Kesha sobs as judge rules singer must continue working with producer who allegedly raped her in 2006

  • metta

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    Feb 19, 2016 9:36 PM GMT
    Kesha sobs as judge rules singer must continue working with producer who allegedly raped her in 2006


    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/kesha-sobs-judge-denies-sony-records-injunction-request-article-1.2537490
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    Feb 19, 2016 9:47 PM GMT
    Boo hoo. *
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 19, 2016 10:38 PM GMT
    Once again the US courts prove themselves to be the only thing sleazier than the music industry.

    Rape is difficult to discuss. I've posted on RJ about my own experiences and then deleted them when I became very uncomfortable with putting it out there. I can totally understand why most rape victims never come forward and how much courage it really takes.

    It damages you, gives you almost irrational fears. I can't even go to NYC without reliving the trauma. It's like when Louise says she won't go to Texas in "Thelma and Louise." I know what that's like. It really just destroys you in many untold ways.

    I like Kesha, but I doubt her career will last. She's right that Sony will bury her, and that she will not be free to record music elsewhere because of her contract. That's standard procedure. Her career is most likely over, and it ended in tears and heartbreak.
  • metta

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    Feb 19, 2016 10:50 PM GMT
    ^
    I'm sorry about what you went through Joe. Hugs to you!
  • Tawrich

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    Feb 21, 2016 4:58 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidOnce again the US courts prove themselves to be the only thing sleazier than the music industry.

    Rape is difficult to discuss. I've posted on RJ about my own experiences and then deleted them when I became very uncomfortable with putting it out there. I can totally understand why most rape victims never come forward and how much courage it really takes.

    It damages you, gives you almost irrational fears. I can't even go to NYC without reliving the trauma. It's like when Louise says she won't go to Texas in "Thelma and Louise." I know what that's like. It really just destroys you in many untold ways.

    I like Kesha, but I doubt her career will last. She's right that Sony will bury her, and that she will not be free to record music elsewhere because of her contract. That's standard procedure. Her career is most likely over, and it ended in tears and heartbreak.


    Holy crap dude did you manage to get help?
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    Feb 21, 2016 5:36 AM GMT
    This is a tough story. If she was raped, it would be traumatizing to be forced to work with the guy (and see him reap a financial windfall from your work). Sony argues it is all made up and just used for extortion. I am curious why Kesha didn't sue the promoter for rape. The stigma and embarrassment may have stopped her from seeking relief. If proven to be true, she could have at least recovered monetarily from Sony and the guy.

    Either way, it really looks bad for everyone involved.
  • Fireworkz

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    Feb 21, 2016 11:34 PM GMT
    I like Kesha.
    it is ridiculous that the music industry can keep you enslaved for so long
    What if eveyone had to commit to working for a company for a minimum nimber of years.
    There should be some facility for artists to at least transfer to other labels.
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    Feb 21, 2016 11:57 PM GMT
    She should walk. Not worth the emotional distress. Her career ended a long time ago after her one hit wonder. She comes from an affluent family, so it's not like she'll be begging for change next to the freeway offramp.
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    Feb 22, 2016 6:08 AM GMT
    * On February 19, 2016, New York Supreme Court Justice Shirley Kornreich ruled against Kesha's request for a preliminary injunction that would release her from her contract with Kemosabe Records, a label owned by Lukasz Gottwald, also known as Dr. Luke, under the umbrella of Sony Music Entertainment.[99][100][108][109] The decision was made after the judge told her lawyer, Mark Geragos, that he was essentially "asking the court to decimate a contract that was heavily negotiated and typical for the industry".[110] According to the defense, Gottwald had already invested $60 million in her career and also offered to allow the singer to fulfill her contract and record without his involvement. The judge also cited what she felt was vagueness in Kesha's counterclaims, referring to the lack of documentation or hospital records supporting the alleged attack.[109]Before her legal battle against Dr. Luke, in 2011, Kesha had previously sworn under oath that the producer had never assaulted or drugged her in a deposition for a lawsuit against her former managers at DAS Communications, a key piece of evidence that played a role in the court ruling in favor of the defense.[111]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesha
  • Fireworkz

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    Feb 22, 2016 11:27 AM GMT
    xrichx saidShe should walk. Not worth the emotional distress. Her career ended a long time ago after her one hit wonder. She comes from an affluent family, so it's not like she'll be begging for change next to the freeway offramp.


    She had about 4 hits so hardly a one hit wonder.
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    Feb 22, 2016 7:16 PM GMT
    bon_pan said* On February 19, 2016, New York Supreme Court Justice Shirley Kornreich ruled against Kesha's request for a preliminary injunction that would release her from her contract with Kemosabe Records, a label owned by Lukasz Gottwald, also known as Dr. Luke, under the umbrella of Sony Music Entertainment.[99][100][108][109] The decision was made after the judge told her lawyer, Mark Geragos, that he was essentially "asking the court to decimate a contract that was heavily negotiated and typical for the industry".[110] According to the defense, Gottwald had already invested $60 million in her career and also offered to allow the singer to fulfill her contract and record without his involvement. The judge also cited what she felt was vagueness in Kesha's counterclaims, referring to the lack of documentation or hospital records supporting the alleged attack.[109]Before her legal battle against Dr. Luke, in 2011, Kesha had previously sworn under oath that the producer had never assaulted or drugged her in a deposition for a lawsuit against her former managers at DAS Communications, a key piece of evidence that played a role in the court ruling in favor of the defense.[111]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesha

    That says a lot.
    The thing is, a lot of musicians regret their contract. They don't realize that being a recording artist is hard.
    Most likely artists, like Keisha, just has to complete her recording until like usually 6 albums. That's standard. Taylor Swift has to complete 6 albums too with Big Machine Records.
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    Feb 22, 2016 7:36 PM GMT
    Instead of the pure as the lightly fallen snow white ensemble, she should have tried one of those Mr. Rogers inspired fluffy sweaters...

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    Oh, darn, that didn't work for them either...
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    Feb 22, 2016 7:57 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidOnce again the US courts prove themselves to be the only thing sleazier than the music industry.

    Rape is difficult to discuss. I've posted on RJ about my own experiences and then deleted them when I became very uncomfortable with putting it out there. I can totally understand why most rape victims never come forward and how much courage it really takes.

    It damages you, gives you almost irrational fears. I can't even go to NYC without reliving the trauma. It's like when Louise says she won't go to Texas in "Thelma and Louise." I know what that's like. It really just destroys you in many untold ways.

    I like Kesha, but I doubt her career will last. She's right that Sony will bury her, and that she will not be free to record music elsewhere because of her contract. That's standard procedure. Her career is most likely over, and it ended in tears and heartbreak.


    People are so negative. If she wants a career she can still make one. She is under the contract and still has ties to people in the industry other than Dr. Luke. She can still make a record (actually six records) under Sony, and I doubt the industry will purposely slander her attempts of being successful just to satisfy Luke's ego and waste TONS of industry money.

    Regarding rape, yes it is a difficult thing but if we locked up everyone accused of rape, or broke contracts because someone stated there was abuse without concrete evidence, innocent people would be taken down by people looking to capitalize off of that trust. I have dealt with physical and sexual abuse myself, so I can fairly say man up and stop being a wuss; if you want justice then tape the shit happening, if you can't do that then move on and find another opportunity in life instead of throwing a pity party.

    Also she signed a six album recording contract which no one in their right mind should ever do.

    Regarding your sexual past, if you can't even go to NYC anymore it means you haven't healed, and sorry just because you have been sexually abused doesn't mean that you're damaged forever: you're perpetuating that belief. If it damaged you that much and you can't go to that city it is because you haven't grown from the experience enough and it is still commemorating your feelings of dis-empowerment. Do the emotional work required and you actually will be more powerful in the future than you would have ever been if you weren't raped.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 22, 2016 8:44 PM GMT
    TO23 said
    HottJoe saidOnce again the US courts prove themselves to be the only thing sleazier than the music industry.

    Rape is difficult to discuss. I've posted on RJ about my own experiences and then deleted them when I became very uncomfortable with putting it out there. I can totally understand why most rape victims never come forward and how much courage it really takes.

    It damages you, gives you almost irrational fears. I can't even go to NYC without reliving the trauma. It's like when Louise says she won't go to Texas in "Thelma and Louise." I know what that's like. It really just destroys you in many untold ways.

    I like Kesha, but I doubt her career will last. She's right that Sony will bury her, and that she will not be free to record music elsewhere because of her contract. That's standard procedure. Her career is most likely over, and it ended in tears and heartbreak.


    People are so negative. If she wants a career she can still make one. She is under the contract and still has ties to people in the industry other than Dr. Luke. She can still make a record (actually six records) under Sony, and I doubt the industry will purposely slander her attempts of being successful just to satisfy Luke's ego and waste TONS of industry money.

    Regarding rape, yes it is a difficult thing but if we locked up everyone accused of rape, or broke contracts because someone stated there was abuse without concrete evidence, innocent people would be taken down by people looking to capitalize off of that trust. I have dealt with physical and sexual abuse myself, so I can fairly say man up and stop being a wuss; if you want justice then tape the shit happening, if you can't do that then move on and find another opportunity in life instead of throwing a pity party.

    Also she signed a six album recording contract which no one in their right mind should ever do.

    Regarding your sexual past, if you can't even go to NYC anymore it means you haven't healed, and sorry just because you have been sexually abused doesn't mean that you're damaged forever: you're perpetuating that belief. If it damaged you that much and you can't go to that city it is because you haven't grown from the experience enough and it is still commemorating your feelings of dis-empowerment. Do the emotional work required and you actually will be more powerful in the future than you would have ever been if you weren't raped.

    Prince changed his name to get out of a contract. Actually, he just started going by "the artist formally known as..." It's tough, because she'd have to make six albums, and Sony would have to green light all of them before she could legally record with anyone else. Sony really does have the power to bury her. The odds that Kesha will ever have another single on the radio are so marginal, (and that would be the case no matter what, since most people have a short shelf-life in that industry) that they'd probably make a movie about it if she were to succeed. "What's Love Got to Do With It, Part II," perhaps?

    As for my experiences in NYC, they did have a lasting impact on my life, in that they threw me off the course I was on, and now I'm just not leading the life I'd originally envisioned for myself. However, I'm now doing things with my life that are more ambitious than my original aspirations anyway, and I have some pretty lofty goals still left to accomplish.

    I doubt I'll ever see things the way I saw them before my experience. I'm not sure if I'm damaged, but there's no one I can talk to about it who doesn't blame me or make me feel weak. I don't want pity, or lectures on what I should be doing about it. I don't want to go to NYC and be irrationally unnerved by a boogieman that most people never have to face.

    I always regret telling people about my experience, and it's always a reminder that I don't want people to know what happened to me, because it was so awful, degrading, and humiliating. I've never told my parents, for instance. It would hurt them, and that in turn would hurt me. Wish I never had to experience that shame, but I didn't see it coming.

    Your response just makes me regret admitting what happened to me. The only reason I even brought it up is because I read about similar things that have happened to other people, mostly women, and I want to be able speak out about it, not because I see myself as damaged, but to assure them that I know it takes immense courage to come forward.

    Trouble is, talking about it makes people line up to pity me, or tell me I'm damaged. Honestly, it just makes it worse.


  • Fireworkz

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    Feb 23, 2016 1:49 PM GMT
    Joe thanks for sharing. I'm not pitying you here. I think these things can heal but i'm sure they also come back.
    It's hard dealing with trauma and you need to talk to the right person about it.

    I have a friend who started having flashbacks of being sexually abused by her father. It was really tough for her as she had repressed them as a child. She's a strong woman and it knocked her for a loop for a year. It was hard to know how to support her.
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    Feb 24, 2016 12:29 AM GMT
    The rape accusation is laughable. The accused was never charged!

    She's crying because her career is in the shitter, not because of an alleged rape that happened when she was freakin' 18! Sony has even offered to give her a different producer ... oh, read the story. The case is cut and dry, and as transparent as Kesha's lack of talent.