Bernie Sanders Is Not a Registered Democrat

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    Jan 26, 2016 4:14 AM GMT
    NYT: Bernie Sanders is not a registered Democrat but rather an independent and a self-described democratic socialist.

    Many Democrats are torn about whether his liberalism, or Mrs. Clinton’s pragmatism, will be enough to win a general election.

    “The early enthusiasm for Sanders reminds me of the McGovern and Mondale races, where two good men were only able to win one state each in their presidential campaigns,” said John Breaux, a former Democratic senator from Louisiana, referring to liberalism’s wipeouts behind George McGovern in 1972 and Walter F. Mondale in 1984. “Democratic voters don’t want that to happen again.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/25/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democratic-party-iowa-new-hampshire.html
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    Jan 26, 2016 4:50 AM GMT
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    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/11/05/sanders-declares-democrat-new-hampshire-primary/jxK9D2LQAAKYdUW9CyjjdM/story.html
    Bernie Sanders files for Democratic ballot in N.H. primary

    CONCORD, N.H. - Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders successfully filed for the New Hampshire Democratic primary Thursday, just days after Secretary of State Bill Gardner left uncertain whether he would allow the independent US senator to do so.

    Sanders arrived at the State House a little before 3 p.m. to enthusiastic cheers from a crowd of about 200 supporters. He was accompanied by Raymond Buckley, chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, who was there to support Sanders’ filing in case any challenges were made to his status as a member of the party...

    ...Sanders is technically not a Democrat in the US Senate, though he caucuses with the party. His home state of Vermont does not register its voters with a party.

    When a reporter asked Sanders his party allegiance after he filed, Sanders responded, “I’m a Democrat.”

    He then called on Buckley, the Democratic chairman, who confirmed the senator’s party allegiance. Sanders added that he would run as a Democrat in any future elections.


    https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx
    8. Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?

    No. There is no party registration in Vermont.
  • NerdLifter

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    Jan 26, 2016 3:28 PM GMT
    "Many Democrats are torn about whether his liberalism, or Mrs. Clinton’s pragmatism, will be enough to win a general election."

    Uh, actually, many democrats are enthusiastic about his liberalism and despise Clinton; she is bought and paid for by special interests. Her family made 125 MILLION dollars in speaking fees since 2001. AKA fees that went directly into her family's pocket, which does NOT include campaign donations to her campaigns and her super-PACs. And yes, contrary to what the candidates claim, they DO coordinate with their super-PACs and they know full well who is giving to them and to the dark money 501c4s. Our political system is a laughable farce.

    I have met 7 democratic voters who said that if Hillary gets the nomination, they are voting for either Jill Stein or Trump purely out of spite for the DNC since Debbie Wasserman Schultz beyond obviously rigged the debate schedule.

    If you look at the General Election polls, Bernie Sanders beats all the Republican candidates by more than Hillary Clinton. It's only the establishment media that is pushing this narrative that Hillary is "more pragmatic" and "more electable" when ALL polling data shows the exact opposite. Their heads are busy exploding that both the right and the left are rejecting them.

    And this line was just rich: "Democratic voters don’t want that to happen again.”
    Yeah, damn right they don't want it to happen again; they want the real liberal candidate to get the nomination this time, not the other way around.
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    Jan 26, 2016 4:15 PM GMT
    Bernie is not registered as a democrat because he is a socialist.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    It doesn't really matter because he has worked with democrats over the years. He is still the most qualified candidate for the democratic nomination. He is not a shill for Wall Street which is also helping him surpass the hapless Hillary ho in the polls even though I don't take much stock in the polls.
  • NerdLifter

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    Jan 26, 2016 6:19 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidBernie is not registered as a democrat because he is a socialist.

    Democratic socialist*, and he is not registered as a democrat because being part of the DNC as a senator requires you play along with big money interests. If you don't play along, the DNC stonewalls and will actively attempt to replace you.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 26, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
    NerdLifter said"Many Democrats are torn about whether his liberalism, or Mrs. Clinton’s pragmatism, will be enough to win a general election."

    Uh, actually, many democrats are enthusiastic about his liberalism and despise Clinton; she is bought and paid for by special interests. Her family made 125 MILLION dollars in speaking fees since 2001. AKA fees that went directly into her family's pocket, which does NOT include campaign donations to her campaigns and her super-PACs. And yes, contrary to what the candidates claim, they DO coordinate with their super-PACs and they know full well who is giving to them and to the dark money 501c4s. Our political system is a laughable farce.

    I have met 7 democratic voters who said that if Hillary gets the nomination, they are voting for either Jill Stein or Trump purely out of spite for the DNC since Debbie Wasserman Schultz beyond obviously rigged the debate schedule.

    If you look at the General Election polls, Bernie Sanders beats all the Republican candidates by more than Hillary Clinton. It's only the establishment media that is pushing this narrative that Hillary is "more pragmatic" and "more electable" when ALL polling data shows the exact opposite. Their heads are busy exploding that both the right and the left are rejecting them.

    And this line was just rich: "Democratic voters don’t want that to happen again.”
    Yeah, damn right they don't want it to happen again; they want the real liberal candidate to get the nomination this time, not the other way around.

    Sounds like they want revenge and are willing to subject the country to republicans, if they can't get Bernie. I love Sanders' vision, but his fury is just making his fervent supporters look almost as delusional and unhinged as Trump supporters.

    I think people want a boss (Trump) or a liberal college professor-type (Sanders), and not a politician who takes money from super PACs. The trouble is, we need someone who's not just a venting ideologue or billionaire playboy. The US has the number 1 economy in the world, and these fringe-types want to have a revolution and start over from scratch???

    Personally, I think Obama has been the best POTUS in my lifetime, and the right, or far left, can gripe about it till doomsday, but it would be a huge mistake to throw the baby out with bathwater and elect someone who's so radical that he might actually send all our jobs to China, once and for all.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2016 7:45 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    NerdLifter said"Many Democrats are torn about whether his liberalism, or Mrs. Clinton’s pragmatism, will be enough to win a general election."

    Uh, actually, many democrats are enthusiastic about his liberalism and despise Clinton; she is bought and paid for by special interests. Her family made 125 MILLION dollars in speaking fees since 2001. AKA fees that went directly into her family's pocket, which does NOT include campaign donations to her campaigns and her super-PACs. And yes, contrary to what the candidates claim, they DO coordinate with their super-PACs and they know full well who is giving to them and to the dark money 501c4s. Our political system is a laughable farce.

    I have met 7 democratic voters who said that if Hillary gets the nomination, they are voting for either Jill Stein or Trump purely out of spite for the DNC since Debbie Wasserman Schultz beyond obviously rigged the debate schedule.

    If you look at the General Election polls, Bernie Sanders beats all the Republican candidates by more than Hillary Clinton. It's only the establishment media that is pushing this narrative that Hillary is "more pragmatic" and "more electable" when ALL polling data shows the exact opposite. Their heads are busy exploding that both the right and the left are rejecting them.

    And this line was just rich: "Democratic voters don’t want that to happen again.”
    Yeah, damn right they don't want it to happen again; they want the real liberal candidate to get the nomination this time, not the other way around.

    Sounds like they want revenge and are willing to subject the country to republicans, if they can't get Bernie. I love Sanders' vision, but his fury is just making his fervent supporters look almost as delusional and unhinged as Trump supporters.

    I think people want a boss (Trump) or a liberal college professor-type (Sanders), and not a politician who takes money from super PACs. The trouble is, we need someone who's not just a venting ideologue or billionaire playboy. The US has the number 1 economy in the world, and these fringe-types want to have a revolution and start over from scratch???

    Personally, I think Obama has been the best POTUS in my lifetime, and the right, or far left, can gripe about it till doomsday, but it would be a huge mistake to throw the baby out with bathwater and elect someone who's so radical that he might actually send all our jobs to China, once and for all.
    It is all you Hillary supporters who are delusional thinking that this crooked, power hungry, incompetent bitch is the most qualified for President. You are a brain dead idiot for wanting the hapless Hillary ho for President. The bimbo talks a good game but she has zero leadership skills. But you are too stupid thanks to your marijuana addiction. Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the democratic ticket. It is either Bernie or O'Malley or the right wing lunatic front runners in the GOP. Pick your poison bunky.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 26, 2016 7:53 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    NerdLifter said"Many Democrats are torn about whether his liberalism, or Mrs. Clinton’s pragmatism, will be enough to win a general election."

    Uh, actually, many democrats are enthusiastic about his liberalism and despise Clinton; she is bought and paid for by special interests. Her family made 125 MILLION dollars in speaking fees since 2001. AKA fees that went directly into her family's pocket, which does NOT include campaign donations to her campaigns and her super-PACs. And yes, contrary to what the candidates claim, they DO coordinate with their super-PACs and they know full well who is giving to them and to the dark money 501c4s. Our political system is a laughable farce.

    I have met 7 democratic voters who said that if Hillary gets the nomination, they are voting for either Jill Stein or Trump purely out of spite for the DNC since Debbie Wasserman Schultz beyond obviously rigged the debate schedule.

    If you look at the General Election polls, Bernie Sanders beats all the Republican candidates by more than Hillary Clinton. It's only the establishment media that is pushing this narrative that Hillary is "more pragmatic" and "more electable" when ALL polling data shows the exact opposite. Their heads are busy exploding that both the right and the left are rejecting them.

    And this line was just rich: "Democratic voters don’t want that to happen again.”
    Yeah, damn right they don't want it to happen again; they want the real liberal candidate to get the nomination this time, not the other way around.

    Sounds like they want revenge and are willing to subject the country to republicans, if they can't get Bernie. I love Sanders' vision, but his fury is just making his fervent supporters look almost as delusional and unhinged as Trump supporters.

    I think people want a boss (Trump) or a liberal college professor-type (Sanders), and not a politician who takes money from super PACs. The trouble is, we need someone who's not just a venting ideologue or billionaire playboy. The US has the number 1 economy in the world, and these fringe-types want to have a revolution and start over from scratch???

    Personally, I think Obama has been the best POTUS in my lifetime, and the right, or far left, can gripe about it till doomsday, but it would be a huge mistake to throw the baby out with bathwater and elect someone who's so radical that he might actually send all our jobs to China, once and for all.
    It is all you Hillary supporters who are delusional thinking that this crooked, power hungry, incompetent bitch is the most qualified for President. You are a brain dead idiot for wanting the hapless Hillary ho for President. The bimbo talks a good game but she has zero leadership skills. But you are too stupid thanks to your marijuana addiction. Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the democratic ticket. It is either Bernie or O'Malley or the right wing lunatic front runners in the GOP. Pick your poison bunky.

    TBH, if all I cared about was my "marijuana addiction" then I'd be voting for Sanders, no questions asked. I'd love to have legal recreational-use marijuana be the law of the land (although i think even Bernie would still leave it up to the states), but I'm not a one-issue voter....

    I might still vote for Sanders in the primary. My husband is voting for him... I just hope that if Clinton is the ultimate nominee that Sanders supporters will support her. The alternative (which would be any republican, including Trump) would be a dystopian horror show that none of us want to have to live through.
  • tj85016

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    Jan 26, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
    good, more politicians should leave these crooked, strong-armed, garbage parties

    Bernie looks even better to me not being a registered anything

    we'd be better of without these kiddie clubs for screwed-up adults
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 26, 2016 8:03 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidgood, more politicians should leave these crooked, strong-armed, garbage parties

    Bernie looks even better to me not being a registered anything

    we'd be better of without these kiddie clubs for screwed-up adults

    You could probably make that argument for any organization, including the country itself. If we didn't have the USA, Canada and Mexico to segregate us North Americans, we might be better off and have more liberties, but all these screwed up adults wants their walls, their guns and their wars on drugs.icon_mad.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2016 8:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    roadbikeRob said
    HottJoe said
    NerdLifter said"Many Democrats are torn about whether his liberalism, or Mrs. Clinton’s pragmatism, will be enough to win a general election."

    Uh, actually, many democrats are enthusiastic about his liberalism and despise Clinton; she is bought and paid for by special interests. Her family made 125 MILLION dollars in speaking fees since 2001. AKA fees that went directly into her family's pocket, which does NOT include campaign donations to her campaigns and her super-PACs. And yes, contrary to what the candidates claim, they DO coordinate with their super-PACs and they know full well who is giving to them and to the dark money 501c4s. Our political system is a laughable farce.

    I have met 7 democratic voters who said that if Hillary gets the nomination, they are voting for either Jill Stein or Trump purely out of spite for the DNC since Debbie Wasserman Schultz beyond obviously rigged the debate schedule.

    If you look at the General Election polls, Bernie Sanders beats all the Republican candidates by more than Hillary Clinton. It's only the establishment media that is pushing this narrative that Hillary is "more pragmatic" and "more electable" when ALL polling data shows the exact opposite. Their heads are busy exploding that both the right and the left are rejecting them.

    And this line was just rich: "Democratic voters don’t want that to happen again.”
    Yeah, damn right they don't want it to happen again; they want the real liberal candidate to get the nomination this time, not the other way around.

    Sounds like they want revenge and are willing to subject the country to republicans, if they can't get Bernie. I love Sanders' vision, but his fury is just making his fervent supporters look almost as delusional and unhinged as Trump supporters.

    I think people want a boss (Trump) or a liberal college professor-type (Sanders), and not a politician who takes money from super PACs. The trouble is, we need someone who's not just a venting ideologue or billionaire playboy. The US has the number 1 economy in the world, and these fringe-types want to have a revolution and start over from scratch???

    Personally, I think Obama has been the best POTUS in my lifetime, and the right, or far left, can gripe about it till doomsday, but it would be a huge mistake to throw the baby out with bathwater and elect someone who's so radical that he might actually send all our jobs to China, once and for all.
    It is all you Hillary supporters who are delusional thinking that this crooked, power hungry, incompetent bitch is the most qualified for President. You are a brain dead idiot for wanting the hapless Hillary ho for President. The bimbo talks a good game but she has zero leadership skills. But you are too stupid thanks to your marijuana addiction. Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the democratic ticket. It is either Bernie or O'Malley or the right wing lunatic front runners in the GOP. Pick your poison bunky.

    TBH, if all I cared about was my "marijuana addiction" then I'd be voting for Sanders, no questions asked. I'd love to have legal recreational-use marijuana be the law of the land (although i think even Bernie would still leave it up to the states), but I'm not a one-issue voter....

    I might still vote for Sanders in the primary. My husband is voting for him... I just hope that if Clinton is the ultimate nominee that Sanders supporters will support her. The alternative (which would be any republican, including Trump) would be a dystopian horror show that none of us want to have to live through.
    If the hapless Hillary ho is the nominee, hopefully the republican nominee will crush her in the general election because having that corrupt, incompetent whore as President will deeply divide and literally destroy this great country. If Sanders can't get nominated than we all need to support Martin O'Malley from Maryland as the viable alternative. But never even think of supporting Hillary because she is unqualified, untrustworthy, and totally unfit for President.
  • toastvenom

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    Jan 26, 2016 8:08 PM GMT
    socialist is not a dirty word. whats wrong with wanting to topple the way the corrupt, self serving political system works? anyone against REAL change, really has been brainwashed into thinking that there cant be nothing better outside the square sandbox that big business and greased politicians created. if u want to kill the beast u go for the head and not its money clenched claws.
  • tj85016

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    Jan 26, 2016 8:11 PM GMT
    please, most Americans are socialists

    they either don't know it or can't stand to admit it
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    Jan 26, 2016 8:21 PM GMT
    Toastvenom saidsocialist is not a dirty word. whats wrong with wanting to topple the way the corrupt, self serving political system works? anyone against REAL change, really has been brainwashed into thinking that there cant be nothing better outside the square sandbox that big business and greased politicians created. if u want to kill the beast u go for the head and not its money clenched claws.


    There is nothing more self serving and corrupt than Socialism....wait maybe Communism but anything that requires a burocracy is going to be corrupt.
  • tj85016

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    Jan 26, 2016 8:24 PM GMT
    ^^

    please, almost everything west of Chicago was built using socialist principles: the water, the phones, the electricity, the roads, most of the schools
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 26, 2016 8:35 PM GMT
    Toastvenom saidsocialist is not a dirty word. whats wrong with wanting to topple the way the corrupt, self serving political system works? anyone against REAL change, really has been brainwashed into thinking that there cant be nothing better outside the square sandbox that big business and greased politicians created. if u want to kill the beast u go for the head and not its money clenched claws.

    I agree with the sentiment, and the idealism, and I would implement or beef-up many socialist policies, in order to help the poor and middle-class achieve upward mobility.

    My problem with Bernie Sanders is that he's just barking at me, like he's angry. He wants some kind of across-the-board socialism, which he seems willing to lop heads off for, and it's a little scary, because it assumes that everyone will be on board with some honky-dory vision he has, where everyone goes to college and has high-paying jobs waiting---just because they want them---and that the business owners are just constantly kept under thumb. It sounds sorta like communism, and I just don't see how it could succeed. I'd rather deal with corruption head-on than the failure to recognize that the system can't be rigged like Animal Farm.

    Unfortunately, too much socialism conflicts with human nature. We're not flocks of birds who fly in perfect formation. We're more like monkeys who throw shit at each other and steal each others snake eggs for laughs.

    I truly think it's human nature to be self-serving, whether you're a democrat or a republican, Sanders or Cruz. If humans could be trusted with the ideals of socialism, then we wouldn't be the type of species to wipe out the forests and whales, in the first place.

    I think we need some capitalism, and Wall Street, if we want to be number 1 in the world economy moving forward, and the incentive of "getting rich," or "rags to riches," even it's just a pipe dream, is more appealing and a bigger driving force than envisioning us all sitting around sharing apples and discussing the ruins of the old world. This isn't about the spiritual enlightenment of a populace that might be shored up into one booming voice. It's all about jobs, jobs, jobs, and dreaming of how to invent some newfangled mousetrap, going on Shark Tank, and becoming millionaire.
  • Apparition

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    Jan 26, 2016 11:44 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    Toastvenom saidsocialist is not a dirty word. whats wrong with wanting to topple the way the corrupt, self serving political system works? anyone against REAL change, really has been brainwashed into thinking that there cant be nothing better outside the square sandbox that big business and greased politicians created. if u want to kill the beast u go for the head and not its money clenched claws.


    There is nothing more self serving and corrupt than Socialism....wait maybe Communism but anything that requires a burocracy is going to be corrupt.



    um I think a whole lot of people like roads, schools, police, firemen, national parks and we KNOW all the republicans like their military. Too bad all that SOCIALISM has to go....got an issue....pay someone to fix it for you...it is the conservative way.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 27, 2016 12:25 AM GMT
    I honestly can't understand how a true democrat could vote for Hillary over Bernie.
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    Jan 27, 2016 12:36 AM GMT
    Ckfeezy saidI honestly can't understand how a true democrat could vote for Hillary over Bernie.


    because she has a uterus, that's the sole reason
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    Jan 27, 2016 12:50 AM GMT
    Just like Trump, Sanders bring issues to the forefront that no one was willing to talk about. Also, I like the idea that he promotes, of taking care of ourselves for a change...tired of policing the world, being part of every conflict in the world, and to continue the insurmountable war spending and defense industries to keep the economy strong. Instead in improving our job situation, immigration control and security, and spending in our infrastructure that is so badly in need with bridges and roads falling apart in this country. Currently I am still undecided between him and Hillary. In terms of his socialist programs, etc. the media and everyone else makes him look like a threat...but ULTIMATELY if he is elected President he has to work with CONGRESS.

    CONGRESS is the ultimate word in spending, and what programs get enacted. So, he can be idealistic and want all the Social programs in the world, but without Congress approval nothing will get through. I see him more as able to compromise and work with Congress, just as any President that starts with a program or agenda should do. Many times you do not get all your initiatives, programs, etc. as originally planned, is a matter of compromising, but still making things to work in Congress for the good of all us in this country. Tired of all this gridlock and self interest.

    This is where I see Sanders being able to work the aisles better as President between Democrats and Republicans. With Hillary I see the status quo and not much being done.
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    Jan 27, 2016 12:51 AM GMT
    Hillary Clinton is power hungry and deeply honest. I can't understand why democrats think that she is a good candidate. She is extremely flawed and deeply polarizing. I don't agree with Sanders but I have more respect for his supporters.
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    Jan 27, 2016 1:44 AM GMT
    For the Democrats on here who were around in 1984, remember what Mondale, a thorough decent liberal, said, and am paraphrasing: More taxes for more government.

    This is the identical slogan used by Bernie Sanders today in 2016. Will Sanders win one state like Mondale did back in 1984. Or is the country in a general election socialistic enough to deliver Bernie the Whitehouse?

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 27, 2016 2:31 AM GMT
    Ckfeezy saidI honestly can't understand how a true democrat could vote for Hillary over Bernie.
    My young friend, there is a lot of stupid in large segments of American society. That is why the hapless Hillary ho has the support but a growing number of Americans have grown very suspicious of her and are seeing her for what she really is, a lying power hungry dishonest bitch that will say and do anything to ingratiate herself.
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    Jan 27, 2016 2:45 AM GMT
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    This is not 30 years ago.

    As I understand it, the new taxes are meant to be offset by even greater savings in insurance premiums. So then the question is does the public understand where insurance premiums were when Mondale ran, where are they today with Bernie and were would they be tomorrow with the profiteering Trump & Republican Co.

    So while the public might not be very good at math, perhaps they will understand the difference between

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/bernie-sanders-taxes-walter-mondale/
    Sanders' health care plan calls for raising income taxes by 2.2%. In addition, to pay for at least 12 weeks of family and medical leave, he'd boost payroll taxes by $1.61 a week for the typical worker


    and...

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    etc.

    So it is since Mondale ran, which, come to think of it is since Reagan was in office, that these costs have skyrocketed.

    Probably just a coincidence.