Gay Sex in Michigan Punishable by 15 Years in Prison?

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    Feb 09, 2016 5:41 AM GMT
    http://www.thegailygrind.com/2016/02/08/michigan-senate-just-passed-a-bill-making-anal-sex-punishable-by-15-years-in-prison/
  • psustud

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    Feb 09, 2016 2:11 PM GMT
    I understand the symbolic frustration with this and Not that it should be left alone but this is 95% uniforceable.
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    Feb 09, 2016 2:25 PM GMT
    psustud saidI understand... Not that it should be left alone...

    there are some African countries where this type of thing could fly well
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    Feb 09, 2016 3:05 PM GMT
    I guess this should remind everyone that we are one Supreme Court justice away from being criminals in half the country all over again.

    There is a case to be made that this alone should inform your choices in November. It's hard not to be a single issue voter when choosing one way potentially means 15 years in prison.
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    Feb 09, 2016 3:40 PM GMT
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    I've posted this before and here it is again:
    Civil Rights is not a single issue. This isn't about just gun control or just abortion or just animal rights; rather, it is about a whole host of rights withheld from an entire segment of the population.

    Coming together to fight that isn't single issue politics, though I suppose it might be considered a voting bloc which might in some senses disband once rights have been gained and secured. But single issue? Not hardly.

    The LGBT Social Movement, The Gay Rights Movement involves many issues, not just one. Marriage, jobs, discrimination in housing, access to healthcare, adoption rights, protections against school bullying, homelessness, abuses by religion, etc. etc etc.

    Single issue? No. This is a Social Movement. Somewhat greater than a single issue


    So voting for NOT TRUMP based upon that he himself has said, among the many stupid things he's said, that he'd stack the Supremes against us, even that is not single issue. Rather--just as a car does not ride upon merely a single tire but a set--it is one part of an entire package.

    Voting reflects values. What does anyone value higher than their human rights, their civil rights, without which life is wretched.

    Being gay, being a person is not a single issue. Voting for Republicans who seek to degrade us is disgusting.

    To the comment that such law is 95% unenforceable, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is 100% enforceable just not successfully prosecutable. With that law on the book, they can enter your home, pull you from it, throw you in jail and process you as a criminal. The Supreme Court ruling would keep them from winning the prosecuting in court, but the persecuting of us is enforceable.

    Further, even without enforcing the law of that land, which they can do as it is their law, it is persecuting merely by being kept upon the books. The Republicans know that. The Republicans did that on purpose.

    I read this in another thread and the article of that quotes some scumbag Republican saying it was too much of a bother to remove the wording. That the dogs were more important than gay people. That was not a misspeak. They mean what they say.

    Vote accordingly. Vote as if your life depended on it. Because it does.
  • SkyMiles

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    Feb 09, 2016 4:22 PM GMT
    But poisoning an entire community's water supply -- still A-ok! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 09, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
    SkyMiles saidBut poisoning an entire community's water supply -- still A-ok! icon_biggrin.gif

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  • AMoonHawk

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    Feb 09, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
    Exactly why the GOP must come to end. They are the definition of what is wrong with America.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 09, 2016 6:10 PM GMT
    robbaker saidIt's about time .who wants to see guys having sex in public keep in the closet whoresicon_rolleyes.gif

    I think you need to update your raunchy pics. Maybe try some new costumes, toys, etc??
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    Feb 09, 2016 6:14 PM GMT
    This $3 bill is going nowhere fast. Even assuming it passes the MI House and is signed by the governor, it'll be swiftly challenged in federal court, and a federal judge would be well within his discretion in ordering sanctions paid by whichever deputy AG was unlucky enough to be tasked with defending the indefensible as this law is struck down.
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    Feb 09, 2016 6:18 PM GMT
    I've had a hard time finding the numbers, but apparently this passed the Michigan Senate with bipartisan support.

    Before anyone wets their panties over this comment, I'm fully aware that this was because the GOP writer intentionally designed it as an election litmus test. Either you favor draconian sodomy laws or you hate animals.

    But that's kind of why your representative NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO COUNT ON YOU AS MORE THAN JUST A SINGLE-ISSUE VOTER!!! Your job is not over when you cast a Democrat vote!

    Be an ongoing force for a more resilient, flexible, open-minded, tolerant kind of liberalism and you just might render this cynical GOP strategy less effective. If all they have to do is make us choose between their various shades and flavors of hate and intolerance, then in the end they win.
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    Feb 09, 2016 6:25 PM GMT
    ^^^ NEWSFLASH! Demos vote against gay rights all the time, you just don't hear about it as much. That's cynical as well as oppressive, for both those Demos that do, and for those gay groups, like HRC and others, who continue to throw money at them; the GOP has a monopoly on neither. Recall how ENDA almost passed the US Senate several years ago, even though several Demos voted against it. Yes, be vigilant, and don't put all your eggs in one basket!
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    Feb 09, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
    MGINSD said^^^ NEWSFLASH! Demos vote against gay rights all the time, you just don't hear about it as much. That's cynical as well as oppressive, for both those Demos that do, and for those gay groups, like HRC and others, who continue to throw money at them; the GOP has a monopoly on neither. Recall how ENDA almost passed the US Senate several years ago, even though several Demos voted against it. Yes, be vigilant, and don't put all your eggs in one basket!


    The courage to reject ENDA was a huge step forward in sophistication and honesty in the LGBT movement. This is the sort of focused pragmatism I hope to see more of moving forward. Think about where you want to end up, not just your next defensive move.

    EDIT: That was not addressed to MGINSD, just citing him for the sake of moving on. The gay and/or progressive electorate has much more to offer than just numbers if we can lead by example and have a reasonable and tolerant discussion without being predictably reduced to hysteria and bickering by the opposition. Keep focused on the road ahead.
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    Feb 09, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
    "Courage to reject ENDA" = "giving the gift of AIDS."

    What utter nonsense!
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    Feb 09, 2016 8:34 PM GMT
    scftnsguy saidhttp://www.thegailygrind.com/2016/02/08/michigan-senate-just-passed-a-bill-making-anal-sex-punishable-by-15-years-in-prison/


    Apparently it is only the senate that passed the bill; it remains to be seen whether the house will also pass it.

    No doubt the majority of those who voted for the bill know full well that the Supreme Court would declare it unconstitutional. In voting for the bill the senators were simply pandering to the fulminating fundamentalists and their ilk. There are entirely too many people who believe that everything of which they disapprove should also be illegal. Those of us who have studied history knows where that kind of thinking would lead given enough influence.
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    Feb 09, 2016 8:35 PM GMT
    themachine saidI guess this should remind everyone that we are one Supreme Court justice away from being criminals in half the country all over again.

    There is a case to be made that this alone should inform your choices in November. It's hard not to be a single issue voter when choosing one way potentially means 15 years in prison.


    There are times when being a single issue voter can be justified.
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    Feb 09, 2016 8:42 PM GMT
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    themachine saidI guess this should remind everyone that we are one Supreme Court justice away from being criminals in half the country all over again.

    There is a case to be made that this alone should inform your choices in November. It's hard not to be a single issue voter when choosing one way potentially means 15 years in prison.


    There are times when being a single issue voter can be justified.

    +1
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    Feb 09, 2016 8:45 PM GMT
    MGINSD said^^^ NEWSFLASH! Demos vote against gay rights all the time, you just don't hear about it as much. That's cynical as well as oppressive, for both those Demos that do, and for those gay groups, like HRC and others, who continue to throw money at them; the GOP has a monopoly on neither. Recall how ENDA almost passed the US Senate several years ago, even though several Demos voted against it. Yes, be vigilant, and don't put all your eggs in one basket!


    Hardly a news flash. There are 53 Democrat Senators and 45 Republican Senators. Only 3 Democrats were against Gay Marriage. They were from conservative states: W Virginia, Arkansas and Louisiana. Maybe you can check for me, but I doubt the Republicans in those states were pro gay.

    Only 9 Republicans were FOR Gay Marriage. But 11 voted to extend VA benefits to Gay couples. All democrats did.

    Republicans barely HAVE a gay basket. If you put any eggs in them they will be crushed. Look at their platform and ALL of their presidential candidates are against Gay Rights.

    Don't base it on what happened years ago. Democrats, even those who initially were against Gay Rights are now (mostly) in our camp. Republicans have been reactionary to date. They are nothing but a blood clot in an otherwise healthy body. That seems to be their aspiration. Minority damage.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 09, 2016 10:39 PM GMT
    I thought that 2003 ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court made all sodomy laws totally unenforceable therefore rendering them a waste of space in the law books. What the goddamned hell is going on in Michiganicon_exclaim.gif
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    Feb 09, 2016 10:52 PM GMT
    I wonder what this means for the prisoners who engage in gay sex.
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    Feb 09, 2016 11:28 PM GMT
    Also noting (from metta's thread) that after the rightful hubbub the House will strike the controversial "mankind or" language from the SB 219 bill that passed the Senate.

    New article:

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/johnwright/breaking_michigan_house_to_remove_anti_gay_sodomy_provision_from_animal_welfare_bill

    Prior article:

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/johnwright/michigan_senate_passes_bill_saying_sodomy_is_a_felony

    As you've read already, this wasn't a "who doesn't like gay sex?" bill. This bill was designed by a Republican state senator (with bipartisan support) to strengthen its animal cruelty laws... including a revision of the provision that previously applied, historically, to sodomy and bestiality simultaneously...

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    The state, like dozens of others, never bothered to try passing a bill to amend the now-unconstitutional language regarding sodomy.

    One party gets scared of being tarred with the sodomy-lover brush; the other doesn't want to go through the hassle of explaining why it shouldn't matter anymore; and the whole state doesn't want the bad optics of trying, and failing, to strike it out.

    Sen. Rick Jones argued that his well-intentioned bill was not going to pass because SOME of his fellow pols (you can safely guess who they are) could not allow themselves, in bad conscience, to pass a bill that formally strikes out already unconstitutional sodomy language, even if it could save animal lives. As you can see, simply striking the part that read, "either with mankind or," would be a quick fix for the Senator and his bi-partisan pals.

    Alas...

    The New Civil Right Movement"But if you focus on it, people just go ballistic," he said. "If we could put a bill in that said anything that’s unconstitutional be removed from the legal books of Michigan, that’s probably something I could vote for, but am I going to mess up this dog bill that everybody wants? No."


    Rick Jones could look into why his colleagues would go "ballistic." But then he'd probably tell you to go worry about Beyonce at the Super Bowl, or something.

    People from both parties didn't want to screw up this "dog bill," so they kicked the can down to the House, whose members had the courage to strike the sodomy portions prior to it coming up for a vote.

    The New Civil Rights MovementIn response to a story from The New Civil Rights Movement, the Michigan House will remove language from a bill that reaffirms the state's unconstitutional sodomy ban, according to Equality Michigan. The language, which states sodomy is illegal, was kept intact in a bill designed to protect animals against abuse.

    Last week, NCRM broke a story about the fact that Senate Bill 291, a bill that's part of a popular legislative package addressing animal cruelty called Logan's Law, also contained the states' unconstitutional law making oral and anal sex — both homosexual and heterosexual — a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

    Over the weekend, the statewide LGBT group Equality Michigan said not removing the sodomy ban from the bill was "a missed opportunity," and said staff and board members were talking with lawmakers and legislative staff to discuss how the problem could be addressed in the House as the measure moves forward.

    On Tuesday morning, Equality Michigan announced that SB 291 will not move forward in the House with the sodomy ban intact.
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    Feb 10, 2016 2:21 AM GMT
    Living in Michigan itself is a prison... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 10, 2016 3:28 AM GMT
    metta said http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4175708 Michigan Bill Claiming Sodomy Is Illegal Will No Longer Include Unconstitutional Provision


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/johnwright/breaking_michigan_house_to_remove_anti_gay_sodomy_provision_from_animal_welfare_bill


    article:
    Over the weekend, the statewide LGBT group Equality Michigan said not removing the sodomy ban from the bill was "a missed opportunity," and said staff and board members were talking with lawmakers and legislative staff to discuss how the problem could be addressed in the House as the measure moves forward.

    On Tuesday morning, Equality Michigan announced that SB 291 will not move forward in the House with the sodomy ban intact.

  • buddycat

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    Feb 10, 2016 7:23 AM GMT
    Those sodomy laws have been struck down by the Supreme Court in 2003, Lawrence vs. Texas.
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    Feb 10, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
    robbaker saidat least i'm not parading myself in public like most of you fags doicon_rolleyes.gif

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