Best protein shakes for fat burning/muscle building?

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    Jan 28, 2016 7:56 PM GMT
    I just started doing some strength training, but my goal isn't to put on weight. I'm looking to lose weight. I want to burn fat while adding lean muscle. Preferably, something I can drink after my workouts that will keep me in fat burning mode.

    Any recommendations?
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    Jan 28, 2016 7:58 PM GMT
    OMG these retarded questions


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    Jan 28, 2016 9:13 PM GMT
    Not an expert, but I'm pretty sure strength doesn't really burn substantial fat directly but rather indirectly by improving your metabolism and enhancing the impact of cardio. Both of these, I think, happen in direct proportion to lean mass gains (though this may not be a direct causal relationship).

    From what I've read resistance training burns available blood sugar first and then consumes protein to make up any shortcomings after the slow constant (but almost certainly inadequate for strength) burning of fat is taken into account.

    If I understand this semi-correctly, then, your protein shake is really mostly serving not just to promote lean gains, but even more to prevent lean loss. Lots of lifters will actually concentrate their carb intake immediately before and after training, so as to further minimize any lean loss.

    I know this doesn't directly answer your question, but I think I'm correct in saying that your protein shakes only play a indirect (twice removed, really, though still important) role in weight loss. I think the more important angle is to make sure you are cutting carbs any time you are not active, to make sure you include cardio in your routine, and to make sure that your overall caloric intake is both (A) less than you are expending and (B) heavier in healthy, nutrient-dense fats than in carbs of any sort.
  • badbug

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    Jan 29, 2016 1:45 AM GMT

    It depends what your goals are.


    You say you want to lose fat and build muscle but don't want to gain weight? That's somewhat convoluted.

    Would you be happier if you lost 20 lbs of fat and gained 2 lbs of muscle? Or lost 10 lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle? How much excess fat do you have on yourself to begin with?


    It's far easier for a fat person to add muscle while shedding fat than it is for a skinnier person. If you don't have much fat to begin with, your muscle gains will be very slow if you go this route. I think there is a lot more you need to consider from the sounds of your post you don't have the best knowledge base to start from, which is fine everyone starts somewhere.


    As for the question directly:

    You would be best off buying a grass fed whey protein concentrate from a country like new zealand or canada. Grass fed whey has more CLA which helps with fat burning amoung other things, canada and new zealand also have stricter dairly laws preventing the use of hormones and antibiotics.

    If you get a whey isolate, it is less important it be grass fed. I would go with a concentrate though, because it has more bioactive stuff in it that will benefit a beginner. You need healthy fats anyways and concentrate is cheaper while being more beneficial for adding muscle. Isolate is better for reducing fat and carb intake but so marginally that it would only really matter to professional athletes.


    Also, you want a good amount of protein every 3-4 hours and especially before bed. Bed is where your body does a lot of hormone building and muscle repair.


    I wouldn't worry so much about being in a caloric defecit or positive until you get the nutrient content of your diet sorted and the weight lifting routine sorted. If you are eating a little too many healthy vegetables and fruits, it's not going to be too big an issue if you are getting the right amounts of healthy fats and protein.

    A calorie in is not a calorie out. Your body is NOT a flame, some calories are not the same as others and cause different responses in your body. Everyone knows this, if you eat 2000 calories of doughnuts or 2000 calories of brocoli, your body is not going to look the same on either diet.


    Watch out for artifical sweeteners. Find a nice whey concentrate that is flavourless if you can. And stevia isn't some harmless wonder chemical either, you don't want to be taking large amounts of that shit.

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    Jan 29, 2016 4:02 AM GMT
    badbug said
    It depends what your goals are.


    You say you want to lose fat and build muscle but don't want to gain weight? That's somewhat convoluted.

    Would you be happier if you lost 20 lbs of fat and gained 2 lbs of muscle? Or lost 10 lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle? How much excess fat do you have on yourself to begin with?


    It's far easier for a fat person to add muscle while shedding fat than it is for a skinnier person. If you don't have much fat to begin with, your muscle gains will be very slow if you go this route. I think there is a lot more you need to consider from the sounds of your post you don't have the best knowledge base to start from, which is fine everyone starts somewhere.


    As for the question directly:

    You would be best off buying a grass fed whey protein concentrate from a country like new zealand or canada. Grass fed whey has more CLA which helps with fat burning amoung other things, canada and new zealand also have stricter dairly laws preventing the use of hormones and antibiotics.

    If you get a whey isolate, it is less important it be grass fed. I would go with a concentrate though, because it has more bioactive stuff in it that will benefit a beginner. You need healthy fats anyways and concentrate is cheaper while being more beneficial for adding muscle. Isolate is better for reducing fat and carb intake but so marginally that it would only really matter to professional athletes.


    Also, you want a good amount of protein every 3-4 hours and especially before bed. Bed is where your body does a lot of hormone building and muscle repair.


    I wouldn't worry so much about being in a caloric defecit or positive until you get the nutrient content of your diet sorted and the weight lifting routine sorted. If you are eating a little too many healthy vegetables and fruits, it's not going to be too big an issue if you are getting the right amounts of healthy fats and protein.

    A calorie in is not a calorie out. Your body is NOT a flame, some calories are not the same as others and cause different responses in your body. Everyone knows this, if you eat 2000 calories of doughnuts or 2000 calories of brocoli, your body is not going to look the same on either diet.


    Watch out for artifical sweeteners. Find a nice whey concentrate that is flavourless if you can. And stevia isn't some harmless wonder chemical either, you don't want to be taking large amounts of that shit.



    I guess what I meant was, I want the number on the scale to go down, not up lol.
  • Chainers

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    Jan 29, 2016 4:55 AM GMT
    You can't add muscle and lose weight at the same time. Pick one, stick to it until you reach your goal, then move to the other.
  • Noeton

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    Jan 29, 2016 5:42 AM GMT
    I didn't read all the responses, so this may be redundant.

    What I would do is buy the cheapest whey protein powder from Vitamin Shoppe (or wherever) and take about 4 servings at once instead of a meal after your workout or anytime of day. Add anything you want to it to make it more tasty, as long as it's not sugar of any kind (including fruit and milk). Good luck!
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    Jan 29, 2016 5:49 AM GMT
    Chainers saidYou can't add muscle and lose weight at the same time. Pick one, stick to it until you reach your goal, then move to the other.

    He probably meant lose fat.
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    Jan 29, 2016 5:54 AM GMT
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    Jan 29, 2016 2:09 PM GMT
    Whatever flavor floats your boat. Gold-Standard-Whey.jpg
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    Jan 29, 2016 2:39 PM GMT
    Crixus_ saidWhatever flavor floats your boat. Gold-Standard-Whey.jpg


    The label says "do not use for weight reduction".
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    Jan 29, 2016 2:39 PM GMT
    the On Gold Standard whey protein is a good value. Buy it online.

    cant gain muscle mass and loose weight at the same time so figure what you want to do. Doing lite to medium cardio will get you an extra -600 calories. That is 2 candy bars. Stay at home, not eat and get near your target weight.

    Casein whey protein that is slower to digest. This type of whey protein dosnt mix well, need a blender, more expensive.

    Its a given the lowest calorie whey protein will not taste good hand have lots of chemicals. Also standard whey protein is digested rather fast so good idea to take several small servings. Mix low calorie protein with lemon crystal lite, for the lowest diet situation. On the short run the chemicals will not kill you out right.

    Fair to say any type of diet is more good than bad. Write down what you eat over a few days and google the total calories per day. Less than 1800 calories you loose weight.



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    Jan 29, 2016 2:40 PM GMT
    Chainers saidYou can't add muscle and lose weight at the same time. Pick one, stick to it until you reach your goal, then move to the other.


    This is absolutely right. It would be helpful to get a few measurements - waist circumference, weight, BMI and body fat %. Then you will know where to start.
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    Jan 29, 2016 3:40 PM GMT
    Drink a gallon of water a day and eat clean. Stay dedicated and focused on your goal bud. I do fasted cardio first thing in the morning and lift after work. I use what I use because it's worked for me and from reviews, plenty of others as well. You picked a sore subject on this one man. icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 29, 2016 3:54 PM GMT
    I'm not too educated about diet/fitness, so sorry if these questions seem dumb. Basically, I do want to shed body fat and put on muscle. However, right now I'm pretty fat lol. I'm only 5'9" and I weigh 235 and let's just say, not much of it is muscle haha.

    Would the whey protein still be good for me to take considering my goals? Or is just going to make me bigger?
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    Jan 29, 2016 4:12 PM GMT
    Paleo diet is exactly what you are looking for. By increasing fat and eliminating sugar and dead carbs it retrains your body to burn cholesterol for fuel. Paleo will burn your existing bad fat and build muscle. The amount of fat you will lose (5 lbs a week) is scary for some since people self identity with their body size. You will lose around 45 pounds in 12 weeks because you will be gaining some muscle with moderate exercise.
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    Jan 29, 2016 4:29 PM GMT
    ^ load of bull crap, you even realize how stupid you sound - eat fat and you will burn bad fat by eating more fat and less carbs


    idiot



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  • MarvelBoy23

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    Jan 29, 2016 5:08 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidPaleo diet is exactly what you are looking for. By increasing fat and eliminating sugar and dead carbs it retrains your body to burn cholesterol for fuel. Paleo will burn your existing bad fat and build muscle. The amount of fat you will lose (5 lbs a week) is scary for some since people self identity with their body size. You will lose around 45 pounds in 12 weeks because you will be gaining some muscle with moderate exercise.


    Agreed!
  • badbug

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    Jan 30, 2016 1:16 AM GMT
    cant gain muscle mass and loose weight at the same time


    Of course you can. This is a silly myth.

    The idea behind it is that you need to be in a positive calorie intake for your body to produce muscle. Which makes zero sense if you think about it.

    Your body is a complex machine, it's designed to do all sorts of process and partitions all sorts of fuel sources. Saying you can't add muscle unless you are adding more calories than your are burning, is like saying your body can't heal bones if you break your leg unless you're taking in more calories than you're burning. If your body can survive an organ transplant or repair its fractures or GROW HAIR while you're starving because you're lying in bed and can't move around, of course it can build muscle if you are lifting weights and feeding yourself protein.


    There are literally hundreds of studies of people losing weight and building muscle at the same time.
    We all know people who have done it, how many fat guys lose 50lbs at the gym and end up being able to curl or bench more weight than when they started?



    Anywho, just writing that cause it's not good to have that myth continue. It makes people who are overweight think they have to choose between one or the other.

  • Noeton

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    Jan 30, 2016 2:29 AM GMT
    ant811 saidI'm not too educated about diet/fitness, so sorry if these questions seem dumb. Basically, I do want to shed body fat and put on muscle. However, right now I'm pretty fat lol. I'm only 5'9" and I weigh 235 and let's just say, not much of it is muscle haha.

    Would the whey protein still be good for me to take considering my goals? Or is just going to make me bigger?


    Smart questions.

    Yes, provided that you are in a daily calorie deficit achieved with cardio and supported by a low carb diet. The extra protein (and lifting) will help maintain your muscle while cutting, letting you avoid the skinny fat syndrome.

    Eat fat, lose fat. It's a book title... you can google it. With proper nutrition, an active lifestyle and avoiding the ho-hos, ding dongs and twinkies food group, you, almost everyone, won't have to worry about bad cholesterol. Cholesterol is good... eat it. Personally, I always eat fat with my protein.

    Don't do anything complicated, expensive, faddish, guilt-trippy or onerous.
    Those plans are written by dishonest or lazy people who want to sell products or advertising space for junk you don't need, not make you healthier.

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    Jan 30, 2016 7:53 AM GMT
    Bonifacius said^ load of bull crap, you even realize how stupid you sound - eat fat and you will burn bad fat by eating more fat and less carbsidiot


    It does not matter how it sounds. Muscle trumps talky talk.

    As Robb Wolf author of The Paleo Solution says , "Don't believe anything just try it for 30 days"

    American was not 47% obese before low fat diets. It's the biggest superstition of the 20th century.
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    Jan 30, 2016 8:01 AM GMT
    ^ you seriously are retarded, americans are fat because of fast food, which is, holy crap, A PERFECT PALEO DIET, FULL IN FAT AND PROTEIN ANIMAL PRODUCTS

    before industrialization, people did not consume so much fat and animal protein and it wasn't that abundant and cheap as it is now


    thrown in that pile some processed sugars and you have perfect formula for obesity + where everything is mechanized no need for excessive exercise, NOTHING TO DO WITH PALEO


    Paleo diet is a JOKE for pussies


    let's look at FACTS, animal fats and proteins cause direct corelation betwwen them and heart disease, diabetes and cancer, arterosclerosis and list can go on and on
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    Jan 30, 2016 11:05 AM GMT
    ant811 saidI just started doing some strength training, but my goal isn't to put on weight. I'm looking to lose weight. I want to burn fat while adding lean muscle. Preferably, something I can drink after my workouts that will keep me in fat burning mode.

    Any recommendations?


    I like hemp protein--Manitoba Harvest is the bomb.
  • genotype2013

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    Jan 30, 2016 2:40 PM GMT
    I can't believe all the hate generated by a simple question! If you want to lose weight DO NOT drink any of the commercial protein shakes available. They are way too high in calories. You'd be better off making a shake with egg whites, raw vegetables and soy milk. A milk shake would also add way too much calories. You can sweeten it up a lil with some frozen fruit.
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    Jan 31, 2016 6:58 PM GMT
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