Democrat primaries: Soviet style - a corrupt party rotten to the core UPDATE: Sanders supporters starting to see it's rigged against them

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    Feb 13, 2016 6:17 PM GMT
    Sanders has exposed the Democratic Party for what it really has become, corrupt and rotten to the core. He has done the country a service even though the pros know he is unelectable, not even able to manage his own personal finances, and spouts a healthcare plan that even liberal economists say defies economics.

    Yet he has become a threat because the Party's chosen one has turned out to be a disaster, so the Party exposed itself for all to see.

    Corruption is generally not limited to specifics. If you'll steal someone's watch, you would also steal their jewelry. With this in mind, even traditional Democrats should look at a variety of Party positions, such as opposing voter ID requirements. The real reason the Party opposes it is it makes their corrupt ways just a bit more difficult.

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    Your name is Hillary Clinton. You run for president. Six different dead-locked precincts tossing tie-breaking coins all fall your way. Per Las Vegas odds makers, six consecutive appearances of heads-or-tails is a statistical probability of 1.5%. That's 64-to-1 against, an exceedingly lucky outcome.

    For Democrats, there is no hand-wringing, no equivalent "hanging chads" controversy. Unlike Bush/Gore in 2000 in Florida, there are no recounts demanded, no cadre of lawyers dispatched to Iowa, no lawsuits filed. Mrs. Clinton claimed victory before all the results were tallied, ultimately managing a microscopic victory of four delegates. That's people, not percentage points. (Does she know something the rest of us don't?)

    In New Hampshire, Bernie Sanders – an avowed Socialist who took his blushing bride to Russia for their honeymoon – gave Madame a real shellacking by 22 percent. A Donald Trump-like primary performance. That translates into 15 delegates for him to her 9. However, despite the Iowa virtual tie and the clear New Hampshire win, it turns out today that Bernie's been burnt. That's because in the all-important delegate count – the convention electors who ultimately select the Democrats' presidential nominee – she leads him going into Clinton-friendly South Carolina 394 to 44.
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    ...the Democrats' modern election "process" is ironically autocratic, not democratic. Super-delegates may ensure a unified decision-making process, but it is top-down and based upon the party's stamp of approval rather than a generalized expression of whom the voters want. In this way, a top-down process is antithetical to the traditional bottom-up process the Founding Fathers intended: common people choosing informed electors who in turn choose the nominee.

    But it's worse than that. Super-delegates beholden to no one – save the party itself – make this nominating process inherently corrupt, based upon backroom dealing completely removed from the American people's influence. Case and point is New Hampshire. With two uncommitted, six of the eight super-delegates support Hillary. That evens the scale in the contest to a tie of 15 apiece. Indeed, months before a single vote was cast, Hillary started the race with 15% of the total she needs.

    Simply put, Hillary wins even though she loses. Super-delegates prove that the fix is in; the creeping Clinton coronation is actually in full swing. Likewise, the MSM-moderated debates are a complete sham – extended political commercials peppered with softball questions. In the final analysis, how is this at all different from Russia when Vladimir Putin is the only name on the ballot?

    Apparently untroubled [and completely clueless], debate handshaking Bernie comfortably plays his role in this "Democratic" farce that guarantees Hillary the nomination.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/02/democrat_primaries_soviet_style.html
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    Feb 13, 2016 6:24 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidOnce all the Bernie fans wake up to the fact that Hillary has been working with the DNC all along to rig the primaries in her favor, are those Bernie fans gonna vote for Hillary in the general in November?

    I think now. icon_wink.gif

    I think it will turn out to be Biden, but with the Party's image in shambles, the party stain will hurt his chances.
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    Feb 13, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell if Hillary is still standing in November, it will likely mean we do NOT have anymore FBI as all the agents will have resigned in protest.

    I think it's gotten so big with the reported 150 FBI agents on the case, that she won't be standing in November. If no indictment, with the combination of resignations, whistle blowing, and Congressional hearings, all open to the public, even Obama and Lynch would not want that. Their reputations and legacy would be shredded and the Party damaged even more. And for someone they don't like? A pardon is much cleaner, but even that would be messy if it included all her aids.
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    Feb 13, 2016 10:04 PM GMT
    I also don't think many of the RJ libs will be commenting on this thread. How can any self-respecting person defend the corruption that has become the core of the Democratic Party?
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    Feb 15, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
    Sanders supporters discovering superdelegates rigged against them

    It took them long enough! Perhaps naively believing the all the fine rhetoric Democrats use to mask their embrace of crony capitalism, the young supporters of Bernie Sanders assumed that by getting a 22% margin of victory in New Hampshire their guy would win a majority of delegates. I have warned them, and now they are catching on. Daniel Strauss reports in Politico:

    Pro-Sanders threads on Reddit have been burning up with calls for action, with some supporters even reaching out to superdelegates (who are typically Democratic governors, members of Congress, and top state and national party leaders) to lobby them on the Vermont senator’s behalf. Progressive groups are also taking a stand: There are currently two petition campaigns designed to urge superdelegates to reflect the popular vote, rather than the sentiment of party elites.

    In one of them, MoveOn.org activists are targeting undecided and committed Hillary Clinton superdelegates with a clear message: wait until all the votes are counted before throwing support behind a candidate. (snip)

    A second petition by three progressive groups asks superdelegates to "announce that in the event of a close race, you’ll align yourself with regular voters - not party elites." That petition, which grew by 10,000 signatures between Friday and Sunday, had 171,010 signatures Sunday, with a stated goal of 175,000.

    This will not end well for the Democratic Party. Superdelegates have a long and sordid history, and there is a lot of money behind them. Keep agitating, kids. And then when you get screwed, stay home in November. That’ll teach ’em!

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/02/sanders_supporters_discovering_superdelegates_rigged_against_them.html
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    Feb 15, 2016 6:39 PM GMT
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    Feb 15, 2016 6:55 PM GMT
    Never before has a "leading" candidate had such disturbingly LOW enthusiasm.

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    Feb 15, 2016 6:56 PM GMT
    Trump and Bernie are exposing the Establishment on both sides. The Establishment wants to take away the will of the voters in order to nominate their prefered candidate.

    I have to say the Democrats are the greater sinner in this aspect. The DNC started debates late, had only a few, and scheduled them at terrible times in order to lessen the exposure for opponents. When Hillary was losing New Hampshire badly, Debbie came to her rescue and scheduled a debate right before the state. Luckily, Sanders used his leverage to gain additional debates.

    Super-delegates are another massive problem. Debbie admitted that they were created to counter grassroot activist candidates.

    Hillary is also using a loophole to work with a Super Pac led by David Brock.

    On the Republican side, talk of a contested convention, Fox breaking their pack to treat Trump fairly, Jeb flirting with not supporting Trump if he were to win the nomination (after of course, with being on board with Trump signing a pledge to support the eventual nominee) are also concerning.
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    Feb 15, 2016 7:06 PM GMT
    Jasonfest saidTrump and Bernie are exposing the Establishment on both sides. The Establishment wants to take away the will of the voters in order to nominate their prefered candidate.

    I have to say the Democrats are the greater sinner in this aspect. The DNC started debates late, had only a few, and scheduled them at terrible times in order to lessen the exposure for opponents. When Hillary was losing New Hampshire badly, Debbie came to her rescue and scheduled a debate right before the state. Luckily, Sanders used his leverage to gain additional debates.

    Super-delegates are another massive problem. Debbie admitted that they were created to counter grassroot activist candidates.

    Hillary is also using a loophole to work with a Super Pac led by David Brock.

    On the Republican side, talk of a contested convention, Fox breaking their pack to treat Trump fairly, Jeb flirting with not supporting Trump if he were to win the nomination (after of course, with being on board with Trump signing a pledge to support the eventual nominee) are also concerning.

    I think that's a fair assessment, but there are two key differences between the Republicans and Democrats. If the Republicans have a contested, or brokered, convention, it will be by the rules that are well known. If individuals go back on their word as to supporting the nominee, that is an individual matter. The issue on the Democratic side is organizational, established to disenfranchise voters.
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    Feb 15, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
    The democratic party is one big mafia operation, where "the little people" are promised a share of the booty if they help the candidates win.

    But they've always gotten screwed. Seven years of Obama, and democrat lives still suck. No booty. No hope and change. Middle class continues to shrink. Now the people want Bernie. But the superdelegates are saying Hillary. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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    Feb 17, 2016 7:31 PM GMT
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    Bears repeating.

    Clinton 394 delegates
    Sanders 44 delegates

    Two points: 1) Sanders won't be the nominee, 2) The Democrat Party is corrupt
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    Feb 17, 2016 7:43 PM GMT
    Same thing happened with Obama. It worked out in the end.icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 17, 2016 7:55 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidSame thing happened with Obama. It worked out in the end.icon_smile.gif

    It's true that Clinton also led in the superdelegate race in the 2008 presidential cycle and eventually lost to Barack Obama. But Clinton's support is far greater than what it was around this time in 2007.

    Back then, AP found that 169 superdelegates were for Clinton; Obama had 63 of the 90 percent they contacted in December 2007. That's a nearly 3-to-1 advantage. Her lead this year is 45 to 1.

    http://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders
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    Feb 17, 2016 7:59 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidSame thing happened with Obama. It worked out in the end.icon_smile.gif

    It's true that Clinton also led in the superdelegate race in the 2008 presidential cycle and eventually lost to Barack Obama. But Clinton's support is far greater than what it was around this time in 2007.

    Back then, AP found that 169 superdelegates were for Clinton; Obama had 63 of the 90 percent they contacted in December 2007. That's a nearly 3-to-1 advantage. Her lead this year is 45 to 1.

    http://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders

    The superdelegates will change their votes, or else their supporters will vote them out of office.
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    Feb 18, 2016 1:14 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    socalfitness said
    HottJoe saidSame thing happened with Obama. It worked out in the end.icon_smile.gif

    It's true that Clinton also led in the superdelegate race in the 2008 presidential cycle and eventually lost to Barack Obama. But Clinton's support is far greater than what it was around this time in 2007.

    Back then, AP found that 169 superdelegates were for Clinton; Obama had 63 of the 90 percent they contacted in December 2007. That's a nearly 3-to-1 advantage. Her lead this year is 45 to 1.

    http://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders

    The superdelegates will change their votes, or else their supporters will vote them out of office.


    Joe, WAKE UP!!! The superdelegates are not voted into any office. They are DNC cronies picked because they are political hacks.

    Bernie will NEVER be allowed to get the DNC nomination. If Hillary has to drop out of the race (due to indictment or "health reasons") the DNC will hand pick the nominee (Biden).


    Sanders supporters will not support Clinton. If the DNC betrays them then they might as well hand the oval office over to Trump.... Sanders will either run as a third party candidate, or his supporters will cast write in votes for him... And who knows? If we went by popular vote alone, he'd beat Clinton and Trump. He'd win right now even if people had to write his name in.

    Have courage, we can have a revolution with Bernie!!!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 18, 2016 3:25 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe said
    southbeach1500 said
    HottJoe saidThe superdelegates will change their votes, or else their supporters will vote them out of office.


    Joe, WAKE UP!!! The superdelegates are not voted into any office. They are DNC cronies picked because they are political hacks.

    Bernie will NEVER be allowed to get the DNC nomination. If Hillary has to drop out of the race (due to indictment or "health reasons") the DNC will hand pick the nominee (Biden).


    Sanders supporters will not support Clinton. If the DNC betrays them then they might as well hand the oval office over to Trump.... Sanders will either run as a third party candidate, or his supporters will cast write in votes for him... And who knows? If we went by popular vote alone, he'd beat Clinton and Trump. He'd win right now even if people had to write his name in.

    Have courage, we can have a revolution with Bernie!!!icon_biggrin.gif

    Oh, yes, I know that the Sanders supporters won't vote for Hillary. Especially once they realize that Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie. icon_razz.gif

    Correct.