It’s OK to pee in public! San Francisco gets its first open-air urinal in Delores Park

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    Feb 07, 2016 12:26 AM GMT
    Apparently, there is already a lawsuit filed to have it removed, it has a drain icon_confused.gif


    Has anyone used this yet? The south of Market park, off Delores St, is only 4 blocks from the famous Castro Theater,
    you pee while the train goes by! icon_lol.gif


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423062/It-s-OK-pee-public-San-Francisco-gets-open-air-urinal-city-park-stop-people-relieving-bushes.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 07, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
    I guess San Francisco has become the major city to avoid not only for being the most outrageously expensive but also for the most morally depraved. Why don't they just decriminalize taking a piss on the double yellow lines down the center of both Market Street and Van Ness Avenue while those leftist lunatics in city hall are at it. icon_evil.gif
  • buddycat

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    Feb 07, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
    What about the other thread about people pulling their pants all the way down. Do train passengers see a full moon when going by?
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    Feb 07, 2016 12:38 AM GMT

    It may get a lot of use this Superbowl weekend icon_lol.gif


    Lawsuit filed to get rid of open-air urinal in San Francisco's Dolores Park (video)
    http://abc7news.com/news/lawsuit-filed-to-get-rid-of-open-air-urinal-in-sf-park/1189454/

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    buddycat saidWhat about the other thread about people pulling their pants all the way down. Do train passengers see a full moon when going by?




    Good question! I don't know icon_lol.gif

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    roadbikeRob saidI guess San Francisco has become the major city to avoid not only for being the most outrageously expensive but also for the most morally depraved. Why don't they just decriminalize taking a piss on the double yellow lines down the center of both Market Street and Van Ness Avenue while those leftist lunatics in city hall are at it. icon_evil.gif




    It makes sense, you need to pee badly while on the train and if you know where the pee stop is along the route, you can get off the train, pee and get back on the train icon_razz.gif

  • Apparition

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    Feb 07, 2016 4:54 AM GMT
    what a horrible design
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    Feb 07, 2016 6:22 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI guess San Francisco has become the major city to avoid not only for being the most outrageously expensive but also for the most morally depraved. Why don't they just decriminalize taking a piss on the double yellow lines down the center of both Market Street and Van Ness Avenue while those leftist lunatics in city hall are at it. icon_evil.gif


    Surely you are being sarcastic? The truth of the matter is, many men, and some women, will go wherever they please when nature calls. Why do you think so many bus shelters, subway and train stations, building entryways, and other public places reek of urine? Why does every bar street in the world smell of piss on a Sunday morning after all of the bars let out and all the drunk fools can't hold it until they get home? icon_idea.gif

    What's a good way to keep this from happening? Well, making places where people on the go can relieve themselves quickly that have plumbing and can be cleaned very easily with a spray of water seems like a good one to me.

    Several other cities have had great success with this idea:

    Amsterdam, both permanent:
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    And temporary:
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    Paris, also both permanent and temporary:
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    (Ladies can use these ones, too)

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    Personally, I don't see any problem with facilities like this. They help people in need (including people who are homeless and may not have anywhere else to relieve themselves with a little bit of dignity) and they do a public service by keeping shared spaces cleaner.
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    Feb 07, 2016 4:41 PM GMT
    Bunjamon said
    Several other cities have had great success with this idea:

    2.1277554075.public-urinal---splash-your

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    I wondered if anyone would mention Europe. This was common when I lived there. In fact, German men were largely free to pee where they wanted, so long as their dicks were (mostly) out of view. I'd see guys walking down the sidewalks simply stop, face into a bush, and "water" it, right in front of other pedestrians and passing traffic.

    It really is a matter of culture, and Europeans frequently feel constrained when they visit the US, with laws they feel are too restrictive of personal liberties, and too Puritanical. To many in the world this "Land of the Free" is the land of thousands of petty laws & limitations.
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    Feb 07, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
    buddycat saidWhat about the other thread about people pulling their pants all the way down. Do train passengers see a full moon when going by?


    Only once a month
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    Feb 07, 2016 4:50 PM GMT
    Well, I get that they expect those vines to grow and block out the view over time but I would have expected it to be designed with more privacy for $15,000.
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    Art_Deco said
    Bunjamon said
    Several other cities have had great success with this idea:
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    I wondered if anyone would mention Europe. This was common when I lived there. In fact, German men were largely free to pee where they wanted, so long as their dicks were (mostly) out of view. I'd see guys walking down the sidewalks simply stop, face into a bush, and "water" it, right in front of other pedestrians and passing traffic.

    It really is a matter of culture, and Europeans frequently feel constrained when they visit the US, with laws they feel are too restrictive of personal liberties, and too Puritanical. To many in the world this "Land of the Free" is the land of thousands of petty laws & limitations.

    Still, millions risk everything they have and break up their families - and break our laws - to come and remain here. We must be doing something right. Me, I like the crescent design, but how long will it be until someone demands it be brought full circle so as not to deride Islam? SF didn't have to build this thing, since many crimes, including car thefts and break-ins, go unpoliced. This is just more in-your-face agitprop by SF's notoriously confrontational Bd. of Supervisors. How's that for a lack of constraint?
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:07 PM GMT
    I don't care how desperate I am for a pee, I will never use one of those things, they have them in London and other cities, I also don't want to see people going for a pee in public out in the open air, it's disgusting, maybe they should make them more private then I might use them, most of the public loo's have been closed due to illegal activities which has spoiled it for people who don't want to be viewed in public while relieving themselves. The amount of times I have not been allowed to use the facilities in a cafe, restaurant or pub isn't good when there is no where else to go, I always ask out of politeness but they often say no, what if I had a personal problem that needed attention.
    Apparently in India, they have to squat in a room to do both, also with other people in full view doing the same thing because they don't have toilets or dividers so everyone in there can see your junk and your ass, never going to India, ever.
    Anyhow as regards the photo, very bad design, no privacy and probably end up peeing on your shoes.
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:18 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Bunjamon said
    Several other cities have had great success with this idea:

    2.1277554075.public-urinal---splash-your

    Urinals-Amsterdam.png

    I wondered if anyone would mention Europe. This was common when I lived there. In fact, German men were largely free to pee where they wanted, so long as their dicks were (mostly) out of view. I'd see guys walking down the sidewalks simply stop, face into a bush, and "water" it, right in front of other pedestrians and passing traffic.

    It really is a matter of culture, and Europeans frequently feel constrained when they visit the US, with laws they feel are too restrictive of personal liberties, and too Puritanical. To many in the world this "Land of the Free" is the land of thousands of petty laws & limitations.


    Land of the free, ha, thats a joke, I have never been anywhere in the world that has so many laws, you can't pee in public in DC or other cities without being put on the sex offenders register, that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard and being unfair is the biggest understatement I have ever said, there is nothing sexual about going for a pee in a bush if you are that desperate, sometimes there just isn't anywhere to go so a bush is your only option.
    America to me is like living in a prison and its getting worse, I had my tent confiscated by the rangers because it was federal land, in the UK, a beach is public and can be used by everyone, if you want to camp its fine, you may get a fine for lighting a fire in an area of natural beauty but I was treated like a criminal by the rangers and had a $140 fine, had also to travel miles by boat which cost $40 to go and retrieve my tent because they wouldn't bring it back for me, arseholes, I told them I would never visit the country again after being treated like that.
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    interestingchap saidI don't care how desperate I am for a pee, I will never use one of those things, they have them in London and other cities, I also don't want to see people going for a pee in public out in the open air, it's disgusting, maybe they should make them more private then I might use them, most of the public loo's have been closed due to illegal activities which has spoiled it for people who don't want to be viewed in public while relieving themselves. The amount of times I have not been allowed to use the facilities in a cafe, restaurant or pub isn't good when there is no where else to go, I always ask out of politeness but they often say no, what if I had a personal problem that needed attention.
    Apparently in India, they have to squat in a room to do both, also with other people in full view doing the same thing because they don't have toilets or dividers so everyone in there can see your junk and your ass, never going to India, ever.
    Anyhow as regards the photo, very bad design, no privacy and probably end up peeing on your shoes.


    If I were desperate for a pee, I would certainly use one. When I'm out and about in London I usually just confidently walk into a 5* hotel and use their lobby bathroom. After a while, you get to know which are the best ones. I should write a guide: softest hand towels, best hand cream, shiniest marble etc.
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    metta saidWell, I get that they expect those vines to grow and block out the view over time but I would have expected it to be designed with more privacy for $15,000.

    The Europeans, having been using these outdoor, semi-open pissing stations since the 1800s, know how to design them better. That SF thing is rather crude, and will never last against vandals, and frequent drain clogging. It's not even obvious to a stranger what it is, unless maybe it's labeled on the other side. Hope they bought a large supply of replacement white tarps.
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:28 PM GMT
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    interestingchap saidI don't care how desperate I am for a pee, I will never use one of those things, they have them in London and other cities, I also don't want to see people going for a pee in public out in the open air, it's disgusting, maybe they should make them more private then I might use them, most of the public loo's have been closed due to illegal activities which has spoiled it for people who don't want to be viewed in public while relieving themselves. The amount of times I have not been allowed to use the facilities in a cafe, restaurant or pub isn't good when there is no where else to go, I always ask out of politeness but they often say no, what if I had a personal problem that needed attention.
    Apparently in India, they have to squat in a room to do both, also with other people in full view doing the same thing because they don't have toilets or dividers so everyone in there can see your junk and your ass, never going to India, ever.
    Anyhow as regards the photo, very bad design, no privacy and probably end up peeing on your shoes.


    If I were desperate for a pee, I would certainly use one. When I'm out and about in London I usually just confidently walk into a 5* hotel and use their lobby bathroom. After a while, you get to know which are the best ones. I should write a guide: softest hand towels, best hand cream, shiniest marble etc.


    "best hand cream"

    Hmmmm. You got sumthin else planned while you're in there?
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:33 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    interestingchap saidI don't care how desperate I am for a pee, I will never use one of those things, they have them in London and other cities, I also don't want to see people going for a pee in public out in the open air, it's disgusting, maybe they should make them more private then I might use them, most of the public loo's have been closed due to illegal activities which has spoiled it for people who don't want to be viewed in public while relieving themselves. The amount of times I have not been allowed to use the facilities in a cafe, restaurant or pub isn't good when there is no where else to go, I always ask out of politeness but they often say no, what if I had a personal problem that needed attention.
    Apparently in India, they have to squat in a room to do both, also with other people in full view doing the same thing because they don't have toilets or dividers so everyone in there can see your junk and your ass, never going to India, ever.
    Anyhow as regards the photo, very bad design, no privacy and probably end up peeing on your shoes.


    If I were desperate for a pee, I would certainly use one. When I'm out and about in London I usually just confidently walk into a 5* hotel and use their lobby bathroom. After a while, you get to know which are the best ones. I should write a guide: softest hand towels, best hand cream, shiniest marble etc.


    can you print that list on here LOL?
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:38 PM GMT
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    "best hand cream"

    Hmmmm. You got sumthin else planned while you're in there?


    lol

    God no.
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:49 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI guess San Francisco has become the major city to avoid not only for being the most outrageously expensive but also for the most morally depraved. Why don't they just decriminalize taking a piss on the double yellow lines down the center of both Market Street and Van Ness Avenue while those leftist lunatics in city hall are at it. icon_evil.gif



    You call people who need to take a piss "morally depraved?" It's a natural function of ALL animals (and yes, we are animals) so why would you be so outraged to see someone doing something so completely natural? icon_confused.gif
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    If I were desperate for a pee, I would certainly use one. When I'm out and about in London I usually just confidently walk into a 5* hotel and use their lobby bathroom. After a while, you get to know which are the best ones. I should write a guide: softest hand towels, best hand cream, shiniest marble etc.

    LOL, reminds me of how ostentatious & pretentious some of them are here in the US, too. One was in a restaurant that's closed now, I think still is, rather than in a hotel. The "Tavern on the Green" in New York City's Central Park.

    The attendant didn't merely hand you a cloth towel for your hands at the sink, he'd dry your hands himself if you'd let him, with or without hand lotion. I'd never permit that, but some of my friends would, I thought that was inexcusably decadent.

    Of course that men's room also had a shoe shine attendant with a couple of elevated chairs, as many of the older restrooms once did. Unless there was a more complete shoe shine station outside, as city hotel lobbies commonly once provided, sometimes in conjunction with a barber shop.
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    LOL, reminds me of how ostentatious & pretentious some of them are here in the US, too. One was in a restaurant that's closed now, I think still is, rather than in a hotel. The "Tavern on the Green" in New York City's Central Park.

    The attendant didn't merely hand you a cloth towel for your hands at the sink, he'd dry your hands himself if you'd let him, with or without hand lotion. I'd never permit that, but some of my friends would, I thought that was inexcusably decadent.

    Of course that men's room also had a shoe shine attendant with a couple of elevated chairs, as many of the older restrooms once did. Unless there was a more complete shoe shine station outside, as city hotel lobbies commonly once provided, sometimes in conjunction with a barber shop.


    A lot of the 5* hotel bathrooms in London don't have bathroom attendants at all these days. I think housekeeping just give them a regular clean and resupply. The last attended bathroom I went to was in the Waldorf Astoria (I wasn't freeloading this time, as I was actually a guest).

    I could never work out how a restaurant as iconic as the Tavern on the Green ended up going bankrupt (although it has resumed trading as a restaurant in the last couple of years).
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    roadbikeRob saidI guess San Francisco has become the major city to avoid not only for being the most outrageously expensive but also for the most morally depraved. Why don't they just decriminalize taking a piss on the double yellow lines down the center of both Market Street and Van Ness Avenue while those leftist lunatics in city hall are at it. icon_evil.gif

    You call people who need to take a piss "morally depraved?" It's a natural function of ALL animals (and yes, we are animals) so why would you be so outraged to see someone doing something so completely natural? icon_confused.gif

    Ummm ... something about "a time and a place for everything?" I wouldn't call it "morally depraved," but it sure is awfully damn inconsiderate and shows a lack of self-control. Besides, there've been public restrooms in Dolores Pk. for decades; the SF Park Dep't just failed to clean and police them, just as the SFPD failed to confront and dissuade drug dealers and gang bangers from plying their trades there. And, we can thank certain members of "the gay community" for allowing them to devolve from their intended purpose into sexual trysting spots. Same for Buena Vista Pk., above the Castro, which sported that cute notoriety which finds so much support in SF. Nevermind that this was before and into the height of the AIDS "pandemic;" it was gay, therefore it was good. Now, that's what I'd call morally depraved.
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    I could never work out how a restaurant as iconic as the Tavern on the Green ended up going bankrupt (although it has resumed trading as a restaurant in the last couple of years).

    Ridiculously high prices and a tired menu are what done it in. Too bad, because it's location was the best! Oh well, now we have the High Line! icon_cool.gif
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    I could never work out how a restaurant as iconic as the Tavern on the Green ended up going bankrupt (although it has resumed trading as a restaurant in the last couple of years).

    I really wasn't following it's troubles from outside the area at the time. I believe my last visit in there was in 2006. Its problem were numerous. The last effective owner since its major (and illegal) renovation that created the crass Crystal Room died in 2001, and his daughter appeared to be a less effective manager.

    The place floundered during the Bush Recession. It got hit with a multi-million-dollar court ruling for sexual discrimination against employees. It developed labor problems. There was bad publicity from periodic attacks on patrons and a robbery by gangs leaving nearby Central Park outdoor rock concerts. It was supposed to be bought by another party, and they began having difficulties closing the deal. At one point even Trump got involved.

    It's open on a much smaller scale at present, I'm now reading, and getting poor food reviews. The grandly overdone Crystal Room was torn down. This is actually not that unusual a life and death cycle for businesses in NYC.