Last chance Republicans

  • badbug

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    Feb 14, 2016 4:40 AM GMT
    If the republicans lose this election, they will be pretty finished as a national party unless they make some radical changes. But that might not be possible since only the most radical elements vote in primaries in non election years.

    Every year there are less old white people and more hispanics that they're doing a wonderful job alienating. With politics becoming more and more of a "team" game, with strong feelings of identity attached to who you vote for and who you don't, they're destroying their brand with latinos. They've destroyed it with african americans.

    I am not sure if religiousity is going down in america , it is in every other western nation but compared to every other western nation, america is a theocracy so who knows. Every year the demographics get worse and worse for republicans and the new ultra conservative style and rhetoric is only going to make being more inclusive a death sentence for politicians not running in the general. To get to the general, they have to slash and burn worse than ever. I can't really see how you untrain an electorate off of extreme views.


    So really, i think this election is probably the last chance for a republican president maybe for decades. That's the nice thing about all my moronic right wingers, they're too emotionally invested to really see it. They were shocked that Romney lost because they just didn't want to believe. The party can't change course because it has conditioned itself to extremism that it denies is even exists. The party faithful view everyone else as actually being extreme, so how can they change? They see the most boring bland centre right moron like Hillary as a far left idealogue. That kind of denial and lack of self-awareness is going to make change unlikely or impossible. You can't demonize your opponents and then start adopting their policies, no matter how many speeches you give about "hearing the american people". The party elite thought they would moderate themselves after the McCain election, it only got more radical. When John Boehner is too moderate there really isn't anywhere to go.


    Anyways, i find it interesting. It's another reason i don't understand the blind faith a few of you RJers have in this party. A) the policies are terrible but B) they are also suicidal politically, making for a double whammy of sheer idiocy.





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    Feb 14, 2016 4:43 AM GMT
    Look at the diversity of the Republican candidates versus the diversity of the Democratic candidates.

    Another foreigner obsessed with our politics. Don't quit your day job.
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    Feb 14, 2016 4:49 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidLook at the diversity of the Republican candidates versus the diversity of the Democratic candidates.

    Another foreigner obsessed with our politics. Don't quit your day job.

    That does not really mean anything. There are also gay republicans but that does not make republicans a gay friendly party. The first person of colour to be the POTUS is a Democrat so your point about racial diversity is without much ground.
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    Feb 14, 2016 4:52 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidLook at the diversity of the Republican candidates versus the diversity of the Democratic candidates.

    Another foreigner obsessed with our politics. Don't quit your day job.

    That does not really mean anything. There are also gay republicans but that does not make republicans a gay friendly party. The first person of colour to be the POTUS is a Democrat so your point about racial diversity is without much ground.

    Over a period of time it has an impact. I see this from the perspective of looking at the past several decades and seeing the change today.
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    Feb 16, 2016 5:41 AM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    socalfitness saidLook at the diversity of the Republican candidates versus the diversity of the Democratic candidates.

    Another foreigner obsessed with our politics. Don't quit your day job.

    That does not really mean anything. There are also gay republicans but that does not make republicans a gay friendly party. The first person of colour to be the POTUS is a Democrat so your point about racial diversity is without much ground.

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 16, 2016 1:10 PM GMT
    badbug said If the republicans lose this election, they will be pretty finished as a national party unless they make some radical changes. But that might not be possible since only the most radical elements vote in primaries in non election years.

    Every year there are less old white people and more hispanics that they're doing a wonderful job alienating. With politics becoming more and more of a "team" game, with strong feelings of identity attached to who you vote for and who you don't, they're destroying their brand with latinos. They've destroyed it with african americans.

    I am not sure if religiousity is going down in america , it is in every other western nation but compared to every other western nation, america is a theocracy so who knows. Every year the demographics get worse and worse for republicans and the new ultra conservative style and rhetoric is only going to make being more inclusive a death sentence for politicians not running in the general. To get to the general, they have to slash and burn worse than ever. I can't really see how you untrain an electorate off of extreme views.


    So really, i think this election is probably the last chance for a republican president maybe for decades. That's the nice thing about all my moronic right wingers, they're too emotionally invested to really see it. They were shocked that Romney lost because they just didn't want to believe. The party can't change course because it has conditioned itself to extremism that it denies is even exists. The party faithful view everyone else as actually being extreme, so how can they change? They see the most boring bland centre right moron like Hillary as a far left idealogue. That kind of denial and lack of self-awareness is going to make change unlikely or impossible. You can't demonize your opponents and then start adopting their policies, no matter how many speeches you give about "hearing the american people". The party elite thought they would moderate themselves after the McCain election, it only got more radical. When John Boehner is too moderate there really isn't anywhere to go.


    Anyways, i find it interesting. It's another reason i don't understand the blind faith a few of you RJers have in this party. A) the policies are terrible but B) they are also suicidal politically, making for a double whammy of sheer idiocy.





    I don't know about the Hispanics because many of them are quite conservative especially the Hispanics in Texas. But that is the Hispanic population that immigrated here legally and worked with the system. However, the republicans need to rid themselves of the narrow minded bible thumping screwballs or they will go downhill.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 16, 2016 4:17 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidLook at the diversity of the Republican candidates versus the diversity of the Democratic candidates.

    Another foreigner obsessed with our politics. Don't quit your day job.

    The diversity of candidates does not match the electorate or translate to added votes. In fact, very few Latinos support Cruz or Rubio, because Cruz and Rubio are throwing their respective communities under the bus, in order to attract anti-immigration white republicans. Same could be said for Ben Carson or Jindal, or even Fiorina with respect to women. They fall over backwards to appeal to a population that probably would rather have Trump, Kasich or Bush, anyway. It's mind boggling that they're totally and completely selling out and alienating their own communities in the process, but that's what the polls clearly show.

    I don't get it. Sanders supports the common people, and I think on both sides, people are starting to recognize that he's the only candidate on either side who isn't paid for by special interests. Everyone has to answer to their campaign contributors, but Sanders is the only one whose contributions come from average people, to the tune of about $27 a pop. That means Sanders only has to answer to the to the people who actually make up the general electorate. Seems like a no-brainer that Sanders is the only candidate who's by the people and for the people.

    If RoadBikeRob and others like him don't see it, then everything they've ever said is a lie, because they're not for the people, they're for DC and Wall Street.icon_idea.gif
  • badbug

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    Feb 17, 2016 12:07 AM GMT
    I don't know about the Hispanics because many of them are quite conservative especially the Hispanics in Texas


    Exit polls do!

    Bush won them. Mccain and Romney didn't.

    I am pretty sure Trump might not. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 17, 2016 7:50 PM GMT
    might not lead to a lot of things getting done but leave congress to the republicans and the presidency to the dems
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 19, 2016 6:59 PM GMT
    badbug saidI don't know about the Hispanics because many of them are quite conservative especially the Hispanics in Texas


    Exit polls do!

    Bush won them. Mccain and Romney didn't.

    I am pretty sure Trump might not. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Exit polls only sample a tiny fraction of a voting population. So I don't trust everything these polls say. Latinos in Texas are very conservative and very religious and many of them tend to vote republican despite what all these polls falsely claim. All you know these pollsters could be questioning Hispanics who are not legally in this country and ignoring the legal Hispanic immigrants just to jack up sagging democratic poll numbers. Anything is possible.
  • badbug

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    Feb 20, 2016 12:31 AM GMT
    But we know McCain and Romney lost and we know the Republican side is full of anti immigrant rhetoric.

    I don't know why it seems far fetched that they are losing Latino support daily. It could be some conspiracy or it could be that calling immigrants rapists doesn't play very well.