Jewish transgender man gives birth and embraces life as a single ‘abba’

  • metta

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    Jan 22, 2016 6:58 PM GMT
    Jewish transgender man gives birth and embraces life as a single ‘abba’


    http://www.jta.org/2016/01/22/news-opinion/united-states/jewish-transgender-man-gives-birth-and-embraces-life-as-a-single-abba
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    Jan 22, 2016 11:02 PM GMT
    My gut reaction is "How fucked up is this?! But since I'm not raising the baby - I'm not footing the bills for its healthcare, education, housing, food and clothing, it's really none of my business; just don't expect me to believe a man gave birth. A biological woman who is altering her appearance with surgeries, hormones, and clothing to appear as a man gave birth.
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    Jan 22, 2016 11:09 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidMy gut reaction is "How fucked up is this?! But since I'm not raising the baby - I'm not footing the bills for its healthcare, education, housing, food and clothing, it's really none of my business; just don't expect me to believe a man gave birth. A biological woman who is altering her appearance with surgeries, hormones, and clothing to appear as a man gave birth.

    ^^^^^ Tell it like it is, brother!
  • FRE0

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    Jan 23, 2016 3:22 AM GMT
    robbaker saidLOL this crazy shit is too much and you wonder why real americans are voting for donald trump icon_lol.gif


    Perhaps you could help us to understand how this is detrimental to you.
  • Import

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    Jan 23, 2016 5:30 AM GMT
    A "man" did not give birth to this ....thing.

    A woman did. She birthed a child out of her cunt.
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    Jan 23, 2016 5:38 AM GMT
    robbaker saidDamn i miss the reagan era yearsicon_sad.gif the 80's were the best!

    Calm down, Felicia. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Fit4Masc

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    Jan 23, 2016 7:31 AM GMT
    Think the transgender man term is use too loosely here. She is more likely on the way to have a sex reassignment to become a man! But She still have her woman bits....hence is able to get pregnant and give birth. Taking testosterone does not turn a woman into a man, neither does taking estrogen turns a man into a woman! They need to have full sex change surgery to become one or the other.
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    Jan 23, 2016 9:20 AM GMT
    ^ Their DNA will betray them. I don't think science has devised a way to change someone's XX chromosome pair to XY or vice versa.
  • venue35

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    Jan 23, 2016 11:41 AM GMT
    robbaker saidDamn i miss the reagan era yearsicon_sad.gif the 80's were the best!

    Yeah gays were really accepted in those days!!!!
    Gay men were dying left and right from aids before reagan
    even acknowledged that something awful was happening.
    Think before you type.
  • ASHDOD

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    Jan 23, 2016 12:58 PM GMT
    a healthy cute baby is growing with a single loving parent, what do you need more?
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    Jan 23, 2016 6:00 PM GMT
    Ashdod saida healthy cute baby is growing with a single loving parent, what do you need more?

    Exactly! Which begs the question of why the publicity? And no, FREO, the permissive politics of JS Mill are not the answer.
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    Jan 23, 2016 7:20 PM GMT
    Ashdod saida healthy cute baby is growing with a single loving parent, what do you need more?


    I will go out on a limb here and give the oh so politically incorrect answer of: Ideally a loving partner. I believe children need to see a day in day out example of a loving relationship between two adults and all the compromise, teamwork, and selflessness it takes to make a relationship work. Yes, there are always circumstances where people find themselves as a single parent through no fault of their own. I'm not talking about those instances.

    Again I'll go out on a limb and say that I have a gut feeling that single people who unnecessarily undertake single parenthood are, on some level, doing it for selfish reasons. Maybe to fill an emptiness they feel. Something is missing in their life (obviously a relationship with a loving partner) and they used a child to fill the void. Children should NEVER be used for this purpose. It's pure selfishness. Children are not pets. Raising a child/children with a partner is hard enough (I speak from experience). I'm not saying it's not possible to raise a happy well-adjusted child in a single parent home. I'm sure there are thousands of examples. I just don't think it a wise decision to purposely choose to do it.

    I'm not saying any of this is true for anyone much less this particular woman and her child. However, like MGINSD, I have to ask: Why the publicity?
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    Jan 23, 2016 7:56 PM GMT
    I'll be even more un-pc: I always thought that the sacrifice involved in the decision to raise, and raising children, was as selfish as it is selfless, in that it's done not to perpetuate and for the survival of the species given overpopulation, but for the survival of one's genes, the closest thing to "immortality," even more than lasting fame or inventive influence, we humans have. Also the survival of one's self just in case one has to rely on their children in old age (though that's becoming less of a certainty).
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    Jan 24, 2016 1:00 AM GMT
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    MSG said...why the publicity?...


    I'd've thought obesity would reduce the functionality of a knee jerk reaction.

    What's significant about a story involving three major sects of Judaism which might not all feel the same about LGBT issues, about not just Jewish law, how each sect might interpret and apply Torah but how secular law plays into even the child's birth certificate? Why would that be brought into conversation by a Jewish newspaper for its Jewish audience? Oh mystery of mysteries.

    If only we had a shyster lawyer in the room worth his pillar of salt to help figure it out.

    From the perspective of the audience of that newspaper there's lots of real issues highlighted by the story. So yes, it is a worthy story. Of course, you'd have to find your way out of your own fat head to see that. At the rate you shovel shit you should start seeing the light of day any moment now.

    The story involved an orthodox-raised transgendered father, who in transitioning purposely left the gift of child bearing intact, later impregnated by artificial insemination.

    For living life in the gender he felt meant to be, for maintaining the gift of a body which can bear children, for desiring a loving family of his own, having the capacities of love and of giving birth, this person risked family relations with Orthodox relatives to find some happy as a Reformed Jew and wound up also with the blessings of the Conservatives.
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    Why the publicity. Story? What story? Yeah, right, hardly interesting at all, you putz.
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    Jan 24, 2016 1:24 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidI'll be even more un-pc: I always thought that the sacrifice involved in the decision to raise, and raising children, was as selfish as it is selfless, in that it's done not to perpetuate and for the survival of the species given overpopulation, but for the survival of one's genes, the closest thing to "immortality," even more than lasting fame or inventive influence, we humans have. Also the survival of one's self just in case one has to rely on their children in old age (though that's becoming less of a certainty).


    That may be the case in third world societies more so than in the first with birth rates so low their populations aren't growing. It's the third world that's responsible for the overpopulation of the planet.
  • 24hourguy

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    Jan 24, 2016 2:24 PM GMT
    Wow. Kind of shocked at the vitriolic comments on here. icon_eek.gif I guess even gay people can be real assholes
  • Kazachok

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    Jan 26, 2016 1:45 AM GMT
    Kind of reminds me of Loki.