Do you think it makes sense for jacked Bodybuilders to give nutrition advice?

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    Feb 07, 2016 7:41 PM GMT
    Most of us accept that these guys use steroids to achieve the way the look, and yeah that also requires good amount of effort. But when they start making people believe that the kind of body they have is achievable by normal diet, it gets really hypocritical.
    My gym's advertising monitor is filled with these roided bodybuilders telling people how to eat right and work out.
    This is the part which bothers me very much. I don't care what they do with their body. It's like crack addicts giving seminar on self-control and mental well being.
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    Feb 07, 2016 7:53 PM GMT
    There are many, many self-proclaimed "nutrition experts" in the world. They're working in health food stores, have web pages on the internet, you name it.

    I certainly agree with you, but in the broader sense you're splitting hairs.

    What I find disturbing is that I go to the local health food store to buy wheat bran. While I'm in there I've heard them advising people to take certain vitamins or herbal remedies for things that are ailing the customer. And they don't say, "some people have had good luck with Xyz," or "some people have found Xyz helpful," they'll say, "Xyz is good for that."
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    Feb 07, 2016 8:13 PM GMT

    It depends on the advice. If someone is knowledgeable it's easy to tailor advice to someone's lifestyle and level of experience. Just because a dude is roided up doesn't mean he can't help a regular joe lose weight.

    If it's "do this and you'll look like me" then yeah that's disingenuous but don't forget these people are selling a service. You aren't likely to take advice from a fat guy, buy nutrition products from a skinny dude. The guy behind the counter at GNC is not too different from the guy working at bestbuy or a car dealership. They're trying to sell you shit, so they are going to lie to you.

    There are many, many self-proclaimed "nutrition experts" in the world


    Don't forget about the ones who have medical degrees from the 1980s.
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    Feb 07, 2016 8:27 PM GMT
    I would definitely prefer some disclaimer with all those advice, which you usually find in some advertisements, which have some stunts performed by a professional.
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    Feb 07, 2016 8:47 PM GMT
    __morphic__ saidI would definitely prefer some disclaimer with all those advice, which you usually find in some advertisements, which have some stunts performed by a professional.

    But on TV the disclaimers flash by in a few milliseconds, much too fast for anyone to read them. TV is another great example, where we have advertisements with actors dressed up as doctors claiming that some likely quack remedy will help you. Or the "Dr." Oz TV show; it always cracks me up when people quote that guy. Or the "Dr." Mercola, who's a Dr. Oz wannabe.
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    Feb 07, 2016 10:51 PM GMT
    I have a friend with a jacked body. Yes, He's on steroids and HGH and will readily admit his diet is crap - macaroni and cheese and french fries are his staples. I'd never take nutrition advice from him.
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    Feb 08, 2016 12:23 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI have a friend with a jacked body. Yes, He's on steroids and HGH and will readily admit his diet is crap - macaroni and cheese and french fries are his staples.

    Proof that nutrition doesn't matter.   icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 08, 2016 2:20 PM GMT
    Justme99 saidI think the ONLY people who should be giving health advice are trained medical doctors and other medical staff NOT novices, who are just bodybuilders.

    Furthermore, on the subject of steroids, those men are honestly ruining their bodies in more ways than one. First, those men abusing steroids leads to feminization, loss of body hair, smaller down below anatomy, and so forth. It's very unhealthy and illegal to abuse steroids and certainly NOT something any healthy person should do.

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    You mean pudgy "doctors" that smoke, drink Diet Pepsi and eat doughnuts are better qualified to give health advice?
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    Feb 08, 2016 2:40 PM GMT
    Yes, why not? Just use your commonsense and be able to distinguish between good and bad advice.
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    Feb 08, 2016 5:02 PM GMT
    Justme99 saidI think the ONLY people who should be giving health advice are trained medical doctors and other medical staff NOT novices, who are just bodybuilders.

    Furthermore, on the subject of steroids, those men are honestly ruining their bodies in more ways than one. First, those men abusing steroids leads to feminization, loss of body hair, smaller down below anatomy, and so forth. It's very unhealthy and illegal to abuse steroids and certainly NOT something any healthy person should do.

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    Many medical personnel are the LEAST informed around AAS. Completely off base as to the different forms for steroids. E.g., catabolic vs anabolic. I've laughed at their lack of knowledge.

    Estrogen effects are easily mitigated. AAS are a treatment of choice for anti-aging and dehabilitating disease, for good reason: they promote recovery, healing, a sense of well being, are a strong anti-depressant and the benefit to cost ratio is very high.

    My cardiac care team WANTS me in the competitive corner, and two days after open heart surgery, asked me to compete again, that year. 9 months after being sawed in half, I was show ready.

    You know little, to nothing, about the facts here.

    My medical team is 100% on board with my life style, and were the group that encourages me to continue. At 55, and after open heart surgery in 2013...I am the walking, breathing, very healthy, walking testimonial.

    My LDL is an 85. Almost certainly better than your own. I encourage you to google me to look into my daily life.

    You are very, very, very ignorant.
  • MarkPhoenix

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    Feb 08, 2016 5:25 PM GMT
    This is an extremely common misconception.

    Steroids are not a magical injectable that allow you to eat shit, not train, and get huge.

    Do they cut down the time it takes to pack on muscle? Absolutely. But you are out of your mind if you think those guys aren't meticulously watching what they eat, training harder than guys that aren't on gear - and paying a lot of attention to what they put into their bodies.

    So - yeah, if someone is huge, and shredded - and also on gear, it is probably safe to say they know what they are talking about with regard to nutrition, because there are a lot of guys that are on gear that just end up fat because they know nothing about diet/nutrition.
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    Feb 08, 2016 6:30 PM GMT
    Justme99 said
    MarkPhoenix saidThis is an extremely common misconception.

    Steroids are not a magical injectable that allow you to eat shit, not train, and get huge.

    Do they cut down the time it takes to pack on muscle? Absolutely. But you are out of your mind if you think those guys aren't meticulously watching what they eat, training harder than guys that aren't on gear - and paying a lot of attention to what they put into their bodies.

    So - yeah, if someone is huge, and shredded - and also on gear, it is probably safe to say they know what they are talking about with regard to nutrition, because there are a lot of guys that are on gear that just end up fat because they know nothing about diet/nutrition.


    Mayo Clinic is the highest standard for medicine and Mayo argues that steroids are unhealthy & dangerous. You're not a doctor, so you really shouldn't be commenting about medical science.

    I hope this clarifies things because you don't need to be spreading wrong information.





    1. Where in my post did I claim that steroids are healthy? Please point me to that, because those words never crossed my lips (err, text).

    2. My simple point was - regardless of the use of steroids or not, for a guy to be "huge and also shredded" he has to have an understanding of diet and nutrition. It is as simple as that.

    3. No "wrong information" was spread - sure AAS carry their risks, and whether someone decides to use them or not is a personal decision - but YOU can't automatically assume that someone using them has no working knowledge or understanding of diet and nutrition - because as I said before, there are guys that use gear and end up huge and cut, and guys that use gear that end up pudgy and fat. The difference? The first guy knew what to eat.
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    Feb 08, 2016 8:49 PM GMT
    MarkPhoenix said
    Justme99 said
    MarkPhoenix saidThis is an extremely common misconception.

    Steroids are not a magical injectable that allow you to eat shit, not train, and get huge.

    Do they cut down the time it takes to pack on muscle? Absolutely. But you are out of your mind if you think those guys aren't meticulously watching what they eat, training harder than guys that aren't on gear - and paying a lot of attention to what they put into their bodies.

    So - yeah, if someone is huge, and shredded - and also on gear, it is probably safe to say they know what they are talking about with regard to nutrition, because there are a lot of guys that are on gear that just end up fat because they know nothing about diet/nutrition.


    Mayo Clinic is the highest standard for medicine and Mayo argues that steroids are unhealthy & dangerous. You're not a doctor, so you really shouldn't be commenting about medical science.

    I hope this clarifies things because you don't need to be spreading wrong information.





    1. Where in my post did I claim that steroids are healthy? Please point me to that, because those words never crossed my lips (err, text).

    2. My simple point was - regardless of the use of steroids or not, for a guy to be "huge and also shredded" he has to have an understanding of diet and nutrition. It is as simple as that.

    3. No "wrong information" was spread - sure AAS carry their risks, and whether someone decides to use them or not is a personal decision - but YOU can't automatically assume that someone using them has no working knowledge or understanding of diet and nutrition - because as I said before, there are guys that use gear and end up huge and cut, and guys that use gear that end up pudgy and fat. The difference? The first guy knew what to eat.

    2. Not necessarily. Steroids compensate a lot for shitty diet, and equally bad work out. It's same as a guy cheating his way through the medical school to be a doctor vs the guy who didn't cheat. Who would you choose as your doctor, if you had that kind of information? It's just not medical school. In any kind of profession, if you cheat your way, you lose all the trust from your future employers or consumers.
    As a natural bodybuilder, you would want to know realistic goals, and the journey involved. What's the point of following someone's advice who never had to struggle the way a natural guy would. You can't downplay the effect of steroids. It's just not like taking creatine or protein. There is even a research paper where they showed that just taking steroids without even doing any heavy lifting gives you more muscle than a natural guy who lifts few times a week.
    One of the many examples which shows how effective steroids are
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTVWrknCISE
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    Feb 08, 2016 8:53 PM GMT
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    Justme99 saidI think the ONLY people who should be giving health advice are trained medical doctors and other medical staff NOT novices, who are just bodybuilders.

    Furthermore, on the subject of steroids, those men are honestly ruining their bodies in more ways than one. First, those men abusing steroids leads to feminization, loss of body hair, smaller down below anatomy, and so forth. It's very unhealthy and illegal to abuse steroids and certainly NOT something any healthy person should do.

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    You mean pudgy "doctors" that smoke, drink Diet Pepsi and eat doughnuts are better qualified to give health advice?

    yes, they are. Try some gym dude for your brain surgery next time.
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    Feb 08, 2016 9:45 PM GMT
    If you want to look at it as "cheating" - then I suppose that is your perspective.

    But, again - and from my own experience, the guys on steroids that look truly phenomenal - are counting/weighing/measuring calories/macros/etc. just as hard, if not harder than anyone else - and are lifting just as hard/harder than anyone else.

    If you want to look like, say - Dylan Thomas - as a natural bodybuilder, sure - that is attainable, if you want it to take 15 years. I prefer to look at steroids as a "short-cut," rather than "cheating." But - like I said, plenty of people that do not have a lot of information on the subject are pretty quick to say these guys don't diet hard as fuck, and train like maniacs.

    And, as I pointed out in my previous post - there are plenty of guys that wind up fat on gear. So, while you think there is validity in that studies have shown increased muscle mass simply from the introduction of AAS to the system - sure, that is true. But your question was about bodybuilders (i.e. guys that look good enough to compete) so the average Joe Blow wasting his cycle doesn't really matter in this discussion.
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    Feb 08, 2016 10:04 PM GMT
    If you're talking venues like RJ then it's not like dietary advice here is sought or received with any sort of guarantees anyway; if you have a useful dietary idea or resource for a 'normal' lifestyle then just share it and be prepared to ignore the inevitable beratement from those who do use steroids.

    Besides, it's not like the steroid-specific dietary advice is any more detailed, actionable, or specific than the rest anyway. It usually comes in the form of unspecified homework: 'google paleo' or some such, which in most cases will negate whatever potential harm there might have been. Offer what you know and know what sort of information you're looking for, and don't let noise distract from either of these.

    ...shrug...
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    Feb 08, 2016 10:14 PM GMT
    Justme99, I give you a list of potential side effects of Accutane:


    • depressed mood
    • trouble concentrating
    • sleep problems
    • crying spells
    • aggression or agitation
    • changes in behavior
    • hallucinations
    • thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself;
    • sudden numbness or weakness especially on one side of the body
    • blurred vision
    • sudden and severe headache or pain behind your eyes sometimes with
    • vomiting
    • hearing problems
    • hearing loss or ringing in your ears;
    • seizure (convulsions);
    • severe pain in your upper stomach spreading to your back
    • nausea and vomiting
    • fast heart rate;
    • loss of appetite
    • dark urine
    • clay-colored stools
    • jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes);
    • severe diarrhea
    • rectal bleeding
    • black bloody or tarry stools;
    • fever
    • chills
    • body aches
    • flu symptoms
    • purple spots under your skin
    • easy bruising or bleeding;
    • severe blistering
    • peeling and red skin rash
    • joint stiffness
    • bone pain or fracture


    It causes grave defects in fetuses, it's implicated in a series of suicides and just like steroids, they are mostly used for cosmetic purposes.

    God forbid anyone ever takes a dangerous drug just to look better, right?
  • MarkPhoenix

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    Feb 08, 2016 10:56 PM GMT
    Kind of walking a fine line there, aren't we? If you want to get technical - testosterone is prescribed for TRT....soo, sure, they're illegal to take without a doctor's oversight. And yet, for TRT they are recommended all the time.

    Edit: And for the record, you are not supposed to take Accutane without medical oversight, as well as regular testing and trips to a therapist.
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    Feb 08, 2016 11:00 PM GMT
    bachian saidJustme99, I give you a list of potential side effects of Accutane:
    ...
    God forbid anyone ever takes a dangerous drug just to look better, right?

    To use the old saw, two wrongs don't make a right. I.e., just because an acne medicine has potential side effects doesn't mean we're free to ignore the side effects of steroids.
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    Feb 08, 2016 11:06 PM GMT
    ....as I just pointed out, they're legal if they are prescribed to you.
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    Feb 08, 2016 11:16 PM GMT
    Justme99 saidI think the ONLY people who should be giving health advice are trained medical doctors and other medical staff NOT novices, who are just bodybuilders.

    Furthermore, on the subject of steroids, those men are honestly ruining their bodies in more ways than one. First, those men abusing steroids leads to feminization, loss of body hair, smaller down below anatomy, and so forth. It's very unhealthy and illegal to abuse steroids and certainly NOT something any healthy person should do.

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    I don't know about where you live but here in New Mexico medical personnel have not escaped the obesity epidemic. From clerical personnel to nurses to doctors, the majority are seriously overweight.

    It would be hard for a patient to take even good medical advice seriously if it is given by a medical partitioner who obviously does not practice what he preaches.
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    Feb 08, 2016 11:27 PM GMT
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    Justme99 saidI think the ONLY people who should be giving health advice are trained medical doctors and other medical staff NOT novices, who are just bodybuilders.

    Furthermore, on the subject of steroids, those men are honestly ruining their bodies in more ways than one. First, those men abusing steroids leads to feminization, loss of body hair, smaller down below anatomy, and so forth. It's very unhealthy and illegal to abuse steroids and certainly NOT something any healthy person should do.

    Great post and have a magnificent Monday! icon_cool.gif



    You mean pudgy "doctors" that smoke, drink Diet Pepsi and eat doughnuts are better qualified to give health advice?

    yes, they are. Try some gym dude for your brain surgery next time.


    What brain surgery? A lobotomy?
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    Feb 09, 2016 12:25 AM GMT
    Justme99 saidIt's like comparing apples & oranges.


    They're not different from the point of view of what they are used for: cosmetic improvement. Steroids and Accutane are both legal drugs (if prescribed) which can have serious side effects and both are used for cosmetics.

    However, for some mysterious reason, Accutane is moral and steroids are not. Where is the line?

    ps: I used Accutane and loved it
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    Feb 09, 2016 2:25 AM GMT
    Justme99 saidBachian,

    why did you use accutane? did you have severe acne? I was talking about abusing steroids in particular NOT when they're prescribed out of necessity.


    I had relentless acne until I was 28, my uncle had it until he was 30 and his face looks like the surface of the moon today, mine is smooth like a baby's butt and I owe that to the oh-so-dangerous accutane.

    Necessity is subjective and it's up to the risk taker alone to make this judgement.
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    Feb 09, 2016 2:27 AM GMT
    By the way, many doctors use steroids.