South Dakota - Lawmaker And Evangelical Pastor GOP State Representative Scott Craig Just Got His Anti-Gay 'Religious Freedom' Bill Passed

  • metta

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    Feb 09, 2016 8:30 PM GMT
    This Lawmaker And Evangelical Pastor Just Got His Anti-Gay 'Religious Freedom' Bill Passed

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/state_lawmaker_an_evangelical_pastor_gets_the_house_to_pass_his_anti_lgbt_religious_freedom_bill
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    Feb 09, 2016 10:47 PM GMT
    After Indiana, the GOPhers have shifted to make sure to get these Religious Freedumb bills passed in states where Big Corporate won't raise enough of a fit to matter. Resource extraction and Big Ag industries aren't going to threaten to shift business elsewhere. And it's safe to assume the Super Bowls and Final Fours aren't coming anytime soon.

    I'd love to say Georgia isn't right behind them. But corporate pressure is probably the reason prior attempts haven't passed already.
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    Feb 10, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    dayumm saidAfter Indiana, the GOPhers have shifted to make sure to get these Religious Freedumb bills passed in states where Big Corporate won't raise enough of a fit to matter. Resource extraction and Big Ag industries aren't going to threaten to shift business elsewhere. And it's safe to assume the Super Bowls and Final Fours aren't coming anytime soon.

    I'd love to say Georgia isn't right behind them. But corporate pressure is probably the reason prior attempts haven't passed already.


    Excellent summary. South Dakota is low hanging fruit for ridiculous legislation like this. I agree Georgia is probably in the gunsights, but will be a slightly harder hog to kill.
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    Feb 10, 2016 1:28 PM GMT
    dayumm saidAfter Indiana, the GOPhers have shifted to make sure to get these Religious Freedumb bills passed in states where Big Corporate won't raise enough of a fit to matter. Resource extraction and Big Ag industries aren't going to threaten to shift business elsewhere. And it's safe to assume the Super Bowls and Final Fours aren't coming anytime soon.

    I'd love to say Georgia isn't right behind them. But corporate pressure is probably the reason prior attempts haven't passed already.

    Two of South Dakota's biggest outside money makers, aside from its own internal ag industry, are Mount Rushmore, and (ready for it) the annual Sturgis motorcycle rally. I've been to both (the rally numerous times). And I can vouch that the people who go to both of them aren't going to shed any tears over the loss of gay rights.

    Well, I'll never be returning. Admittedly as much because of age as anything. But I did buy a motorcycle in Watertown, SD, and I'd like to have attended the rally one more time. But no more. If they don't want me, then the feeling is mutual. Gays have to learn to express themselves with their wallets.
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    Feb 10, 2016 4:28 PM GMT
    I'm now quite sure the South Dakota side of my family knew I was gay long before I realized, as for years they had an inscrutable habit of pulling me aside for vague yet insistently reassuring comments of unconditional support. Since coming to terms and coming out even more than before, I've come to see them as a great source of pride and strength, and the people I know who come from South Dakota and the people who have gone there tend to represent an oddly progressive libertarian viewpoint. This mindset clearly has vulnerabilities, making it easy for external* agendas to be propagated there, but I suspect (hope, at least) that it's not over yet. There seems to be at least some resistance mounting, and contrary to the title the bill has only passed the House thus far.

    Anyway, sorry to interrupt. On with the hate, judgment, and cries for mob justice. Catharsis takes priority over mending, obviously, and politics over people.



    * EDIT: By "external" I was mostly talking here about the involvement of Liberty Counsel (Kim Davis) et al. before the bill even passed, which in my mind evokes the ongoing Kansas experiments of the last 30-40 years or so. But I'll point out that at my grandfather's funeral a few years ago I was somewhat discomfited to see the bulletin boards in the church hallways -- where as a child I would have seen actual bulletins, cards, letters, pictures, etc. -- plastered with disturbingly glossy pamphlets about Obama's attacks on religion and the usual tripe. THIS WAS VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT HOME-GROWN! This in my mind is further evidence that it's just South Dakota's turn to be cynically used as a proxy for a political machine's agenda. If you really truly pretend to care about progress you will LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN and not just fall for another manipulative call to arms.

    But I digress. Nobody actually cares. Except possibly FRE0 below, who appears to understand where this particular instance of corruption pivots. Unfortunately, that's why Craig went into this with Kim Davis' laywers already on retainer.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 10, 2016 6:01 PM GMT
    The next step should be to discriminate against HIM, his family, and members of his church on religious grounds. I'll let others elaborate on how to do that.
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    Feb 11, 2016 12:03 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidThe next step should be to discriminate against HIM, his family, and members of his church on religious grounds. I'll let others elaborate on how to do that.

    There are a number of Christian churches that do not agree with this position. One, of course. is the Metropolitan Community Church (MCC). I believe another is the Unitarian. There are others. Plus there are Jewish congregations that oppose this thinking.

    So what happens to THEIR "deeply held religious beliefs"? Do they get overridden by the beliefs of this one segment, to the exclusion of all others? This is what our country's Founder's were trying to avoid, with a secular nation, and spare us the religious conflicts that had torn Europe apart.

    But now we're being told that our US Constitution is a religion-based document, that's conforms to Evangelical Christianity. Do you agree with that?
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    Feb 11, 2016 1:19 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    FRE0 saidThe next step should be to discriminate against HIM, his family, and members of his church on religious grounds. I'll let others elaborate on how to do that.

    There are a number of Christian churches that do not agree with this position. One, of course. is the Metropolitan Community Church (MCC). I believe another is the Unitarian. There are others. Plus there are Jewish congregations that oppose this thinking.

    So what happens to THEIR "deeply held religious beliefs"? Do they get overridden by the beliefs of this one segment, to the exclusion of all others? This is what our country's Founder's were trying to avoid, with a secular nation, and spare us the religious conflicts that had torn Europe apart.

    But now we're being told that our US Constitution is a religion-based document, that's conforms to Evangelical Christianity. Do you agree with that?


    I am a member of a church which recently, after taking many small steps first, has approved same-sex marriage. It is the Episcopal Church.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 11, 2016 3:49 AM GMT
    robbaker saidIf i were the pastor i would allow you queens to get married because I'll know sooner or later the divorce rate will just go up high and hallelujah mucho dineroicon_rolleyes.gif
    Will you shut up, you're repugnanticon_mad.gif
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    Feb 12, 2016 1:01 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    dayumm saidAfter Indiana, the GOPhers have shifted to make sure to get these Religious Freedumb bills passed in states where Big Corporate won't raise enough of a fit to matter. Resource extraction and Big Ag industries aren't going to threaten to shift business elsewhere. And it's safe to assume the Super Bowls and Final Fours aren't coming anytime soon.

    I'd love to say Georgia isn't right behind them. But corporate pressure is probably the reason prior attempts haven't passed already.

    Two of South Dakota's biggest outside money makers, aside from its own internal ag industry, are Mount Rushmore, and (ready for it) the annual Sturgis motorcycle rally. I've been to both (the rally numerous times). And I can vouch that the people who go to both of them aren't going to shed any tears over the loss of gay rights.

    Well, I'll never be returning. Admittedly as much because of age as anything. But I did buy a motorcycle in Watertown, SD, and I'd like to have attended the rally one more time. But no more. If they don't want me, then the feeling is mutual. Gays have to learn to express themselves with their wallets.


    Watertown is nowhere near Sturgis. Was it on your way? icon_question.gif


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    Feb 12, 2016 2:28 AM GMT
    robbaker saidYou gays can't win all the time icon_rolleyes.gif



    You realize you're the biggest faggot here, right?
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    Feb 12, 2016 3:49 AM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    Watertown is nowhere near Sturgis. Was it on your way? icon_question.gif

    I lived in North Dakota. I owned a Moto Guzzi motorcycle when I moved there. Watertown had the nearest Guzzi dealer, right off I-29. So I went there for major warranty service.

    But yes, I also passed through 2 years earlier, on the way to Sturgis, in 1997, on my way back to Seattle where I lived at the time. I'd bought the Guzzi new in Fort Lauderdale on a trip down here. I then rode it home to Seattle solo, stopping at Sturgis.

    But I detoured into Watertown, for my first major scheduled service, at a little over 3,000 miles. A lovely married couple owned the dealership, and lived in rooms right above it. While my bike was being serviced his wife washed my clothes in their washer & dryer (I only had what my saddlebags could carry). And we all had pizza delivered for lunch in their kitchen. Talk about hospitality and personalized service!

    So when I moved to North Dakota and I wanted to buy a knobby tire dual-sport bike, because of all the dirt farm roads there, I decided to give them my business. They were about 200 miles south of the farming town where I was living. But kinda the way things can be up there, not like in the big city.

    I sold the Guzzi, which had gone to Sturgis several more times, and got a Kawasaki sport touring bike. It made the annual August trek to the rally until I moved down to Florida.

    Do you know Watertown? It's famous for a native artist celebrity, Terry Redlin. He did some of those snowy Christmas paintings with the twinkly nighttime lighting effects, and other outdoor scenes. The Redlin Art Center, a grand enormous structure, is visible along I-29. Sadly he had to be institutionalized with Alzheimer's, not sure what his status is today.

    Redlin Art Center as seen from I-29:

    Redlin-Art-Center_zpsp90fxpxb.jpg
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    Feb 12, 2016 6:19 PM GMT
    robbaker said
    Radd said
    robbaker saidYou gays can't win all the time icon_rolleyes.gif



    You realize you're the biggest faggot here, right?
    no the biggest faggot is you with all them steroids in youicon_rolleyes.gif

    Don't forget that he also had a nose job!!
  • FRE0

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    Feb 12, 2016 7:59 PM GMT
    In the U.S. church membership and attendance is higher than in other prosperous countries. No doubt a significant reason for that is that we have done a reasonably good of keeping church and state separate as envisioned by our Founding Fathers and is required by the Constitution whereas in other countries there has been a history of entanglement between church and state to the detriment of both and to the citizens.

    When religious people try to have elements of their religion enacted in law or try to evade legal proscriptions against discrimination they are courting disfavor which results in a decline of membership in religious organizations. Obviously they are too blind to see that.
  • tazzari

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    Feb 12, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    I was astonished to read that this was a GOP sponsored bill! Not.

    But christianity it's NOT. Real Christianity makes a demanding call on everyone to love, to accept and to get out there and do some good. These idiots make it into a closed club of smug, holier-than-thou paranoids.
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    Feb 13, 2016 4:04 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl said
    Watertown is nowhere near Sturgis. Was it on your way? icon_question.gif



    Do you know Watertown? It's famous for a native artist celebrity, Terry Redlin. He did some of those snowy Christmas paintings with the twinkly nighttime lighting effects, and other outdoor scenes. The Redlin Art Center, a grand enormous structure, is visible along I-29. Sadly he had to be institutionalized with Alzheimer's, not sure what his status is today.

    Redlin Art Center as seen from I-29:

    Redlin-Art-Center_zpsp90fxpxb.jpg


    Yes I know a bit about the place. I always thought the Redlin stuff was sort of corny and commercial.




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    Feb 13, 2016 11:18 AM GMT
    robbaker saidWhat more do you all want just go somewhere else to get married icon_rolleyes.gifsooner or later you married queens will be getting into catfights over some young boy and calling for a divorce icon_rolleyes.gif


    Its called universal suffrage. We are all in this together. Why should straight people get all the pity of being married?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 13, 2016 2:21 PM GMT
    It is tragically sad that South Dakota has allowed itself to fall under the control of the narrow minded bible thumping screwballsicon_sad.gif
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    Feb 13, 2016 2:54 PM GMT
    desertmuscl said
    Art_Deco said
    desertmuscl said
    Watertown is nowhere near Sturgis. Was it on your way? icon_question.gif

    Do you know Watertown? It's famous for a native artist celebrity, Terry Redlin. He did some of those snowy Christmas paintings with the twinkly nighttime lighting effects, and other outdoor scenes. The Redlin Art Center, a grand enormous structure, is visible along I-29. Sadly he had to be institutionalized with Alzheimer's, not sure what his status is today.

    Redlin Art Center as seen from I-29:

    Redlin-Art-Center_zpsp90fxpxb.jpg

    Yes I know a bit about the place. I always thought the Redlin stuff was sort of corny and commercial.

    I agree with you about Redlin. But you can see what his popularity has built.

    In some ways Norman Rockwell was once considered in a similar way. Nothing more than a magazine illustrator, most notably for the "Saturday Evening Post".

    As a kid in the winter my family (mother, father, sister & me) would go out for a late Sunday afternoon restaurant lunch. Usually to a kind of place you don't see much anymore, with little electric lamps on the table at each booth, and a cocktail cart coming around from the bar. But my Father knew the owner, who always served us personally.

    My parents had "highballs" while my sister & I had Shirley Temples. My Father & I had to wear a coat and tie, my Mother & sister dresses. And no hamburgers for us kids, we were expected to eat proper meals, though kid-sized.

    And above each booth on the wall was an illuminated Norman Rockwell original. The owner loved him, and collected many, all over his place, not repros, but actual oils. Although many restaurant patrons found them rather corny & cheap, as did my parents, perhaps not up to the standards of the rest of the place.

    I've wondered what happened to that collection, and if his heirs had any idea of the value those works would one day attain. But I still remember those Rockwell's staring down at us as we ate.

    Perhaps Redlin's stuff will go the same way, who knows.