Hillary Wins Iowa, Sanders Claims It's A "Tie". Cruz Tromps Trump

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    Feb 02, 2016 12:35 PM GMT
    Sen. Ted Cruz bested billionaire Donald Trump to win Iowa's Republican caucuses Monday night as Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton eked out a victory in a historically-close race.

    With just one precinct yet to declare, NBC News has declared Clinton the apparent winner based on a report from the Iowa Democratic Party showing her narrowly ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders.

    "Tonight we saw an historically close Iowa Democratic Caucus," the party said in a statement shortly before 4 a.m. ET.


    Of course Cruz is no gift to US Americans, either, and especially not to LGBT. Whom he thoroughly detests on religious grounds and wants relegated to virtual non-citizen status, if not declared criminal again as was the case in the past. I'm sure no actual LGBT would support Cruz and thereby slit their own throats.

    And Sanders is a self-proclaimed Socialist. Something Hillary gets falsely criticized of being. But I guess Sanders gets a pass for being one by his own proud admission. Unless he makes it to the General Election, then that's all you'll hear about him from the Right.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/nbc-news-projects-ted-cruz-wins-iowa-republican-caucus-n509266
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    Feb 02, 2016 12:43 PM GMT
    And here's why

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ruddy-trump-defeated-himself/2016/02/02/id/712280/

    "Trump used his verbal powers and eviscerated Carson. Carson's poll numbers collapsed, his campaign staff quit and his fundraising machine ground to a halt.

    But it was a Pyrrhic victory for Trump because the Carson voters didn't back him — they switched to Cruz!

    Poll numbers show Cruz's dramatic rise right after the Carson collapse.

    Trump effectively defeated Carson to elect Cruz. Had Carson remained higher in the polls, he would have become Cruz's target, and the pair would have divided the evangelical vote, paving the way for an easy Trump win.

    The lesson of Iowa is this: Reagan's 11th Commandment makes great political sense.

    Reagan's directive famously said, "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

    The idea is that GOP rivals can and should vigorously disagree on policy matters — but personal attacks should be avoided at all costs.

    Reagan himself fought a bitter primary against Gerald Ford in 1976. But Reagan's campaign was a battle for his ideas — never a personal attack on Ford."
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    Feb 02, 2016 12:57 PM GMT
    And I don't think I could actively support Cruz either or possibly not even vote for him if he became the nominee. Just not enough meat on those bones .... only four years in the senate, no real admin experience such as a big state governor.

    The same issue I have with Rubio.

    "Cruz attended elementary and high school in and around Houston, graduated from Princeton University in 1992, and then from Harvard Law School in 1995. Between 1999 and 2003, Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to President George W. Bush on the 2000 George W. Bush presidential campaign. He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008, appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He was the first Hispanic, and the longest-serving solicitor general in Texas history. Cruz was also an adjunct professor of law from 2004 to 2009 at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.

    Cruz ran for the Senate seat vacated by fellow Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison, and in July 2012 defeated Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst during the Republican primary runoff, 57%–43%. Cruz then defeated former state Representative Paul Sadler in the November 2012 general election, winning 56%–41%. He is the first Hispanic American to serve as a U.S. senator representing Texas, and is one of three Senators of Cuban descent. Cruz chairs the United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight, Federal Rights and Agency Activities, and is also the chairman of the United States Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Space, Science and Competitiveness. In November 2012, he was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee."
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    Feb 02, 2016 1:18 PM GMT
    Now Trump really has to get to work on his US non-citizenship claims about Cruz.

    I raised this Cruz citizenship issue myself here years ago. Among my questions, which may have been subsequently answered:

    - When, if ever, did Cruz get the US State Department equivalent of a US birth certificate, for citizens born overseas and receiving only a foreign certificate at that time?

    - Cruz only had a Canadian birth certificate when he ran for US Senator from Texas, claiming on his word that his mother is a US citizen. But there's a procedure under LAW for the parent(s) to formally present that evidence of their own citizenship. Can ANY foreign immigrant simply SAY their parent is a US citizen, without submitting proof for verification through the proper channels? What a flood of undocumented aliens that would create!

    - Does the failure by Cruz to follow required legal procedures all these years, presenting himself as a documented citizen all that time when he wasn't, I believe even when he ran for the US Senate, constitute a crime? Was he elected illegally?

    - Some Constitutional experts correctly state that foreign-born children of US citizens automatically become US citizens themselves. But are they considering the particular irregularities of the Cruz case? And the failure to provide proof of US parental citizenship?

    - If nothing else, this may demonstrate a superior "above the law" attitude that is unacceptable in a US Senator, much less in the President. If Cruz flagrantly broke the law for years it legitimately raises the question of whether he's fit to hold high office.
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    Feb 02, 2016 1:58 PM GMT
    The idea of "winning" the Iowa caucuses is pretty much meaningless since delegates are given out proportionally. Clinton's getting like 21 delegates to Sanders' 20, or something, and Cruz has 8, Trump 7, Rubio 7. It's all just media spin at this point.
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    Feb 02, 2016 2:38 PM GMT
    Iowa is filled with old stupid racist insane white people. It indicates nothing about who will win the nomination.
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    Feb 02, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidNow Trump really has to get to work on his US non-citizenship claims about Cruz.

    I raised this Cruz citizenship issue myself here years ago. Among my questions, which may have been subsequently answered:

    - When, if ever, did Cruz get the US State Department equivalent of a US birth certificate, for citizens born overseas and receiving only a foreign certificate at that time?

    - Cruz only had a Canadian birth certificate when he ran for US Senator from Texas, claiming on his word that his mother is a US citizen. But there's a procedure under LAW for the parent(s) to formally present that evidence of their own citizenship. Can ANY foreign immigrant simply SAY their parent is a US citizen, without submitting proof for verification through the proper channels? What a flood of undocumented aliens that would create!

    - Does the failure by Cruz to follow required legal procedures all these years, presenting himself as a documented citizen all that time when he wasn't, I believe even when he ran for the US Senate, constitute a crime? Was he elected illegally?

    - Some Constitutional experts correctly state that foreign-born children of US citizens automatically become US citizens themselves. But are they considering the particular irregularities of the Cruz case? And the failure to provide proof of US parental citizenship?

    - If nothing else, this may demonstrate a superior "above the law" attitude that is unacceptable in a US Senator, much less in the President. If Cruz flagrantly broke the law for years it legitimately raises the question of whether he's fit to hold high office.


    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/08/ted_cruz_releases_his_mother_s_birth_certificate.html
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    Feb 02, 2016 5:19 PM GMT
    simplenerd saidThe idea of "winning" the Iowa caucuses is pretty much meaningless since delegates are given out proportionally. Clinton's getting like 21 delegates to Sanders' 20, or something, and Cruz has 8, Trump 7, Rubio 7. It's all just media spin at this point.

    Especially when Billary won at least some of those delegates by a coin toss.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/602890/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-precinct-by-coin-toss

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/

    Was anyone else besides me suspicious of how long it took to count the Demos' votes? Shades of "late returns from Cook County" in 1960? http://americanactionnews.com/articles/did-hillary-steal-the-iowa-caucus

    That said, I did not like Cruz's preaching at all. He's always struck me as somewhat angry and almost evil, as contrasted with Rubio's genuine good nature. Unfortunately, on the issue that I believe most important - securing our borders and removing the millions of illegal aliens here - Cruz's thoughts are more in line with mine than Rubio's, though that's about it. Hopefully, Rubio's position will "evolve," as they've been known to across party lines.

    Last night's one great satisfaction: seeing Billary scramble to a tie. Look for her to lose big in NH, and then the fat lady will really start to sing off-tune.
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    Feb 02, 2016 5:24 PM GMT
    On day one, the new president must handle these problems and more....

    1. Exploding national debt ($19,000,000,000,000+).
    2. Shrinking middle class and industrial base.
    3. Virtual open borders.
    4. Too big to fail banks.
    5. Massive trade deficits.
    6. Growing terrorism from ISIS, etc.
    7. Congress and DC lobbyists, policy wonks lining their own pockets.

    We got into this mess because the last 3 Presidents were terrible managers.

    Rather than positions on issues, I'm voting for the candidate with the best experience in managing high level people and accomplishing major goals.


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    Feb 02, 2016 5:26 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidIowa is filled with old stupid racist insane white people. It indicates nothing about who will win the nomination.

    Let's see: ageist, elitist, racist, and dementophobic, and all w/o a comma to boot! How's the weather in Des Moines? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 02, 2016 6:15 PM GMT
    There isn't much to be learned here. These caucuses are the selective opinions of the lunatic fringe. And Trump's supporters are strongest in the trailer park meth lab crowd who aren't likely to drag themselves to a caucus.

    Also not much interesting in the NYT exit polls, since the caucus-goers were fairly homogenous. Possibly the one thing that sticks out is that Trump supporters overwhelmingly made up their minds more than a month ago, whereas Rubio supporters were mostly talked into it (scared away from the other two?) during the caucus.

    Really, I think Trump has all the support he's ever going to get.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/us/politics/iowa-polls-show-preferences-and-priorities.html?emc=edit_th_20160202&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=23077370
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    Feb 02, 2016 6:19 PM GMT
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    simplenerd saidThe idea of "winning" the Iowa caucuses is pretty much meaningless since delegates are given out proportionally. Clinton's getting like 21 delegates to Sanders' 20, or something, and Cruz has 8, Trump 7, Rubio 7. It's all just media spin at this point.

    Especially when Billary won at least some of those delegates by a coin toss.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/602890/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-precinct-by-coin-toss

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/

    Was anyone else besides me suspicious of how long it took to count the Demos' votes? Shades of "late returns from Cook County" in 1960? http://americanactionnews.com/articles/did-hillary-steal-the-iowa-caucus

    That said, I did not like Cruz's preaching at all. He's always struck me as somewhat angry and almost evil, as contrasted with Rubio's genuine good nature. Unfortunately, on the issue that I believe most important - securing our borders and removing the millions of illegal aliens here - Cruz's thoughts are more in line with mine than Rubio's, though that's about it. Hopefully, Rubio's position will "evolve," as they've been known to across party lines.

    Last night's one great satisfaction: seeing Billary scramble to a tie. Look for her to lose big in NH, and then the fat lady will really start to sing off-tune.


    Hillary wins all six of the coin tosses????

    She should get back to trading cattle futures. She'd 'make' a fortune.
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    Feb 02, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
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    MGINSD said
    simplenerd saidThe idea of "winning" the Iowa caucuses is pretty much meaningless since delegates are given out proportionally. Clinton's getting like 21 delegates to Sanders' 20, or something, and Cruz has 8, Trump 7, Rubio 7. It's all just media spin at this point.

    Especially when Billary won at least some of those delegates by a coin toss.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/602890/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-precinct-by-coin-toss

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/

    Was anyone else besides me suspicious of how long it took to count the Demos' votes? Shades of "late returns from Cook County" in 1960? http://americanactionnews.com/articles/did-hillary-steal-the-iowa-caucus

    That said, I did not like Cruz's preaching at all. He's always struck me as somewhat angry and almost evil, as contrasted with Rubio's genuine good nature. Unfortunately, on the issue that I believe most important - securing our borders and removing the millions of illegal aliens here - Cruz's thoughts are more in line with mine than Rubio's, though that's about it. Hopefully, Rubio's position will "evolve," as they've been known to across party lines.

    Last night's one great satisfaction: seeing Billary scramble to a tie. Look for her to lose big in NH, and then the fat lady will really start to sing off-tune.


    Hillary wins all six of the coin tosses????

    She should get back to trading cattle futures. She'd 'make' a fortune.

    What are the odds of winning six out of six coin tosses (or as her little bitch Stephanopoulos called it this morning "at least three")? When her mug shot is plastered all over the place I'm playing those numbers for the lottery.
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    Feb 02, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd said
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    simplenerd saidThe idea of "winning" the Iowa caucuses is pretty much meaningless since delegates are given out proportionally. Clinton's getting like 21 delegates to Sanders' 20, or something, and Cruz has 8, Trump 7, Rubio 7. It's all just media spin at this point.

    Especially when Billary won at least some of those delegates by a coin toss.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/602890/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-precinct-by-coin-toss

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/

    Was anyone else besides me suspicious of how long it took to count the Demos' votes? Shades of "late returns from Cook County" in 1960? http://americanactionnews.com/articles/did-hillary-steal-the-iowa-caucus

    That said, I did not like Cruz's preaching at all. He's always struck me as somewhat angry and almost evil, as contrasted with Rubio's genuine good nature. Unfortunately, on the issue that I believe most important - securing our borders and removing the millions of illegal aliens here - Cruz's thoughts are more in line with mine than Rubio's, though that's about it. Hopefully, Rubio's position will "evolve," as they've been known to across party lines.

    Last night's one great satisfaction: seeing Billary scramble to a tie. Look for her to lose big in NH, and then the fat lady will really start to sing off-tune.


    Hillary wins all six of the coin tosses????

    She should get back to trading cattle futures. She'd 'make' a fortune.

    What are the odds of winning six out of six coin tosses (or as her little bitch Stephanopoulos called it this morning "at least three")? When her mug shot is plastered all over the place I'm playing those numbers for the lottery.


    1 in 64

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/02/hillary-clinton-has-the-most-statistically-improbable-coin-toss-luck-ever/
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    Feb 02, 2016 6:54 PM GMT
    Thanks for doing the math, fif, and for calling it right on GS, DE. His playing up to her on This Week last Sunday was so weak I had to turn it off! Not that I wouldn't have due to Billary after 30 seconds or so of her hauteur.
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    Feb 02, 2016 7:18 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    Especially when Billary won at least some of those delegates by a coin toss.


    On Twitter there were reports that contests were settled in this way in Ames County, one Des Moines precinct, another Des Moines precinct, Newton, West Branch and West Davenport.

    Unusually, all six coin tosses were won by Clinton. According to John Moriarty, Reader in Mathematics at Queen Mary University London, there would have been a one-in-64 or 1.6% chance of Clinton winning all six flips.

    Say what you like, Clinton does appear to have luck on her side.
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    Feb 02, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
    Art wrote, "And Sanders is a self-proclaimed Socialist. Something Hillary gets falsely criticized of being. But I guess Sanders gets a pass for being one by his own proud admission. Unless he makes it to the General Election, then that's all you'll hear about him from the Right."

    If your point is that the term "socialist" will play into the GOP Rule By Fear method, you have a very good point. But for me, what's wrong with being a socialist? We already are, in many ways, and need to be is a few more (health care... ). Perhaps the fear comes not just from GOP fear-mongering, but also from lingering anti-communist sentiments? At any rate, given our two-house system and our other checks and balances, there is no realistic fear of American becoming "socialist" beyond a certain much-needed level.

    Or do I mis-read you?
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    Feb 02, 2016 8:11 PM GMT
    tazzari saidArt wrote, "And Sanders is a self-proclaimed Socialist. Something Hillary gets falsely criticized of being. But I guess Sanders gets a pass for being one by his own proud admission. Unless he makes it to the General Election, then that's all you'll hear about him from the Right."

    If your point is that the term "socialist" will play into the GOP Rule By Fear method, you have a very good point. But for me, what's wrong with being a socialist? We already are, in many ways, and need to be is a few more (health care... ). Perhaps the fear comes not just from GOP fear-mongering, but also from lingering anti-communist sentiments? At any rate, given our two-house system and our other checks and balances, there is no realistic fear of American becoming "socialist" beyond a certain much-needed level.

    Or do I mis-read you?

    Not at all. I believe my prediction about the Right using "socialist" as a smear and semantic fear tactic is well established. They've been using "liberal" as a dirty word for years, as well. Yet I remember when liberal was simply a descriptive political term, as was conservative, with no evil overtones.

    At the same time, socialist has been loosely identified with communist for a long time by US Americans. A nation where Communism has been vilified for decades. The Right will be quick to make those terms synonymous, and a political liability for any Democratic candidate who can be labeled as a Socialist. That is what I meant.
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    Feb 02, 2016 8:35 PM GMT
    Well, Hillary won the Iowa Caucuses by a tiny margin, something like a half percentage point. But Bernie did far better than almost anyone could have imagined 6 months ago, and has established himself as a serious candidate.

    I'm a Sanders supporter, but it's still too early to get one's hopes up, and I have no illusions. Sanders put a great deal of time and effort into Iowa, and he'll be close to his home territory in New Hampshire. But the Dixie states, and the Southwest, have yet to be heard from. I imagine Hillary is well-entrenched in the Democratic establishment, there. Still, you never know how things will turn out. A lot of people are fed up with both the Democratic & Republican establishments, and we can only wait and see how things turn out.

    But Bernie has run an amazing campaign up till now. I think that things can turn out either way, which is something no one could have predicted last March or April, when the campaigning began.
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    carew28 saidWell, Hillary won the Iowa Caucuses by a tiny margin, something like a half percentage point. But Bernie did far better than almost anyone could have imagined 6 months ago, and has established himself as a serious candidate.

    I'm a Sanders supporter, but it's still too early to get one's hopes up, and I have no illusions. Sanders put a great deal of time and effort into Iowa, and he'll be close to his home territory in New Hampshire. But the Dixie states, and the Southwest, have yet to be heard from. I imagine Hillary is well-entrenched in the Democratic establishment, there. Still, you never know how things will turn out. A lot of people are fed up with both the Democratic & Republican establishments, and we can only wait and see how things turn out.

    But Bernie has run an amazing campaign up till now. I think that things can turn out either way, which is something no one could have predicted last March or April, when the campaigning began.


    "Caucuses by a tiny margin"

    3/10ths by coin tosses. Sanders isn't that far off when he claims a tie.
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    Feb 02, 2016 8:58 PM GMT
    I use left, lefty, leftist, Left Wing as a pejorative. I am a liberal in the classic sense.
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    Feb 02, 2016 9:01 PM GMT
    the face of a looser:
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    at least the USA will avoid starting WW3
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    Feb 02, 2016 9:03 PM GMT
    Well I'll bet Sanders supporters, and Bernie himself, would be boisterously waving the victory flag if he had won by the same handful of votes that Hillary did. And mocking Hillary if she claimed her loss was a "tie". Let's not be hypocrites here.
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    Feb 02, 2016 9:09 PM GMT
    Both Dems get to claim "victory"-ish!

    O'Malley gets off the stage early!

    Huckabee gets to start his book tour early!

    Santorum finished 1st (before his party hack-jobbed him) in 2012; runs again in 2016, finishes DEAD last!

    GOP "establishment" gets at least one guy through!

    Trump "loses" at something! And still gets to boast, since he came in second after questioning voters' stupidity!

    "Red meat" in Iowa wins again!

    There's really something in this for everybody! Good job, Iowa! On to the next one!
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    Feb 02, 2016 9:20 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWell I'll bet Sanders supporters, and Bernie himself, would be boisterously waving the victory flag if he had won by the same handful of votes that Hillary did. And mocking Hillary if she claimed her loss was a "tie". Let's not be hypocrites here.


    Win or lose, much greater enthusiasm for Bernie. And the difference in supporters, since Hillary will work for foreign billionaires and DC establishment types, and not the pikers who vote for her.