Christie rattles Rubio at debate...

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    Feb 07, 2016 4:49 AM GMT
    Rubio Commander n Chief material?......NOT
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:09 AM GMT
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    Thanks for the heads up. Just youtubed it. "That's not leadership, that's truancy." Very funny.

    Just watched some more. Rubio can't think on his feet. There's that 2.0 high school GPA of his.

    This guy has already risen far beyond his level of incompetency.

    He's both the GOP's best chance & he's nothing.
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    Feb 07, 2016 9:19 AM GMT
    Defenders of the long, arduous process by which the United States elects a president often say the marathon campaign’s chief value is that it finds people out. On Saturday night that old saw was confirmed once again – and the candidate being found out was Marco Rubio.
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    Feb 07, 2016 9:55 AM GMT
    mybud saidRubio Commander n Chief material?......NOT


    As I've said many times, not yet. 2020 or 2024. He needs a couple of terms as FL governor doing a good job as an adminstrator. Then we might look at him.
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    Feb 07, 2016 3:22 PM GMT
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    mybud saidRubio Commander n Chief material?......NOT


    As I've said many times, not yet. 2020 or 2024. He needs a couple of terms as FL governor doing a good job as an adminstrator. Then we might look at him.


    I think the Senate will be the highest he ever achieves.

    Anybody with substantial debt who blows $80,000 on a fishing boat.....well, I'd say he's not dealing with reality.
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    Feb 07, 2016 4:45 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    mybud saidRubio Commander n Chief material?......NOT


    As I've said many times, not yet. 2020 or 2024. He needs a couple of terms as FL governor doing a good job as an adminstrator. Then we might look at him.


    I think the Senate will be the highest he ever achieves.

    Anybody with substantial debt who blows $80,000 on a fishing boat.....well, I'd say he's not dealing with reality.


    This is why I'm saying that he needs to run something. Something with a budget.
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    Feb 07, 2016 5:55 PM GMT
    Different perspectives:

    1) Rubio spent $80K on a boat while he had a student loan balance. Was there any report that he failed to make any payments or otherwise failed to fulfill the obligations of that student loan? Couldn't the same charge be made against anyone who buys an upper end car while having a house mortgage? Or takes a vacation or makes a purchase using a home equity loan while having an existing mortgage? In fact, Rubio did not go further in debt to buy the boat, unlike what most do when purchasing a car or going on vacation.

    Unless there are other facts I'm not aware of, seems like a whole lot of nothing. People were against Romney because he was too rich, too out of touch. Now against Rubio because he did what a large percentage of the middle class does.

    2) Debate performance - Ok, he didn't have a great night. I don't suggest ignoring debate performance and public speaking ability. For example, Obama completely collapsing when a teleprompter failed accurately predicted a total incompetent. But characterizing Rubio based on a single bad night, when he is generally very articulate and specific about policies, seems like someone willing to criticize a writer's ability upon finding a misspelling or misplaced comma.

    3) The Democrats and their loyal media see Rubio as possibly the biggest threat. They will do anything to diminish Rubio. Knowing their motives, I don't buy into that.
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    Feb 07, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidDebate performance - Ok, he didn't have a great night. I don't suggest ignoring debate performance and public speaking ability. For example, Obama completely collapsing when a teleprompter failed accurately predicted a total incompetent. But characterizing Rubio based on a single bad night, when he is generally very articulate and specific about policies, seems like someone willing to criticize a writer's ability upon finding a misspelling or misplaced comma.


    I remember the Obama teleprompter fail. I suppose it's an object lesson in not getting too comfortable with your preferred means of delivery. As for Rubio, it was a rather "Stepford Wives" performance, the way he simply took refuge in his prepared lines, even though, by that point, he must have known he was walking straight into Christie's trap. I think it did expose a certain naivety and lack of depth on his part. He is going to have to work very hard to make up for it now.
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    Feb 07, 2016 6:47 PM GMT
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    mybud saidRubio Commander n Chief material?......NOT


    As I've said many times, not yet. 2020 or 2024. He needs a couple of terms as FL governor doing a good job as an adminstrator. Then we might look at him.


    I think the Senate will be the highest he ever achieves.

    Anybody with substantial debt who blows $80,000 on a fishing boat.....well, I'd say he's not dealing with reality.


    This is why I'm saying that he needs to run something. Something with a budget.


    I agree, however, I think a gubernatorial opponent will use it to show why he can't handle a budget. But if he pays down debt and reduces his spending, it would become a positive.
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    Feb 07, 2016 6:52 PM GMT
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    S2Ki said
    freedomisntfree said
    mybud saidRubio Commander n Chief material?......NOT


    As I've said many times, not yet. 2020 or 2024. He needs a couple of terms as FL governor doing a good job as an adminstrator. Then we might look at him.


    I think the Senate will be the highest he ever achieves.

    Anybody with substantial debt who blows $80,000 on a fishing boat.....well, I'd say he's not dealing with reality.


    This is why I'm saying that he needs to run something. Something with a budget.


    I agree, however, I think a gubernatorial opponent will use it to show why he can't handle a budget. But if he pays down debt and reduces his spending, it would become a positive.


    It's just experience that I want any and all POTUS candidates to have.
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    Feb 07, 2016 7:48 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidDifferent perspectives:

    1) Rubio spent $80K on a boat while he had a student loan balance. Was there any report that he failed to make any payments or otherwise failed to fulfill the obligations of that student loan? Couldn't the same charge be made against anyone who buys an upper end car while having a house mortgage? Or takes a vacation or makes a purchase using a home equity loan while having an existing mortgage? In fact, Rubio did not go further in debt to buy the boat, unlike what most do when purchasing a car or going on vacation.

    Unless there are other facts I'm not aware of, seems like a whole lot of nothing. People were against Romney because he was too rich, too out of touch. Now against Rubio because he did what a large percentage of the middle class does.

    2) Debate performance - Ok, he didn't have a great night. I don't suggest ignoring debate performance and public speaking ability. For example, Obama completely collapsing when a teleprompter failed accurately predicted a total incompetent. But characterizing Rubio based on a single bad night, when he is generally very articulate and specific about policies, seems like someone willing to criticize a writer's ability upon finding a misspelling or misplaced comma.

    3) The Democrats and their loyal media see Rubio as possibly the biggest threat. They will do anything to diminish Rubio. Knowing their motives, I don't buy into that.


    Yes, it's a matter of perspective. Most people who make $200k/yr. probably view a mortgage and a few fairly nice cars as upper middle class necessities, but wouldn't splurge for a boat like that. But if they're single or use it for business, or even a boating enthusiast, then why not. As for Rubio, seeing the Kennedys, Bushes, Mitt Romney, etc. come from families where this wasn't a big deal, maybe influenced his desire to live a high consumption life.

    Like FIF says, it's part of the maturity process, and I think if he wants to be president badly enough, he needs to do a better job of managing his personal finances.
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    Feb 07, 2016 9:38 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidDifferent perspectives:

    1) Rubio spent $80K on a boat while he had a student loan balance. Was there any report that he failed to make any payments or otherwise failed to fulfill the obligations of that student loan? Couldn't the same charge be made against anyone who buys an upper end car while having a house mortgage? Or takes a vacation or makes a purchase using a home equity loan while having an existing mortgage? In fact, Rubio did not go further in debt to buy the boat, unlike what most do when purchasing a car or going on vacation.

    Unless there are other facts I'm not aware of, seems like a whole lot of nothing. People were against Romney because he was too rich, too out of touch. Now against Rubio because he did what a large percentage of the middle class does.

    2) Debate performance - Ok, he didn't have a great night. I don't suggest ignoring debate performance and public speaking ability. For example, Obama completely collapsing when a teleprompter failed accurately predicted a total incompetent. But characterizing Rubio based on a single bad night, when he is generally very articulate and specific about policies, seems like someone willing to criticize a writer's ability upon finding a misspelling or misplaced comma.

    3) The Democrats and their loyal media see Rubio as possibly the biggest threat. They will do anything to diminish Rubio. Knowing their motives, I don't buy into that.


    Yes, it's a matter of perspective. Most people who make $200k/yr. probably view a mortgage and a few fairly nice cars as upper middle class necessities, but wouldn't splurge for a boat like that. But if they're single or use it for business, or even a boating enthusiast, then why not. As for Rubio, seeing the Kennedys, Bushes, Mitt Romney, etc. come from families where this wasn't a big deal, maybe influenced his desire to live a high consumption life.

    Like FIF says, it's part of the maturity process, and I think if he wants to be president badly enough, he needs to do a better job of managing his personal finances.

    I don't see that buying the boat means he mismanaged his personal finances. Where I come from, general So Calif area, spending $80K for a car or a boat is not all that unusual. Look at all the Mercedes, BMWs, Teslas, etc. Bet that most of the buyers have a home mortgage and bought the car either with an auto loan, home equity loan, or on a lease. Rubio did not go further into debt with that boat purchase, and my points above stand.

    I can't dispute someone wanting a President with more experience. But there won't be a perfect candidate. What is key is an acceptable one who can be elected. Right now I'm not convinced that Rubio is necessarily the most electable or that Trump is the least.

    Consider the Democrats - Hillary - dishonest, unlikable, criminal; Sanders - socialist, policies don't add up according to even liberal economists; Obama - junior state and US senator, community organizer, biggest accomplishment prior to being elected was sitting in Rev Wright's church hearing him say "God Damn America".

    Considering the alternatives, I'll take someone imperfect who can win over the cast of characters on a course to destroy the country.
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    Feb 07, 2016 11:32 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidDebate performance - Ok, he didn't have a great night. I don't suggest ignoring debate performance and public speaking ability. For example, Obama completely collapsing when a teleprompter failed accurately predicted a total incompetent. But characterizing Rubio based on a single bad night, when he is generally very articulate and specific about policies, seems like someone willing to criticize a writer's ability upon finding a misspelling or misplaced comma.


    I remember the Obama teleprompter fail. I suppose it's an object lesson in not getting too comfortable with your preferred means of delivery. As for Rubio, it was a rather "Stepford Wives" performance, the way he simply took refuge in his prepared lines, even though, by that point, he must have known he was walking straight into Christie's trap. I think it did expose a certain naivety and lack of depth on his part. He is going to have to work very hard to make up for it now.


    Mil, that's a pretty good analysis on your part. However, what you quoted is exactly why I've clicked that thing onto ignore so long ago. Sorry I read here that bullshit spellcheck as subterfuge used to camouflage faulty logic. I'm usually better at averting my eyes. My mistake; but since I did see, I'll comment: Its analogy is horseshit. There's a big difference between reading to the audience from a book and have someone take the book away mid read, as opposed to speaking extemporaneously about a book you supposedly read and then mid speak have someone walk away with your balls.

    Had only he left them at the park where they were safe. But then he couldn't have sold them to the highest bidder who'd have his arrest record placed elsewhere destroyed.
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    Feb 07, 2016 11:40 PM GMT
    theantijock said Its analogy is horseshit. There's a big difference between reading to the audience from a book and have someone take the book away mid read, as opposed to speaking extemporaneously about a book you supposedly read and then mid speak have someone walk away with your balls.

    This mental case is trying to justify Obama failing when the teleprompter failed as reading from a book and having the book taken away. Obama never presented himself as reading from a book, but being a great orator, versus being a great reader. The teleprompter fail showed exactly what he was. And the post I quoted is further demonstration of how our tax dollars are spent:

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    Feb 08, 2016 4:00 AM GMT
    One debate I actually liked.
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    Feb 08, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    This mental case is trying to justify Obama failing when the teleprompter failed as reading from a book and having the book taken away. Obama never presented himself as reading from a book, but being a great orator, versus being a great reader. The teleprompter fail showed exactly what he was.


    Obama was a POTUS, reading from a prepared speech, whereas Rubio was a presidential wannabe taking part in a debate. Big difference.
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    socalfitness said
    This mental case is trying to justify Obama failing when the teleprompter failed as reading from a book and having the book taken away. Obama never presented himself as reading from a book, but being a great orator, versus being a great reader. The teleprompter fail showed exactly what he was.


    Obama was a POTUS, reading from a prepared speech, whereas Rubio was a presidential wannabe taking part in a debate. Big difference.


    Exactly Mil, the smarmy one has failed to actually exercise its thinking yet again, relying on the stagnant pus between its ears to keep its skull from collapsing.

    The only thing Obama did wrong--and if I remember the episode, wasn't that fairly early in the new job?--was to not simply admit that the teleprompter fucked up. That's all he had to do. He should have paused, explained the technical difficulty to his audience and then continued when it was fixed.

    Outside of his tiny ball sack, Rubio's fuckup wasn't an issue of technical difficulty but of failing to follow through with the argument he himself initiated but had neither the background of nor the backbone for. What was he going to admit in shame. Oooops, my bad? Christie had already made Rocky Mountain Oysters of him by then. Our guys would mince him into a pie.

    "I like you Rubio," said Christie during the debate, leaning on his podium and batting his eyes. "I think you're delicious."