 AM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    timmm55 saidThe description of the emails as relatively innocuous came from officials, including a senior U.S. intelligence official, who believe Inspector General McCullough has been unfair to Clinton in his handling of the issue. They say McCullough and Congressional Republicans have elevated a mundane dispute about classification into a scandal. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officials-new-top-secret-clinton-emails-innocuous-n500586


    Snowden hopes you are correct.



    Whether you consider Snowden a hero or a traitor, it has nothing to do with Hilary.

    The irony here is she wasn't hacked.
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    Jan 21, 2016 9:27 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    desertmuscl said
    timmm55 saidThe description of the emails as relatively innocuous came from officials, including a senior U.S. intelligence official, who believe Inspector General McCullough has been unfair to Clinton in his handling of the issue. They say McCullough and Congressional Republicans have elevated a mundane dispute about classification into a scandal. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officials-new-top-secret-clinton-emails-innocuous-n500586


    Snowden hopes you are correct.



    Whether you consider Snowden a hero or a traitor, it has nothing to do with Hilary.

    The irony here is she wasn't hacked.

    You have no way to know that.

    What is clear is you defend her and attack her adversaries without understanding the issues. You probably don't even realize you don't understand the issues.
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    Jan 21, 2016 10:47 PM GMT
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    timmm55 said
    The irony here is she wasn't hacked.

    You have no way to know that.

    And yet, we are supposed to believe socalfitness knows the scope, nature and findings of an FBI investigation, on the basis of a decidedly shaky Fox News "exclusive" (citing not a single FBI source) and the fact that, once upon a time, he worked on the fringes of the US defense industry.

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    She's as guilty as hell. Only thing remaining is how it will be handled.
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    Jan 22, 2016 2:37 AM GMT
    First of all, there are only 4 classifications for secure documents & information: Unclassified, aka non-Classified; Confidential; Secret; Top Secret. There is no Beyond Top Secret classification.

    Second, Top Secret documents contain access instructions. Not every person with a Top Secret Clearance can see everything that's Top Secret. You must have a Need To Know. A Special Access Program would be one of those determinants.

    Therefore, what the IG is identifying is nothing out of the ordinary for Top Secret material. Virtually ALL Top Secret material is limited to which possessors of a Top Secret clearance may see it.

    I myself, for instance, always had a Secret clearance based on my senior military rank. I would be upgraded to Top Secret when my job duties required it. With prescribed limitations to what TS material was involved. I couldn't handle anything TS outside that range.

    Upon change of duties I lost my Top Secret, and went through a debriefing process. I would regain it when my new set of duties once more required a TS.

    What the IG is describing is typical of Top Secret material, and is being misunderstood by the media. I say again: there is no such thing as "Beyond Top Secret".

    And now I'm reading reports that the IG's findings are incorrect, and the material really isn't as secret as suggested. But that won't prevent Hillary's enemies from running with this story.
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    Jan 22, 2016 2:58 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidFirst of all, there are only 4 classifications for secure documents & information: Unclassified, aka non-Classified; Confidential; Secret; Top Secret. There is no Beyond Top Secret classification.

    Second, Top Secret documents contain access instructions. Not every person with a Top Secret Clearance can see everything that's Top Secret. You must have a Need To Know. A Special Access Program would be one of those determinants.

    Therefore, what the IG is identifying is nothing out of the ordinary for Top Secret material. Virtually ALL Top Secret material is limited to which possessors of a Top Secret clearance may see it.

    I myself, for instance, always had a Secret clearance based on my senior military rank. I would be upgraded to Top Secret when my job duties required it. With prescribed limitations to what TS material was involved. I couldn't handle anything TS outside that range.

    Upon change of duties I lost my Top Secret, and went through a debriefing process. I would regain it when my new set of duties once more required a TS.

    What the IG is describing is typical of Top Secret material, and is being misunderstood by the media. I say again: there is no such thing as "Beyond Top Secret".

    And now I'm reading reports that the IG's findings are incorrect, and the material really isn't as secret as suggested. But that won't prevent Hillary's enemies from running with this story.

    Wrong.

    I will agree that while there is no official classification labeled "Beyond Top Secret", there are clearances that are, in fact, beyond Top Secret, or addition to Top Secret. Some may debate terms and say they are accesses, not clearances, but the terms depend on the agency. The material involved includes material the IG reported to have been on Hillary's unofficial server. While it is true that access to classified information is based on need to know, Top Secret / Special Access Required (TS/SAP) is not just ordinary or typical Top Secret as you stated.
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    Jan 22, 2016 3:19 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Thanks for the info. A question: Can something be classified without being marked as classified? (Honest, legit question, I'm not "setting a trap" for you).

    Not that I recall. A security classification requires a determination by an authorized authority, and must be marked accordingly. In other words, I couldn't say some item on my desk, that I wanted to remain private, was now "Secret". On the other hand. certain items were by their nature Confidential, and perhaps Secret. But were still marked as such.

    But I'll give an example of a mistake, an exception to the rule (or more correctly a failure). One night I was the Post Duty Officer for Ft. Sam Houston, Texas. A rotating duty assigned to Field Grade Officers, that required I stay awake by the phone in the HQ all night.

    A runner gave me a radio message from the Communications Center, and I dutifully entered the time into my log. I scanned the top sheet, to see if it required any immediate action, and began to realize this was a diplomatic message at the highest level, of the greatest sensitivity. But it had no security rating, just marked "Routine".

    I personally walked it back to the Com Center, I wouldn't let my Duty NCO so much as see it, and showed it to the staff there. "Should I be getting this?" "Oh God, no! That's Top Secret! We'll take it. Sorry, sir."

    My duty ended at 7 AM, and I went back home to sleep. About an hour later MPs were banging on the front door of my quarters. They had orders to return me to the HQ, and I should get dressed immediately.

    I was taken to the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff, a full Colonel. He had read my DO log. He began to interrogate me. I assured him I hardly knew what I was reading, and could barely remember the specifics. Just that it seemed extraordinary for a routine message, and so I returned it.

    He said: "Major, you will take your log and rewrite it, and resign it, and omit that you ever received that message. The incident never happened. Is that clear?" "Yes, sir!"

    And honestly, today I could not tell you those message contents. So things don't always get properly classified, and sometimes we catch them because, well, because we just sorta know that business. But it also makes me aware that the US government and military are probably as leaky as a sieve, because humans are fallible. And all our failsafes & security only work to a point.
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    Jan 22, 2016 3:39 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    While it is true that access to classified information is based on need to know, Top Secret / Special Access Required (TS/SAP) is not just ordinary or typical Top Secret as you stated.

    I actually said it is typical OF Top Secret material to have access restrictions imposed. I didn't say that SAP is typical of other TS material.

    In any case, this entire issue of how much of a security violation this actually was is now being disputed. Don't go chasing after the first anti-Hillary headline you read, you'll eventually find that they're exaggerations or inventions.
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    Jan 22, 2016 4:45 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    socalfitness said
    While it is true that access to classified information is based on need to know, Top Secret / Special Access Required (TS/SAP) is not just ordinary or typical Top Secret as you stated.

    I actually said it is typical OF Top Secret material to have access restrictions imposed. I didn't say that SAP is typical of other TS material.

    In any case, this entire issue of how much of a security violation this actually was is now being disputed. Don't go chasing after the first anti-Hillary headline you read, you'll eventually find that they're exaggerations or inventions.


    You said:
    Therefore, what the IG is identifying is nothing out of the ordinary for Top Secret material. Virtually ALL Top Secret material is limited to which possessors of a Top Secret clearance may see it.

    TS/SAP is absolutely not ordinary TS. If you were aware of how such material is to be handled, you would know that.