Please give this youg guy real world career advice.

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    Feb 02, 2016 11:55 PM GMT
    Hello everyone! I need some advice, and some personal career experiences from all of you. If you're under 22, no offense but i'm really not directing these questions to you. I need advice from people who are in the middle of their careers, not people who are just graduating from college or are just barely starting their career path.

    I am graduating with my business degrees in August, and I am very worried about the next step in my life. Number one, because I have my rent and tuition paid for while i'm in school so obviously after graduation I am completely cut off from all of that. These are my questions.

    1. Once you graduated from college how long did it take for you to find your first job in your field.

    2. How long did it take for you to move up in your career to be in a well paid position. (I want salary as soon as possible)

    3. How many times did you interview with companies before you got accepted?

    4. Do you think Business management is a lucrative degree to have?

    Here is some background information. I have a decent GPA (3.34), and a ton of work experience even though the majority of my bills have been paid for me while I was going to school. I started off as an administrative assistant for one of the departments at Texas State University, then I became an assistant manager at a pizza restaurant, and after that I became a leasing consultant for one of the apartment complexes in town. I have maintained above a 3.0 GPA the entire time I have been in school while working at least 30 hours a week minimum. I can at the very least prove to my future employer that I have good time management skills. I am extremely worried about the next step in my life because I need to find a good job fast or else I will be forced to live with my mom while I look for a job in my field in Austin Texas. As much as my mom would love that, I would fucking kill myself if that had to happen. I hate living at home even though I would not have to pay rent. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

    P.S. I wish I could post my resume on this site for you all to give me advice on, but it is not attaching well to this forum.
  • charlitos666

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    Feb 03, 2016 12:01 AM GMT
    Start with an internship. GPA means absolutely nothing the moment you leave school.

    You need an actual job to begin to build your resume. Also be more confident on your capabilities. Get a job in what you want to be good at even if it pays shit, stay there long enough, do really well, bust your ass getting better at the tasks you are asked to do and the ones you would like to do. After 1 year ask for a proper salary, if that doesn't happen, update your resume with your recently acquired experience and apply for a better job.

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    Feb 03, 2016 12:33 AM GMT
    An undergraduate degree in business management isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Apply to graduate school. If you're hellbent on going to work, take the first job offered to you, gain some experience, and jump ship as soon as something better comes along. ALWAYS keep looking for the next jump off point to a better position. NEVER consider yourself not in the job market. You owe loyalty to no one but yourself. Remember corporate America has no loyalty to you, just their shareholders. You will be dumped unceremoniously the day you aren't needed.

    Those are the cold hard facts.
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    Feb 03, 2016 1:50 AM GMT

    I would recommend the OP start applying for jobs in March and make sure it's clearly stated on the resume that he will have a degree earned on a specific date. Also, op u should make sure you cater your resume to match the description of the job you're applying to. Make the resume accentuate the experience you have that will help you execute the duties of the position you're applying to. Like make urself look like you're perfect for the job. Since you have some experience in a university setting, perhaps consider applying to the school in which you are graduating? Work that job for a year or two and then slap it on the resume and start applying for other, higher paying jobs.... and repeat.

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    Feb 03, 2016 2:20 AM GMT
    I couldn't do it.

    Sit in a cubicle and look at numbers and charts all day. To climb the pinnacle of finance/investment banking.

    Theicon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gificon_idea.gif shifted my thinking....

    Printed business cards, developed the gift of! An Entrepreneur was born.

    4. Do you think Business management/finance/marketing or Advertising is a lucrative degree to have?

    YES! Even if you choose not to use it, you'll have it as a back up. Education is vital. The numbers don't lie.

    Depending on your location, it's not always what you know, but who you know OR get to know! #NETWORK and be careful what you post on facebook or the real world social networks.
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    Feb 03, 2016 2:24 AM GMT

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    Feb 03, 2016 2:38 AM GMT
    1. Do you want a career you enjoy, or do you just want money? How much of one would you sacrifice for the other?

    2. How much do you want to make in the end? Some jobs start low, but with greater potential than, say a trade which start high but with little room for growth. Having a sense of the end goal will help you optimize your efforts. I was satisfied with an exciting and rewarding job that peaked at only ~$90K without any effort "advancing" the corporate ladder.

    3. A good relationship with a mentor would be valuable in getting the inside track to various opportunities. Not a sexual daddy-role mentor by the way - clarification not needed, but this is Realjock afterall icon_wink.gif

    4. Be friends with your employer and coworkers, and when it's layoff season, given the same performance, they'll keep you and dump the anti-social guy who's got ten thousand bitter posts on Realjock. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 03, 2016 2:50 AM GMT
    Well I didn't study business back in school, I couldn't really tell you. I have friends who are business majors, a couple of them work in Finances in NYC now, they make pretty good money but miserable, working like 66+ hrs week, having no social life. You should network and contact people or companies you want to work with. Maybe you will have better luck than me meeting good people to mentor you in the field you want. But other than that, nowadays in this economy, you will be competing with many people who have degrees and experiences too. Just take a low paying job in your field, prove yourself and work your way up since you're in your early 20s.
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    Feb 03, 2016 3:09 AM GMT
    1. Less than two months

    2. Around five years

    3. One

    4. Anything can be lucrative.
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    Feb 03, 2016 4:23 AM GMT
    I have a business degree with a concentration in finance. My situation was very different from my friends that graduated and needed to find a job immediately.

    I had other obligations. There's a lot that school didn't teach as to how the real world works.

    I agree that a degree is a good fallback. No outside work experience other than what keeps my business running after my dad's passing.

    I would suggest looking into professional resume writing and apparently first impressions means everything to employers. Practice your conversational skills, and also avoid making spelling errors on your resume.

    Words that you should properly try to incorporate into your resume:





    best of luck
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    Feb 03, 2016 4:28 AM GMT
    1. Got it before I graduated. Connections ;)

    2. I'm "well paid" for my field, but still just starting out

    3. Never did an interview. Connections ;)

    4. Any field can be lucrative given your interest in it
  • whytehot

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    Feb 03, 2016 5:49 AM GMT
    crazycrazydoesdoes said4. Be friends with your employer and coworkers, and when it's layoff season, given the same performance, they'll keep you and dump the anti-social guy who's got ten thousand bitter posts on Realjock. icon_lol.gif

    lol the shade
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    Feb 03, 2016 5:56 AM GMT
    Painted said...avoid making spelling errors on your resume.

    Not only avoid but DO NOT make speling erors on you resuma, youg man! icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 03, 2016 5:57 AM GMT
    Aqueerius said1. Got it before I graduated. Connections ;)

    2. I'm "well paid" for my field, but still just starting out

    3. Never did an interview. Connections ;)

    4. Any field can be lucrative given your interest in it
    I'm currently in the process of a career change (without additional schooling). HMU in a PM with more details. I have connex but currently deciding how to incorporate them into my latest passion/career.
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    Feb 03, 2016 6:14 AM GMT
    1. Negative six months.
    2. Depends on what you mean by "well paid." Employers will always pay the very minimum that they think you'll settle for.
    3. Every time.
    4. No.
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    Feb 03, 2016 6:28 AM GMT

    Business management? Degree not really worth much unless you pick a specialty with it which you should have been doing already while still in school.

    The baby boom generation and its corporate partners designed the '30 year retirement plan', where as you work for one place for 30 years while you maintain your seniority level hopefully climbing the ladder of success (or not), hold a 30 year home mortgage until paid off, earn a 30 year pension, retire @62 with your work pension, savings and monthly social security checks

    Your generation? Job hopping is your thing. You may work for several companies throughout your working career and that's ok because 1) corporate America has sold out the American worker by not offering pensions. 2) The 'old system' of the 30 year mortgage is not possible any longer because of the lack of steady work or income, you better off renting than buying, while saving and investing 3) There is no 'climbing the ladder of success' anymore because your generation doesn't stay at the same employer because the employer doesn't care if you stay either 4) Your generation must know how to invest and save for your future because you will have no pension to help you later 5) While most baby boomers could retire at 62 year old, your generation will have to work until your 70 years old in order to get the same amount todays boomers get 6) The boomer generation are not retiring fast enough at 62 creating a hiring back up for Gen X, Gen Y, Mill generations 7) Your generation has too much "bad" debt in the form of student loans and credit cards, the baby boom "good" debt has to do with property and loans

    Don't be afraid to go back and live with parents, if they will have you. There are MANY "boomer rang" adults, such as myself who at least once had to move back with parents, as humiliating as it is. As far as your career, do your research in business management and PICK A SPECIALTY that you really like, that you will enjoy doing for many years. Its possible when you get older, you may change careers completely finding you don't like the business world which can be corrupt and backstabbing when you get to "know what's really going on"

    I would say the STEM field is a better choice if you are a straight guy because STEM is still too homophobic for openly gay people, especially men

  • SilverRRCloud

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    Feb 03, 2016 6:50 AM GMT
    Your main goal seems to be NOT going back to live with your Mom. So, any reasonably well-paying job will do for the starters. This is really about the time now, not so much about the strategic planning of your career. Once you fall back to your Mom's getting back on track may be pretty challenging

    Honestly, business admin. ain't the front runner these days. It actually ain't much of a runner at all. (If it were, you would not be seeking advice hereicon_biggrin.gif.)

    The best you can do, is to do all the obvious stuff: resume, cover letter, lots of web searches, etc. AND, more importantly, you want to network. You need a winning edge here. There has to be someone who knows someone, who will be happy to grant you an interview, and give you a chance.

    I have been forming project teams for more than a dozen of years now. I pay a bit above the market because I want to attract the top talent, and make sure they stay with me, tooicon_smile.gif rather than go over to the competition.

    I do receive tons of applications whenever the recruiting drive starts. My usual ratio is around 100-120 applicants per 1 position.

    Whose applications get read first? The ones that come from the guys I know, am connected with, etc. Nope. No one gets any job 'automatically' just because someone I know has put in a good word. But these guys get our/my attention first. Their chances are simply better...


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    Feb 03, 2016 8:44 AM GMT
    Not to burst anyone's bubble but a B Comm (Bachelors of Commerce) is probably the most applicable degree to have in the free market world. Everything revolves around commerce.. So to call it a useless degree is baffling.

  • oldfart

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    Feb 03, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
    Finding a line of work that optimizes your energy is both important and challenging. I urge you take the Kuder and Strong Occupational interest Surveys. I'm sure your student counselling offers them, hopefully for free. They gave me powerful insights.

    Getting off to the right start will make your future progress much faster and better, so don't just settle for whatever comes along first. Balancing the immediate need for money with longer term success is tough, but be patient with yourself.

    Other guys are in the same position. Look for roommates to ease your cost of living at first. Choose good ones and make friends too.

    You already have worked; that's a big plus. Not everyone can handle that. Be proud of it and make sure it's noted in any interview.

    Best of luck to you. Hang in there.
  • Muscmasmat

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    Feb 03, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    I'm not going to answer your questions as such since my experiences are way out of date in today's world. But here are some suggestions.

    You should be in full swing NOW for your job search. Just as you have a current job and school, you should devote a certain planned amount of time per week for this "job" of finding a job. Setting aside a certain time and hours per week for this effort is essential.

    I assume your University has a job placement center that assists with teaching resume writing skills, interviewing skills and also some form of arranging interviews for companies that come to look for candidates with your skills. Make sure that you utilize this free service, if it is available.

    Do you have a particular industry that you are targeting for your job search? If not, narrowing it down will at least give you a list of companies that you can investigate and target. Even if you want to make sure that your position is a lucrative one, different industries pay different amounts. I would have suggested an oil company in nearby Houston, but I think that is probably not a good suggestion at the present time. But you get the idea. It is certainly easier to go after a specific job in a specific industry than just sending your resume out willy nilly. You don't need to limit yourself to a single job or industry though.

    Business management should get you a decent job. Just getting an MBA now days is no guarantee of success. I would suggest you get a job; and if you find you want to get an advanced degree, then go back to school. Many time employers will help you pay for this.

    You have good work experience that many employers like to see, since you have worked while attending college and have a decent GPA. Make sure in your resume to highlight that as a characteristic of your work ethic in some way (don't just list your employment).

    Network, network, network. Practice, in a nice way, bringing up your job search to everyone you meet, telling them the type of job your are seeking. And you have just done this by posting on RJ. Keep it up.

    Good luck. I found finding a new job about the least enjoyable thing I had to do. But it is one of those things that has to be done. Treat it like another job with goals and plans and you will get it done.

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    Feb 03, 2016 2:59 PM GMT
    charlitos666 saidAlso

    It's very true that "first impressions" are vital, that we make visually.

    But we also make them audibly, with our voice. My Mother told me: "Robert, people will judge you the moment you speak. SOUND knowledgeable and confident, and you will be PERCEIVED as being knowledgeable and confident. You can say any nonsense you like, but if you sound knowledgeable people will believe you."

    Well, she wasn't training me to be a con artist, just letting me know how the world works. Which also guarded me against real con men who would try to scam me.

    Yet when she said "nonsense" that was hyperbole, because if you talk technical s*** with a knowledgeable audience you'll get taken down. One of things I like about RJ is the really smart guys here (by & large), who know more stuff about more things than I ever will. Talk crap and they'll call you on it.

    And so taking Mom's advice I worked on my voice. Even got a degree in Speech & Phonetics (among others). My voice has gotten me a lot farther than I think I could have gotten otherwise. Thanks, Mom! icon_biggrin.gif

    I also learned the importance of posture as this video outlines (and quite frankly, also posturing) as an Army Officer. Your personal success can really be a great deal about how people perceive you.

    I've got my "in-charge" voice, my "knowledgeable" voice, my "serious" voice, my "timid" voice, and my relaxed "sloppy" voice speaking casually with friends. Not to mention my various acting & radio voices, with all the accents I do.

    I've learned to make my voice one of my most effective tools. Your assets aren't all printed on a résumé - you project some of them in person. Another area our OP might consider as he enters the job market.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 03, 2016 3:54 PM GMT
    Well to begin with, I think the end of your discussion might be the most important to start the conversation.
    Living with your parents isn't that bad, trust me. When I finished law school, I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do, still provided horseback riding instruction and put out a lot of applications. I wanted to be a contract negotiator and did get 2 bites, one being in Seattle, the other in Huntsville AL. After some soul searching, (and some great input from family and a parent of one of my students), I decided to study some some months and become a financial advisor (1 of my undergraduate degrees is in finance). My legal education has worked well for me too, worked, got established, saved my money for some years, built an awesome home (which I still live in). That extra time at home really helped... but while there, I provided needed support for my father with our home and property.

    In your case, I would at least leave that as an option, develop a plan (where you would move, what kind of job you would consider). Make sure and take advantage of resources you have, such as references (which is very important). Keep your expenses low and save some money in case you need to move. My point is, trying to make this kind of change causes a lot of tension, don't compound it by putting too much pressure on yourself. I'd also put together a network of a half dozen professionals you can rely on to give you advice if you encounter challenges (and we usually do). Good luck, I'm sure you can handle it all very well.
  • joxguy

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    Feb 03, 2016 3:56 PM GMT
    I wasn't a business major. Majored in math and decided to go into education. Had to go the grad school to do that. Had a job the month I finished getting my credential.

    Taught 8 years, then moved into Administration. Went to the top in that field. Retired with a life time retirement.

    My friend in business. Got an internship their senior year that helped.

    You university does have a placement center, go there and fill out the paperwork. Attend all the recruitment events. Be willing to move-being open to move puts you in a different group of applicants.

    Don't get caught in your generations mind set of thinking you don't have to pay your dues. Accept that idea, which makes you work harder, connect to those who have the power, and get your MBA as soon as possible.
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    Feb 03, 2016 4:50 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWell to begin with, I think the end of your discussion might be the most important to start the conversation.
    Living with your parents isn't that bad, trust me.


    If you want a career, you need to be able to make choices. Needing lots of money from the get-go takes choices away from you. Having a mother to lean on may cramp your dating life, but putting that on hold for a while during your job search may be a good idea, anyway.

    I'll offer the perspective from the other side. As a hiring manager, I got about 800-1500 resumes for each position I advertised. About 3/4 of them were entirely unsuitable - people that simply send out a resume whenever there is a job posting. It really helps if you tailor your resume to show that you actually read the posting.

    Since I got so many resumes, really good ones would fall through the cracks all the time. Don't take it personally if you don't hear from the firms where you applied, and realize it's all a numbers game. Apply to all the jobs you find yourself attracted to, way too many of them, and track each application in a spreadsheet or somewhere, so you always have the relevant information at hand in case you get a call out of the blue.

    Make sure you don't limit yourself geographically. Apply for jobs in different metro areas you would be OK living in (just OK, not excited) and see if you get more pull there. You could mention in your application that you are willing to relocate at your own expense, but that might come back to haunt you if the company offers relocation expenses.

    Get familiar with LinkedIn and GlassDoor NOW. Create accounts and begin assembling your network. Don't worry too much about initial salary/wages, worry more about making a good impression on your first employer. I never gave much about the college attended or degree attained, but I would religiously call job references.

    In that sense, living with mom and knowing that your basics are taken care of is really helpful. Unless she's abusive, or if she lives in a place with no relevant jobs.
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    Feb 03, 2016 9:00 PM GMT
    Thank you so much for all of your replies. (especially because i'm freaking out about the next step in my life) here is some other information.

    1. I have hesitated to try to get a summer internship because my parents do not pay for my rent while i'm in college. I am in a special program where I get my rent paid for while i'm in college only if I am enrolled full time every semester. (Fall, Spring, summer session 1 and summer session 2) I am not allowed to not take classes during the summer while i'm in this program. Should I apply for internships while I graduate.

    2. Ever since I got my job as a leasing consultant I realized one thing, I hate sales!!! I do not like cold calling, or keeping up with leads. I do not want to be in a sales position for the rest of my life. Was it stupid for me to get a degree in business then?

    3. I do have a concentration. My degree is specifically Business management with a concentration in entrepreneurship however i'm thinking I should've chosen human resources.

    4. and also I would like to go to grad school one day but I am not on deans list (above 3.5 GPA) and have no work experience in my field. (unless you count being an underpaid assistant manager at Domino's) What are the chances that I could get in?