Air Canada Business Class, Vancouver-Shanghai

  • ChicagoSteve

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    Jan 26, 2016 10:34 PM GMT
    Very detailed and interesting flight report on Air Canada's 787 Dreamliner. Looks really nice!


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    Jan 27, 2016 12:21 AM GMT
    Very cool videos - thanks!

    I'm currently in the throes of trying to wrangle R/T business seats using FF miles between SAN and LHR on AA or BA for travel late this Spring. Like pulling teeth, but with daily interceptions of their booking systems I think I'm about ready to move in for the kill. BA's resuming 747 service between SAN and LHR soon, to replace the 777 it now flies; they're also starting N/S service between SJC and LHR. It'll be nice watching the '47s come in for landing from my deck around sunset, which is when their flights arrive. If I'm drinking a gin, which has been known to happen, I always give them a toast. Nice to see that Air Canada pours Bombay Sapphire, BTW. Cheers! icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 27, 2016 12:58 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidMuch nicer than what AA is using as the new J class on the 788, where half the seats face forward and half face backwards.
    I would probably not like backwards facing seats, wonder why AA would do that?
    Just flew back from PSP-ORD last Sunday on AA, but was not able to get upgraded. I usually have good luck getting an upgrade when I do online check in, but not this timeicon_sad.gif So I sat in 23A and mellowed out with two white wines and some Goldfish crackersicon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 27, 2016 8:43 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    MGINSD saidVery cool videos - thanks!

    I'm currently in the throes of trying to wrangle R/T business seats using FF miles between SAN and LHR on AA or BA for travel late this Spring. Like pulling teeth, but with daily interceptions of their booking systems I think I'm about ready to move in for the kill. BA's resuming 747 service between SAN and LHR soon, to replace the 777 it now flies; they're also starting N/S service between SJC and LHR. It'll be nice watching the '47s come in for landing from my deck around sunset, which is when their flights arrive. If I'm drinking a gin, which has been known to happen, I always give them a toast. Nice to see that Air Canada pours Bombay Sapphire, BTW. Cheers! icon_cool.gif


    If I were you, AVOID the BA J class. They are also backwards and forwards seats and extremely tight, plus you need to step over the other person's feet to get to the aisle.

    Instead, use AA's brand new 777-300ER which has a superb J class with only forward facing seats. AA flies 1x per day LAX to LHR on the 777-300ER.

    Oh, and one other thing: BA charges an outrageous "fuel surcharge" in the fees that you will pay on an award ticket. Your "free" ticket could end up costing you $500 or more!

    Thanks, sobe; I cottoned onto that ridiculous "surcharge" right away and am looking at AA's LAX-LHR N/S instead. Paying around $250 in extra charges for a Business Saver Award beats paying $850 to BA, and sitting backwards to boot. I wonder if their new 747 service to SAN will have those same cockeyed seats? At any rate, anything over $300 in "surcharges" on an award ticket won't fly as far as I'm concerned. OTOH, waiting until the 787s come into service on either route could make sense, given how that Air Canada video looks.
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    Jan 27, 2016 8:46 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    southbeach1500 saidMuch nicer than what AA is using as the new J class on the 788, where half the seats face forward and half face backwards.
    I would probably not like backwards facing seats, wonder why AA would do that?
    Just flew back from PSP-ORD last Sunday on AA, but was not able to get upgraded. I usually have good luck getting an upgrade when I do online check in, but not this timeicon_sad.gif So I sat in 23A and mellowed out with two white wines and some Goldfish crackersicon_biggrin.gif

    Bummer seatwise, but hope you had fun in "the Springs" and at least you got the shady side of the plane. I've found that by repeatedly checking seats as one's flight approaches, it's often possible to progressively improve them. Me, I'm an upfront, windows kinda guy. icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 27, 2016 11:02 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    ChicagoSteve said
    southbeach1500 saidMuch nicer than what AA is using as the new J class on the 788, where half the seats face forward and half face backwards.
    I would probably not like backwards facing seats, wonder why AA would do that?
    Just flew back from PSP-ORD last Sunday on AA, but was not able to get upgraded. I usually have good luck getting an upgrade when I do online check in, but not this timeicon_sad.gif So I sat in 23A and mellowed out with two white wines and some Goldfish crackersicon_biggrin.gif

    Bummer seatwise, but hope you had fun in "the Springs" and at least you got the shady side of the plane. I've found that by repeatedly checking seats as one's flight approaches, it's often possible to progressively improve them. Me, I'm an upfront, windows kinda guy. icon_cool.gif
    What I probably should have done is just pay extra for the exit row on my return when I first booked the trip.(I did that on the outbound flight). If I get upgraded 24 hours out, AA will refund what I paid for the coach exit row seat anyway. I'll remember next time.
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    Jan 27, 2016 11:12 PM GMT
    The one time I bought an E+ seat on AA from SAN to ORD it was not worth it. JetBlue's, OTOH, from SAN to JFK, was. I always had good luck with empty middies on JB, too.
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    Jan 28, 2016 1:25 AM GMT
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    Jan 28, 2016 11:31 PM GMT
    Wow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.
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    Jan 29, 2016 6:01 PM GMT
    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.
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    Jan 29, 2016 8:36 PM GMT
    Interesting, if sickening, event on recent AA 109 from LHR-LAX:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3419458/Los-Angeles-bound-flight-returns-Heathrow-medical-emergency-involving-passengers-crew.html

    Probably a one-time incident involving something near the restroom or galley. Still, I don't like the idea of clueless passengers not thinking before they pack!
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    Jan 29, 2016 8:38 PM GMT
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    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.


    I think I can justify the cost but I do not think I would be ever able to afford it. Definitely not on Indian paycheque.
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    Jan 29, 2016 8:41 PM GMT
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    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.


    What if you knew about and could have bought the BA business class seats from LAX or SFO to LHR for $1,800 that were on sale few months ago? Only a couple hundred more than regular economy. Bargains are sometimes out there, and worth taking advantage of.
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    Jan 29, 2016 9:03 PM GMT
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    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.


    What if you knew about and could have bought the BA business class seats from LAX or SFO to LHR for $1,800 that were on sale few months ago? Only a couple hundred more than regular economy. Bargains are sometimes out there, and worth taking advantage of.

    Did that include BA's "fuel charge," which can run over $850 for this round trip?
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    Jan 29, 2016 11:01 PM GMT
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    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.


    What if you knew about and could have bought the BA business class seats from LAX or SFO to LHR for $1,800 that were on sale few months ago? Only a couple hundred more than regular economy. Bargains are sometimes out there, and worth taking advantage of.

    Did that include BA's "fuel charge," which can run over $850 for this round trip?

    Yes - even included Great Britain's large tax for landing at Heathrow. BA must have lost money on every ticket they sold.
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    Jan 29, 2016 11:10 PM GMT
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    MGINSD said
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    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.


    What if you knew about and could have bought the BA business class seats from LAX or SFO to LHR for $1,800 that were on sale few months ago? Only a couple hundred more than regular economy. Bargains are sometimes out there, and worth taking advantage of.

    Did that include BA's "fuel charge," which can run over $850 for this round trip?

    Yes - even included Great Britain's large tax for landing at Heathrow. BA must have lost money on every ticket they sold.

    Hmmm ... well, I think I'd rather travel on AA's J class using 100K miles R/T and paying only around $250 in fees, in light of what Sobe said above.
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    Jan 30, 2016 2:43 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    HikerSkier said
    MGINSD said
    HikerSkier said
    PulseFit said
    ricky1987 saidWow very nice. Though, I don't think I will ever go above economy.


    Me neither. I just cannot justify the extra cost, it seems so much more expensive and I'd rather spend that kind of money on something else.


    What if you knew about and could have bought the BA business class seats from LAX or SFO to LHR for $1,800 that were on sale few months ago? Only a couple hundred more than regular economy. Bargains are sometimes out there, and worth taking advantage of.

    Did that include BA's "fuel charge," which can run over $850 for this round trip?

    Yes - even included Great Britain's large tax for landing at Heathrow. BA must have lost money on every ticket they sold.

    Hmmm ... well, I think I'd rather travel on AA's J class using 100K miles R/T and paying only around $250 in fees, in light of what Sobe said above.

    AA might have better J class seating -I don't have a lot of miles on AA, but looking at their award info page,

    http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/redeemMiles/american-airlines-award-chart.jsp

    it looks like a normal J class R/T ticket to Europe is 220k miles. Only the "Saver" awards are 100k. My experience with United is that the "saver" awards in J class only exist in theory, and cannot ever be booked - I would imagine that American is about the same.
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    Jan 30, 2016 8:08 PM GMT
    Right, but with a little skill and persistence I hope to book one. I've come close a few times, but you have to stick w/ it. BA is MUCH stingier w/ their awards, on top of those outlandish fees. The boat is always an option, too; interestingly/consistently/disappointingly, only Cunard charges a single supplement across the pond. Longer crossings out of FL via the Azores, Portugal, and France are comparatively cheap and may be the way I go. Either way, it beats 14 days on a ship of the US Navy!
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    Feb 02, 2016 11:42 PM GMT
    I normally book my trips across the pond through BA Holidays. Not only do they do some unbeatable flight + hotel packages, but they usually upgrade me on the outbound or inbound flight, which is always a nice surprise at departures.
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    Feb 03, 2016 12:43 AM GMT
    Do you know the "Town of Ramsgate" pub in Wapping? Bills itself as the "oldest pub on the Thames," and place where Judge Jeffreys, one of my favorite villains in history, was caught after J2 was deposed. He was recognized despite his disguise by a lawyer whom he'd abused in court! Definitely on my list - and not just because I know a few judges I'd like to send photos of its historical marker to!
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    Feb 03, 2016 8:33 AM GMT
    I think I saw it on my Thames Path walk, but wasn't aware of that factoid. There are some lovely old buildings in that area. Take the walk from Tower Bridge.

    http://content.tfl.gov.uk/thames-path-north-section-3.pdf

    Jeffreys got around. He has a strong association with Taunton (in my part of the world), where he tried about 150 rebels.
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    Feb 03, 2016 9:40 PM GMT
    Very nice indeed. I tried Etihad's first class cabin(called "First Apartment") before, and that was awesome (too costly though and I promised myself I'd never do that again, ever). Singapore Airlines and Emirates have great first and business class cabins as well.