Daughter of Ronald Reagan: Dad's ignorance during AIDS crisis was 'a really tragic flaw'

  • metta

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    Feb 02, 2016 8:02 AM GMT
    Daughter of Ronald Reagan: Dad's ignorance during AIDS crisis was 'a really tragic flaw'

    Patti Davis: 'He didn’t really know the extent of what was going on until Rock Hudson died'


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/daughter-of-ronald-reagan-laments-her-dads-ignorance-during-aids-crisis/
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 02, 2016 5:34 PM GMT
    His encouraging and permitting all the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs to influence public policy in his administration didn't help matters any and it helped lead to the eventual takeover of the national GOP by these religious fanatics.
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    Feb 02, 2016 8:48 PM GMT
    Same could be said the entire political establishment.

    One of the first interviews with PWA (Person With AIDS) was the evangical Christian, Tammy Faye Bakker in 1985, or maybe it was 1982. Here is the video.



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    Feb 02, 2016 9:37 PM GMT
    S2Ki saidSame could be said the entire political establishment.

    One of the first interviews with PWA (Person With AIDS) was the evangical Christian, Tammy Faye Bakker in 1985, or maybe it was 1982. Here is the video.





    WOW!!!! I knew nothing about this interview. That was good. True, Tammy Faye was a bit of a ditz IMO, but what a lot of good she was doing here, probably without knowing it.
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    Feb 02, 2016 10:07 PM GMT
    There was also lots of ignorance within the queer community too.
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    Feb 02, 2016 10:40 PM GMT
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    http://www.actupny.org/reports/reagan.html
    1987
    41,027 persons are dead and
    71,176 persons diagnosed with AIDS in the US.

    After years of negligent silence, President Ronald Reagan finally uses the word "AIDS" in public. He sided with his Education Secretary William Bennett and other conservatives who said the Government should not provide sex education information.
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    excerpts from The Truth About Reagan and AIDS by Michael Bronski, November 2003:

    On April 2, 1987, Reagan said: "How that information is used must be up to schools and parents, not government. But let's be honest with ourselves, AIDS information can not be what some call 'value neutral.' After all, when it comes to preventing AIDS, don't medicine and morality teach the same lessons."

    Although AIDS was first reported in the medical and popular press in 1981, it was only in October of 1987 that President Reagan publicly spoke about the epidemic. By the end of that year 59,572 AIDS cases had been reported and 27,909 of those women and men had died. How could this happen, they ask? Didn't he see that this was an ever-expanding epidemic? How could he not say anything? Do anything?

    But the public scandal over the Reagan administration's reaction to AIDS is complex and goes much deeper, far beyond the commander-in-chief's refusal to speak out about the epidemic. Reagan understood that a great deal of his power resided in a broad base of born-again Christian Republican conservatives who embraced a deeply reactionary social agenda of which a virulent, demonizing homophobia was a central tenet....
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    Feb 02, 2016 10:53 PM GMT
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    S2Ki saidSame could be said the entire political establishment.

    One of the first interviews with PWA (Person With AIDS) was the evangical Christian, Tammy Faye Bakker in 1985, or maybe it was 1982. Here is the video.





    WOW!!!! I knew nothing about this interview. That was good. True, Tammy Faye was a bit of a ditz IMO, but what a lot of good she was doing here, probably without knowing it.


    Yes, I honestly feel the presence of God when I watch this interview!

    A PTL follower likely saved my life in 1982. I was a huge drinker/smoker at the time, often buying a case of beer with friends, and then driving and drinking. Stupid 20 year old, I know.

    But I had a huge crush on this guy who I worked with. We went out one night cruising the beach in his Z28 Camaro...yeah, hot guy in a hot car! So he tells me that he's an evangelical Christian and drinking and smoking is a big no no. Well, I had a GREAT time, and without the booze. We became best of friends....and it was his friendship that helped break the spell of alcohol. Cigarettes too. Or at least he got me away from my former partying friends. Never had sex with him, unfortunately.
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    Feb 02, 2016 11:34 PM GMT
    S2Ki said
    freedomisntfree said
    S2Ki saidSame could be said the entire political establishment.

    One of the first interviews with PWA (Person With AIDS) was the evangical Christian, Tammy Faye Bakker in 1985, or maybe it was 1982. Here is the video.





    WOW!!!! I knew nothing about this interview. That was good. True, Tammy Faye was a bit of a ditz IMO, but what a lot of good she was doing here, probably without knowing it.


    Yes, I honestly feel the presence of God when I watch this interview!

    A PTL follower likely saved my life in 1982. I was a huge drinker/smoker at the time, often buying a case of beer with friends, and then driving and drinking. Stupid 20 year old, I know.

    But I had a huge crush on this guy who I worked with. We went out one night cruising the beach in his Z28 Camaro...yeah, hot guy in a hot car! So he tells me that he's an evangelical Christian and drinking and smoking is a big no no. Well, I had a GREAT time, and without the booze. We became best of friends....and it was his friendship that helped break the spell of alcohol. Cigarettes too. Or at least he got me away from my former partying friends. Never had sex with him, unfortunately.


    I didn't have much of an addictive personality or tendencies. I drank, but too much and I'd be too tired to dance all night. Rock Lobster would come on and I didn't want to be all pooped out.
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    Feb 03, 2016 12:55 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    S2Ki said
    freedomisntfree said
    S2Ki saidSame could be said the entire political establishment.

    One of the first interviews with PWA (Person With AIDS) was the evangical Christian, Tammy Faye Bakker in 1985, or maybe it was 1982. Here is the video.





    WOW!!!! I knew nothing about this interview. That was good. True, Tammy Faye was a bit of a ditz IMO, but what a lot of good she was doing here, probably without knowing it.


    Yes, I honestly feel the presence of God when I watch this interview!

    A PTL follower likely saved my life in 1982. I was a huge drinker/smoker at the time, often buying a case of beer with friends, and then driving and drinking. Stupid 20 year old, I know.

    But I had a huge crush on this guy who I worked with. We went out one night cruising the beach in his Z28 Camaro...yeah, hot guy in a hot car! So he tells me that he's an evangelical Christian and drinking and smoking is a big no no. Well, I had a GREAT time, and without the booze. We became best of friends....and it was his friendship that helped break the spell of alcohol. Cigarettes too. Or at least he got me away from my former partying friends. Never had sex with him, unfortunately.


    I didn't have much of an addictive personality or tendencies. I drank, but too much and I'd be too tired to dance all night. Rock Lobster would come on and I didn't want to be all pooped out.


    I still have the occasional glass of wine or beer, but back then it was more hanging out with the wrong crowd.

    But I'm glad you like the interview that Tammy Faye did. Wherever she is, I'll be happy to end up where she's gone to in the hereafter. Just not for several more years, please. icon_lol.gif
  • rip12

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    Feb 03, 2016 1:35 AM GMT
    to call it ignorance is more than a little disingenuous - everyone was ignorant - it was an unknown virus that nobody knew anything about - NOTHING!!

    I consider myself fortunate to have come out after the virus was known of - im quite certain it helped save my life

    my first serious relationship happened during the worst of the crisis when I dated a young oncologist just out of his fellowship and into private practice - even he was fearful of how little was known

    there is a great book that is an historical account of the crisis - "and the band played on" - and definitely worth the read

    gives a very accurate account of the times and gives a solid understanding of how the virus spread and some of the root causes - it was a very controversial topic at the time and not everything in the book was pleasant to read

    if nothing else the book will give a thinking person some food for thought on how they should consider living their lives and speaks to our culture

    its interesting that it forces me to recognize that history is quite possibly going down the same road to repeat itself some 30+ years later
  • bro4bro

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    Feb 03, 2016 1:42 AM GMT
    It was also a serious hindrance that nobody was willing to admit their son died of AIDS. I had two friends from childhood whose parents listed "cancer" as the cause of death in their obituaries - and a third whose parents simply said "natural causes".

    This unwillingness on the part of the general public to acknowledge the problem - the victims' own families, for Christ's sake, and simply because they were ashamed to let anyone know their sons were gay - seriously delayed government funding of AIDS research.
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    bro4bro saidIt was also a serious hindrance that nobody was willing to admit their son died of AIDS. I had two friends from childhood whose parents listed "cancer" as the cause of death in their obituaries - and a third whose parents simply said "natural causes".

    This unwillingness on the part of the general public to acknowledge the problem - the victims' own families, for Christ's sake, and simply because they were ashamed to let anyone know their sons were gay - seriously delayed government funding of AIDS research.


    I think that's a little unfair to lay blame on families of victims. They hid the disease for a reason, right?, because this country had made them ashamed of the gay and then that same country which oppressed the gays then let down their families by not acting upon AIDS.

    While it may be true that some did not report because of fears of identifying gay, it is not true that was the cause of government inaction because that response was caused by government oppression.
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    Feb 03, 2016 2:59 AM GMT
    Wow. Some of the responses in these forums sound like Jews praising Hitler. What's that all about? Or is it some type of self-loathing?
    Far left? There can't be that many people under a rock. Anything far left would be center nowadays. Geez...
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    Feb 03, 2016 3:51 AM GMT
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    bro4bro saidIt was also a serious hindrance that nobody was willing to admit their son died of AIDS. I had two friends from childhood whose parents listed "cancer" as the cause of death in their obituaries - and a third whose parents simply said "natural causes".

    This unwillingness on the part of the general public to acknowledge the problem - the victims' own families, for Christ's sake, and simply because they were ashamed to let anyone know their sons were gay - seriously delayed government funding of AIDS research.


    I think that's a little unfair to lay blame on families of victims. They hid the disease for a reason, right?, because this country had made them ashamed of the gay and then that same country which oppressed the gays then let down their families by not acting upon AIDS.

    While it may be true that some did not report because of fears of identifying gay, it is not true that was the cause of government inaction because that response was caused by government oppression.


    One guy's father told people it was "brain cancer" - which I took as a cruel joke. And he was the science teacher at our junior high!

    Yes, I do blame him for that.

    And yes, lack of public awareness did contribute to the government's lethargic response.

    "Government oppression"? Sorry, but that phrase sounds a bit too much like "the boogeyman" to me.
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    bro4bro said
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    bro4bro saidIt was also a serious hindrance that nobody was willing to admit their son died of AIDS. I had two friends from childhood whose parents listed "cancer" as the cause of death in their obituaries - and a third whose parents simply said "natural causes".

    This unwillingness on the part of the general public to acknowledge the problem - the victims' own families, for Christ's sake, and simply because they were ashamed to let anyone know their sons were gay - seriously delayed government funding of AIDS research.


    I think that's a little unfair to lay blame on families of victims. They hid the disease for a reason, right?, because this country had made them ashamed of the gay and then that same country which oppressed the gays then let down their families by not acting upon AIDS.

    While it may be true that some did not report because of fears of identifying gay, it is not true that was the cause of government inaction because that response was caused by government oppression.


    One guy's father told people it was "brain cancer" - which I took as a cruel joke. And he was the science teacher at our junior high!

    Yes, I do blame him for that.

    And yes, lack of public awareness did contribute to the government's lethargic response.

    "Government oppression"? Sorry, but that phrase sounds a bit too much like "the boogeyman" to me.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression
    "Institutional Oppression occurs when established laws, customs, and practices systemically reflect and produce inequities based on one’s membership in targeted social identity groups. If oppressive consequences accrue to institutional laws, customs, or Practices, the institution is oppressive whether or not the individuals maintaining those practices have oppressive intentions."
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    Feb 03, 2016 10:45 AM GMT
    S2Ki saidSame could be said the entire political establishment.

    One of the first interviews with PWA (Person With AIDS) was the evangical Christian, Tammy Faye Bakker in 1985, or maybe it was 1982. Here is the video.





    I likewise had never seen this before, but then I was not at all inclined to watch the Bakkers. However, remembering those times (the interview was done in 1985 says the YouTube entry and as confirmed by references in the interview)—HIV and AIDS were mysterious and scary. I first recall hearing of it in about 1978 when Kaposi's Sarcoma was receiving publicity at inordinately affecting the gay community. In 1981 a younger high school classmate of prominence was diagnosed with Kaposi's, the first person I knew personally to have had AIDS. He was 44 years old when he died of AIDS in 1990. The Bakker-Pieter interview was done just before Rock Hudson's death also in 1985, five years before my classmate's. This was a remarkable interview for those times, as there simply was not the information known or even available about transmission vectors, and fear was widespread. While at that time it was already known here that AIDS was Africa's "gift" to the world and that in Africa it was a heterosexual disease, these facts were not give widespread and prominent mention by the media. The media and the religious fundamentalists portrayed it as something uniquely the province of the gay community. A very dark time.
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    Feb 03, 2016 3:02 PM GMT
    Patti is brain damaged due to her admitted use of LSD, Quaaludes and cocaine.
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    bro4bro saidIt was also a serious hindrance that nobody was willing to admit their son died of AIDS. I had two friends from childhood whose parents listed "cancer" as the cause of death in their obituaries - and a third whose parents simply said "natural causes".

    This unwillingness on the part of the general public to acknowledge the problem - the victims' own families, for Christ's sake, and simply because they were ashamed to let anyone know their sons were gay - seriously delayed government funding of AIDS research.

    When my first partner died, his frail elderly mother, who lived 1500 miles away in New Jersey, couldn't attend the memorial service (at his request he was immediately cremated upon his death). But she & I were on good terms, she knew her son was gay and that we were living together.

    I kept her informed over the phone about his illness, his death, and his final arrangements, that were modest per his own request. The costs of which she insisted upon covering herself.

    So a nice lady, whom we both loved. But after his death she pressed me, to know whether her son had died of AIDS. It was important to her that he had not. I assured her he didn't, which was what the doctors initially told me.

    But when I received the death certificate it did say AIDS. I contacted his doctor, who said his PML (an incurable brain infection) was indeed caused by his HIV, that I knew he had, and therefore it was considered AIDS that killed him.

    I never told his mother. Except to say that he had a brain virus, that the doctors couldn't cure. Her son not dying of AIDS was important to her. She seemed to think it would shame his memory, and her reputation. These are the notions that some people harbor.
  • rnch

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    Feb 04, 2016 12:09 AM GMT
    It was during RR's term as POTUS that this former GOP supporter began to drift away.
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    rnch saidIt was during RR's term as POTUS that this former GOP supporter began to drift away.


    I was mad at him over 76 as I think RR sitting on his hands cost GRF the election. By the time of the 84 cycle I was back on the wagon after witnessing the numbers he could put up. All of that in spite of the double digit inflation and interest rates he had to defeat before they could grow the economy.