Top GOP Pollster: Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal

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    Feb 25, 2016 4:27 AM GMT
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    https://theintercept.com/2016/02/24/top-gop-pollster-young-americans-are-terrifyingly-liberal/
    According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal — so liberal that “the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government” should “frighten every business and political leader” and “excite activists for Sanders and, to a lesser degree, Clinton activists.”

    ...Many fewer young people like and respect Republican politicians, with just 9 percent choosing Donald Trump...

    Admiration of Sanders is especially strong among the younger half of respondents, with 40 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds saying he’s the political figure they most like and respect.

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  • musclmed

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    Feb 25, 2016 4:31 AM GMT
    Well if Frank Luntz is right and the future is Socialism, the people most worried should be those who depend on a monthly government check.

    Productive people will just move. It has happened many times in history.

    So I think the OP should be real worried.
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    Feb 25, 2016 4:37 AM GMT
    Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal? Hasn't this always been the case? Usually maturity solves the problem.

    Yes I agree many productive people move to where their success is least penalized.






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    Feb 25, 2016 1:50 PM GMT
    I wouldn't say young Americans are "terrifyingly liberal." I'd say, however, that many (but not all) young Americans are terrifyingly uninformed and, to some extent, terrifyingly intellectually lazy. I think that will change (hopefully) in time as they mature. Also, this may well be attributable to our increasing reliance on the Internet--we've become independent research-lazy, simply relying on what's available on the Internet without independently confirming or validating its accuracy.
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    To confirmation/internet stuff, that's a problem media wide and I was in publishing many years so I'm real aware of this. In fact one of my last potential jobs that I declined was a position to destroy jobs by finding new, more efficient ways of getting info (I had previously been selected and worked as the prototype for investigating that--this was for implementing it). But I couldn't see myself being happy by destroying the livelihoods of others so I just left. (While investigating I was thinking in apparently a non administrative fashion that this would enhance our abilities, not destroy our numbers.) And after I left--I did stay in touch for a while so I know what happened--that whole thing that I used to be so proud to be part of turned to crap. A lot of people trying to hold on got hurt. Even those fucking their colleagues and fucking their underlings got fucked. I did not want to be a part of that.

    Part of the media problem is profit taking budgeting and that everyone is using the same damned information be it correct or bullshit. Newspapers have combined while staffing has been decimated and the independent "news" has become a mine field of the untrained plus all the political bullshit. It's even difficult for a careful, dare I say, analytical mind to sort through it. Someone who puts in no effort, be they kids from Schenectady or adults from southbeach can be lost to the whims of propaganda.

    Even without those forces at play, I'd imagine that someone intellectually lazy earlier in life tends similar later. The kids who cheated earlier in life are the adults who cheat later. The kids who lied or who were more honest remain themselves as well. Stripes don't change to spots. Or does anyone here think the likes of southbeach or shitcal or that new fuckface weren't also a douchebags as kids?

    I'm still either friends or friendly with many who I grew up with, people in my life for more than 50 years, and it's real obvious to all of us that when we are together the dynamics are just as they have always been. I'm still an overly reflective moody fuck, the guy who was anal retentive as a kid still can't get a stick out of his ass, the guy who sold everyone firecrackers and later pot did the best in business as an adult. We are who we are as we are who we were. Those patterns set very early.

    Is there some varying along the way, of course. But even at that I think people not only come back to themselves, but each time looking back with their eyes wider. That can help or hurt ya, especially in our oldest years when even those who were not reflective throughout life are forced to review.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_age
    According to Erik Erikson’s "Stages of Psychosocial Development”, the human personality is developed in a series of eight stages that take place from the time of birth and continue on throughout an individual’s complete life. He characterises old age as a period of "Integrity vs. Despair", during which a person focuses on reflecting back on his life. Those who are unsuccessful during this phase will feel that their life has been wasted and will experience many regrets. The individual will be left with feelings of bitterness and despair. Those who feel proud of their accomplishments will feel a sense of integrity. Successfully completing this phase means looking back with few regrets and a general feeling of satisfaction. These individuals will attain wisdom, even when confronting death

    Interestingly (to me at least, some of you won't like it) we see at that stage of development, when most people see themselves for who they truly are, be they satisfied with themselves, with how they treated others, with how they lived their lives or be they regretful of their thoughts and deeds, that here they trend liberal.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/172439/party-identification-varies-widely-across-age-spectrum.aspx
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    So to the maturity comment, I'd not confuse maturity with the selfishness of a stage in life where people are accumulating just for themselves. Because as we reach our later years, as we mature further, we stop being so concerned for ourselves, for our lives which are coming to an end, and we start being more empathically concerned for the lives of others who will continue living after we are gone.

    Thus youth feels the Bern.

    To the idiots who think that socialistic democracy means being lazy in industry, should ever you pull your heads out of Ayn's Ass, you might notice that even at his age Bernie still loves working.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 25, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI wouldn't say young Americans are "terrifyingly liberal." I'd say, however, that many (but not all) young Americans are terrifyingly uninformed and, to some extent, terrifyingly intellectually lazy. I think that will change (hopefully) in time as they mature. Also, this may well be attributable to our increasing reliance on the Internet--we've become independent research-lazy, simply relying on what's available on the Internet without independently confirming or validating its accuracy.

    Your comments in another thread comparing Trump to Sanders make me think you're one of the terrifyingly misinformed voters.... You said Sanders supporters are dismissive, but maybe that's because you can't tell the difference between a hero and a crook.icon_confused.gif
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    DOMINUS saidI wouldn't say young Americans are "terrifyingly liberal." I'd say, however, that many (but not all) young Americans are terrifyingly uninformed and, to some extent, terrifyingly intellectually lazy. I think that will change (hopefully) in time as they mature. Also, this may well be attributable to our increasing reliance on the Internet--we've become independent research-lazy, simply relying on what's available on the Internet without independently confirming or validating its accuracy.

    Valid point. Taking the liberty of quoting this also in:
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    Feb 25, 2016 4:54 PM GMT
    maybe its a backlash to a big glob of useless retired peeps being "terrifyingly conservative".

  • HottJoe

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    Feb 25, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
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    DOMINUS saidI wouldn't say young Americans are "terrifyingly liberal." I'd say, however, that many (but not all) young Americans are terrifyingly uninformed and, to some extent, terrifyingly intellectually lazy. I think that will change (hopefully) in time as they mature. Also, this may well be attributable to our increasing reliance on the Internet--we've become independent research-lazy, simply relying on what's available on the Internet without independently confirming or validating its accuracy.

    Valid point. Taking the liberty of quoting this also in:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4181839/

    The fact that you're a Trump supporter should make you the very definition of what Dominus is talking about. However, Dominus apparently knows nothing about Sanders, which he's made painfully obvious, so he doesn't have credibility on informed voting.
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    Feb 26, 2016 6:41 PM GMT
    "Terrifyingly?" No. "Appallingly?" Maybe. "Disappointingly?" Definitely.

    Interesting to see that Trump beats Billary in both age groups, per the first chart, and doubly so. And, Dominus called it right.
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    Feb 26, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
    robbaker saidTheir vote doesn't matter anyways along with black lives matters.Donald trump is going to squash them like the cockroaches they are icon_lol.gif
    The only cockroach around here is your ugly, bald, penis shaped head with the empty space between your ears and the jaws that just cannot stop flapping in the breezeicon_evil.gif
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    Feb 27, 2016 2:41 PM GMT
    MGINSD said"Terrifyingly?" No. "Appallingly?" Maybe. "Disappointingly?" Definitely.

    Interesting to see that Trump beats Billary in both age groups, per the first chart, and doubly so. And, Dominus called it right.


    Interesting to see that ~65% of 18-21 chose some Democrat (also ~65% for the 18-26). So I'm not sure I see your point, it seems they were asked to choose any one person, and 2/3 chose a Democrat (or Bernie).
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    Feb 27, 2016 7:47 PM GMT
    Haha! - another thing to make the Repubs wet their panties!
    The poor frightened Repubs spend their lives in a constant state of fear and loathing.

    I almost feel sorry for them.

    And Hillary's big win tonight will take their fear level to maximum freak out!

    Good times!

  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 27, 2016 8:02 PM GMT
    The_Polaris saidHaha! - another thing to make the Repubs wet their panties!
    The poor frightened Repubs spend their lives in a constant state of fear and loathing.

    I almost feel sorry for them.

    And Hillary's big win tonight will take their fear level to maximum freak out!

    Good times!

    You keep dreaming about the hapless Hillary ho winning because Bernie is eventually going to knock that incompetent, crooked whore right off her pedestal. Bernie is the only democrat who can defeat the bombastic blowhard Donald Trump. Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the Donald because he will expose her for what she is and that is an opportunistic, incompetent, power hungry whore. Trump will verbally tear her to pieces.
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    The_Polaris saidHaha! - another thing to make the Repubs wet their panties!
    The poor frightened Repubs spend their lives in a constant state of fear and loathing.

    I almost feel sorry for them.

    And Hillary's big win tonight will take their fear level to maximum freak out!

    Good times!

    You keep dreaming about the hapless Hillary ho winning because Bernie is eventually going to knock that incompetent, crooked whore right off her pedestal. Bernie is the only democrat who can defeat the bombastic blowhard Donald Trump. Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the Donald because he will expose her for what she is and that is an opportunistic, incompetent, power hungry whore. Trump will verbally tear her to pieces.




    HAHA! - Hillary is going to crush every bone in Bernie's body in the upcoming state contests!

    She's going to destroy his campaign and send Bernie send home to Vermont in a body cast.

    And in the fall - Hillary is going to crush Trump and Trump will lose in the biggest GOP defeat since Goldwater in 1964!

    ENJOY!
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 27, 2016 9:43 PM GMT
    The_Polaris said
    roadbikeRob said
    The_Polaris saidHaha! - another thing to make the Repubs wet their panties!
    The poor frightened Repubs spend their lives in a constant state of fear and loathing.

    I almost feel sorry for them.

    And Hillary's big win tonight will take their fear level to maximum freak out!

    Good times!

    You keep dreaming about the hapless Hillary ho winning because Bernie is eventually going to knock that incompetent, crooked whore right off her pedestal. Bernie is the only democrat who can defeat the bombastic blowhard Donald Trump. Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the Donald because he will expose her for what she is and that is an opportunistic, incompetent, power hungry whore. Trump will verbally tear her to pieces.




    HAHA! - Hillary is going to crush every bone in Bernie's body in the upcoming state contests!

    She's going to destroy his campaign and send Bernie send home to Vermont in a body cast.

    And in the fall - Hillary is going to crush Trump and Trump will lose in the biggest GOP defeat since Goldwater in 1964!

    ENJOY!

    I'll cast a write-in vote for Bernie Sanders if it comes to it. I won't vote for Clinton. She's a superpredator.
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    HottJoe said
    The_Polaris said
    roadbikeRob said
    The_Polaris saidHaha! - another thing to make the Repubs wet their panties!
    The poor frightened Repubs spend their lives in a constant state of fear and loathing.

    I almost feel sorry for them.

    And Hillary's big win tonight will take their fear level to maximum freak out!

    Good times!

    You keep dreaming about the hapless Hillary ho winning because Bernie is eventually going to knock that incompetent, crooked whore right off her pedestal. Bernie is the only democrat who can defeat the bombastic blowhard Donald Trump. Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the Donald because he will expose her for what she is and that is an opportunistic, incompetent, power hungry whore. Trump will verbally tear her to pieces.




    HAHA! - Hillary is going to crush every bone in Bernie's body in the upcoming state contests!

    She's going to destroy his campaign and send Bernie send home to Vermont in a body cast.

    And in the fall - Hillary is going to crush Trump and Trump will lose in the biggest GOP defeat since Goldwater in 1964!

    ENJOY!

    I'll cast a write-in vote for Bernie Sanders if it comes to it. I won't vote for Clinton. She's a superpredator.




    Smart move!
    Let's Nader another Repub into the White House!
    Bush/Cheney wasn't that bad, right?!

    NO THANKS to that idea.

    As if Bernie using the words: "sick", "violent" and "sociopathic" right before he VOTED FOR THE CRIME BILL was somehow better than Hillary using the word "superpredator" when she gave a speech about the bill.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-superpredator_us_56bd00b9e4b08ffac124806b
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 27, 2016 11:17 PM GMT
    ^That's such a distortion. First, you're not defending the indefensible Clinton, you're trying to throw Sanders under the bus by misconstruing his words to sink him down to her level. Sounds like a Clinton tactic, actually. She tried that two-faced approach against him in the debates. No one believes her, either.

    Sanders was speaking was against mass incarceration, but acknowledged that there was need for small for prisons for actual sociopaths. He wasn't calling at risk youth superpredators. To say he used that word to describe black youth is yellow journalism.

    The bill was evidently part of an omnibus package, and Sanders basically warned about the consequences that have come to pass.

    Keep spinning. I'm not voting for Clinton.
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    HottJoe said^That's such a distortion. First, you're not defending the indefensible Clinton, you're trying to throw Sanders under the bus by misconstruing his words to sink him down to her level. Sounds like a Clinton tactic, actually. She tried that two-faced approach against him in the debates. No one believes her, either.

    Sanders was speaking was against mass incarceration, but acknowledged that there was need for small for prisons for actual sociopaths. He wasn't calling at risk youth superpredators. To say he used that word to describe black youth is yellow journalism.

    The bill was evidently part of an omnibus package, and Sanders basically warned about the consequences that have come to pass.

    Keep spinning. I'm not voting for Clinton.



    I don't give a damn who you vote for.
    Hillary is going to win and doesn't need your vote.

    But, you're the one who's spinning.
    And you obviously didn't bother to read the link.

    Hillary did NOT call "at risk youth" superpredators.
    That's a LIE.
    She called "gang members" who prey on at risk youth superpredators.
    Which you'd know if you were familiar with her full quote.

    I'm sure that Bernie was referring to gang members when he used the words "sick" "violent" "sociopaths" too.
    You see, I'm not interested in attacking Bernie's character.
    I'll leave those kind of toxic Karl Rove tactics to you Bernie supporters.
    I'm only pointing out the dishonesty distortion and double standard of the desperate Bernie supporters "superpredator" lies.

    Enjoy the election results tonight.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 28, 2016 12:56 AM GMT
    The_Polaris said
    HottJoe said^That's such a distortion. First, you're not defending the indefensible Clinton, you're trying to throw Sanders under the bus by misconstruing his words to sink him down to her level. Sounds like a Clinton tactic, actually. She tried that two-faced approach against him in the debates. No one believes her, either.

    Sanders was speaking was against mass incarceration, but acknowledged that there was need for small for prisons for actual sociopaths. He wasn't calling at risk youth superpredators. To say he used that word to describe black youth is yellow journalism.

    The bill was evidently part of an omnibus package, and Sanders basically warned about the consequences that have come to pass.

    Keep spinning. I'm not voting for Clinton.



    I don't give a damn who you vote for.
    Hillary is going to win and doesn't need your vote.

    But, you're the one who's spinning.
    And you obviously didn't bother to read the link.

    Hillary did NOT call "at risk youth" superpredators.
    That's a LIE.
    She called "gang members" who prey on at risk youth superpredators.
    Which you'd know if you were familiar with her full quote.

    I'm sure that Bernie was referring to gang members when he used the words "sick" "violent" "sociopaths" too.
    You see, I'm not interested in attacking Bernie's character.
    I'll leave those kind of toxic Karl Rove tactics to you Bernie supporters.
    I'm only pointing out the dishonesty distortion and double standard of the desperate Bernie supporters "superpredator" lies.

    Enjoy the election results tonight.

    I read the article and watched Bernie's comments and Clinton's comments.

    To say superpredator wasn't racially loaded would be like saying the word thug isn't racially loaded. I guess you think the mass incarceration of the black community for non violent crimes, like drug addiction, is justified, since they all must be gangs of superpredators?

    You say you're not attacking Sanders, but you're attacking his supporters for not getting behind your despicable candidate. Did you hear her trying to answer whether she's ever told a lie??? You're promoting someone who is the most corrupt candidate in the whole election, and you think you're taking the high ground?

    At least republicans know that they're republicans.
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    Feb 28, 2016 2:12 AM GMT
    The_Polaris said
    HottJoe said^That's such a distortion. First, you're not defending the indefensible Clinton, you're trying to throw Sanders under the bus by misconstruing his words to sink him down to her level. Sounds like a Clinton tactic, actually. She tried that two-faced approach against him in the debates. No one believes her, either.

    Sanders was speaking was against mass incarceration, but acknowledged that there was need for small for prisons for actual sociopaths. He wasn't calling at risk youth superpredators. To say he used that word to describe black youth is yellow journalism.

    The bill was evidently part of an omnibus package, and Sanders basically warned about the consequences that have come to pass.

    Keep spinning. I'm not voting for Clinton.



    I don't give a damn who you vote for.
    Hillary is going to win and doesn't need your vote.

    But, you're the one who's spinning.
    And you obviously didn't bother to read the link.

    Hillary did NOT call "at risk youth" superpredators.
    That's a LIE.
    She called "gang members" who prey on at risk youth superpredators.
    Which you'd know if you were familiar with her full quote.

    I'm sure that Bernie was referring to gang members when he used the words "sick" "violent" "sociopaths" too.
    You see, I'm not interested in attacking Bernie's character.
    I'll leave those kind of toxic Karl Rove tactics to you Bernie supporters.
    I'm only pointing out the dishonesty distortion and double standard of the desperate Bernie supporters "superpredator" lies.

    Enjoy the election results tonight.





    Ty for the truth blast! I knew I'd read about this shit Bernie said.
    Too bad bernie crazies like hot joe hate Hillary so fucking much that they think its cool too lie their azzes off.
    Joe sounds like a republican with his fox shit!!!
    Maybe he's a GOP troll?????!!!
  • Relajado

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    Feb 28, 2016 5:08 AM GMT
    My generation and the others after us hopefully are liberal. We are for the people amd awakee. We have the internet and don't rely on right wing media interest for our information!

    Rasical conservatives be terrified. The future is here and it is us.
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    Relajado saidMy generation and the others after us hopefully are liberal. We are for the people and awake. We have the internet and don't rely on right wing media interest for our information!

    Radical conservatives be terrified. The future is here and it is us.


    “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it” - George Santayana

    p.s. I fixed your typos too ;-)
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    Feb 28, 2016 4:27 PM GMT
    I think this is fake but still amusing. No one can be this sheltered.
    If it's not fake she just got a wake-up call. She can fill out the form shown below...

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=529_1456169782

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