A rat in classroom

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    Feb 26, 2016 2:44 AM GMT
    Hello guys

    This topic is a little disagreeable because it is about the rats, indeed they are harmful and disgusting, I at least have it repulsion and phobia.

    But one thing is the impression and other is be cruel, well result that in my university we have in Methodology class and a little rat entered there, then the girls shouted and running away from it and some boys too, I stayed in my sit with some chill, but the school conserje got with a shovel to gut it and a guy when it cornered, came near for crush it, finally the animal died but with some classmates we found it a cruel act. icon_sad.gif

    In my opinion, If I would be alone, I had taken off but I wouldn't killed it for much hate, disgust or fear. None justify the animal cruelty.

    What would do you have done?
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    Feb 26, 2016 3:26 AM GMT
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    We get rats in Florida. Not just the one from southbeach. Usually not a big deal. I actually think they're kind of cute. They have cute faces. What makes them ugly is the bare tail. If they had a furry tail people would like them better.

    For years in south Florida I had a rat relocation program. Whenever they'd come around I'd just live capture them and then release them along the river. That worked well for years. But then at the housing crash with all the abandoned and ill-cared for properties the populations seemed to explode and it became so bad that I had to start killing. I hated that. Very much not my nature. But relocating wasn't stopping the problem whereas in the past live trapping did control it well enough.

    My worst experience was one time the trap did not kill the rat, just damaged him badly. So I had to take him out of his misery. I put him a bag so I wouldn't have to see his cute little face and ran him over with the car. I still feel horrible about that but relocating stopped working and I couldn't risk them damaging the house. What was I gonna do, bring him to the vet so the trap could kill him later? Sometimes modern life sucks.

    Your little school mouse though should have been caught and relocated. That would have been a better lesson for the class.
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    Feb 26, 2016 3:43 AM GMT
    Hey, for your words and emotive answer, you sound like an animal lover, and it shows you have respect and compassion.

    You have reason, the rat of the classrom should not be so killed, better would be moved it.
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    Feb 26, 2016 3:48 AM GMT
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    Killing rats and mice is unnecessary and cruel. They're just trying to survive like everyone else. We developed a mice problem where I'm currently living. I bought the live mouse trap above and it works better than any mouse trap hands-down. You just have to plug the holes where they're entering from.
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    Feb 26, 2016 3:53 AM GMT
    I have no qualms killing a rat. Mice are another thing. I just shoo them with a broom.
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    Feb 26, 2016 4:28 AM GMT
    Sprinkle peppermint oil on some paper towels and tuck them around your place. They hate that smell.
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    Feb 26, 2016 4:44 AM GMT
    I worked in the medical school when I first started working at UC San Diego. I won't tell you some of the things that I saw; some things don't need to be shared.
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    Feb 26, 2016 4:46 AM GMT
    hairyandym saidSprinkle peppermint oil on some paper towels and tuck them around your place. They hate that smell.



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    Feb 26, 2016 5:26 AM GMT
    calima said
    What would do you have done?

    Well, a rat can be an aggressive & dangerous animal when cornered. Although it can't do you a lot of physical harm, like tear off a limb or something, its bite can potentially give you a very serious infection, as with a lot of small wild animals. I wasn't there, so I can't really judge what might have been a better alternative.

    A story with a different ending: in 1971 I was in my enlisted barracks in Fort Knox, Kentucky. As a sergeant I had a private room. I was just getting to sleep when I heard some odd scratching sounds. I turned the light on and they stopped. Shortly after I turned it off I heard them again.

    I believed they were coming from a paper bag on the floor near my desk, that had some food scraps from a "Bob's Big Boy" restaurant where I had eaten earlier, and brought back some leftovers I then ate in my room. I should have thrown them out but I was tired. I turned on the light again and looked inside the bag.

    I didn't see anything, but then I noticed a chew hole at the bottom of the bag. As I picked up the bag to examine the hole a mouse jumped out of the hole and ran for cover. I couldn't find him.

    OK, I'm gonna trap this guy. I put on some pants, then I turned out the light again and got onto the bed. Sure enough I heard the mouse reenter the bag. He musta been mighty hungry.

    I turned on the room light, then quickly closed the hole in the paper bag with my hand, and folded the bag down on top. I carried it outside, where nearby was a woods. Maybe the mouse's home.

    I opened the bag and laid it down sideways, and saw the mouse run away. I threw the bag in a dumpster (which I should have done earlier), and went back to my room and bed. I supposed the mouse had somehow entered our building, and squeezed under my door, which had a lot of clearance.

    No more leaving food garbage laying around until the next day. Almost like living under field sanitation procedures.
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    Feb 26, 2016 5:50 AM GMT
    The word "rat" is a metaphor describing the people we disagree with and have trouble identifying with.

    In that context, it's best to separate ourselves from those people and let them continue to live. Killing them only furthers the ideals of violence against people we disagree with, which is inherently wrong.

    Live and let live.
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    Feb 26, 2016 6:52 AM GMT
    We don't have rats here, but the mice and squirrels are incredibly destructive. They cannot be allowed to exist inside the buildings. I could tell pages of horror stories, but one or two exemplary snapshots:

    Scrubbing out the compacted mouse shit that filled all the gaps in the circuit boards of my lab equipment that I had stored in a shed for a year...

    Disassembling my car to get the dead mice out of the air filters, the intake manifold, the heater core... Just because I didn't drive it much for a month or two. Then I started commuting to the city, and all those fucking mice died inside the spaces of the car and started to smell...

    So, I have three cats, and cat doors so they can go anywhere they want. No more mice. Although the cats do tend to leave gut piles on the door mat, and sometimes on the bathroom mat - nasty to discover with ones bare toes.

    But when I have to personally deal with a mouse, or a lizard, or a rattlesnake, or whatever, I usually just scoop it up and carry it out to the edge of the woods. For a while I lived in an apartment at the edge of a desert town. Frequently, when I opened the door to go to work, there would be a rattlesnake sunning itself on my door mat. I just started keeping a broom by the door to sweep it out of my way. BTW, rattlesnakes also keep the mice down. But for some reason, the peacocks seem to keep the rattlesnakes away.
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    Feb 26, 2016 2:01 PM GMT
    Lizards are very common here. I hate them.

    If you don't want to kill, get a cat. A cat will kill it for you.
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    Feb 26, 2016 2:42 PM GMT
    ricky1987 saidLizards are very common here. I hate them.

    If you don't want to kill, get a cat. A cat will kill it for you.

    We have small lizards everywhere in South Florida, apparently of the gecko family. But I'm happy to see them - harmless to humans and other animals, don't eat the plants, keep the insect population down.

    Making them very beneficial, in my view. Despite our year-round warm weather, this part of South Florida is the most insect-free place I've ever lived in the US, especially of those that fly. I virtually never have insect hits on my car windshield, nor have them flying into the house.

    Cats have been used for rodent control since the time of the ancient Egyptians. And they still remain a standard fixture on modern US farms.

    The main complaint I have with cats here is that they kill our local ducklings, since ducks make their nests on the ground, and also sleep on the dry ground, not being tree dwellers. Ducks have their place in the Florida ecosystem's balance, but domestic cats are not native to this region, and alter that balance.

    And I also wonder if cats kill the beneficial geckos, if only for "sport", but I've never seen that. Fortunately geckos move surprisingly fast, using evasive moves that would make a US football running back envious, and they hide well, plus they're good climbers on almost any vertical surface.

    Hell, they climb the outside walls of our condo to reach our second floor patio, where I welcome their eradicating insects in our mini-garden of window boxes & pots, where we grow cooking herbs and flowers. Thanks to them we never have to apply insecticide to stuff we're gonna eat, unless aphids develop.
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    Feb 26, 2016 4:51 PM GMT
    It was cruel and unnecessary , they should have catch it and released it outside ...
    That what is wrong with people now days ....kill , kill ,kill it so sad .
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    Feb 26, 2016 6:16 PM GMT
    A rat is a pest that needs to be eradicated, lest it spread diseases, like hantavirus, and even the plague in extreme infestations. I've killed one or two on my property in the 13 years I've lived here, along with pesky rattlesnakes, and will kill any more that encroach beyond their bounds, swiftly (read, humanely) of course. I'm surprised that the OP's school was in such a condition that a rat would even enter a classroom. I'd call the local Health Dep't to investigate, too.

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    Feb 26, 2016 8:19 PM GMT
    FUNNY that some lame retards here cry about rats yet they eat all the cruelty filled chicken, pork, beef, fish etc and the ones who say rats should be killed are viewed as cruel Hahahahaha

    you seriously are stupid
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    Feb 26, 2016 9:10 PM GMT
    Bonaparts saidFUNNY that some lame retards here cry about rats yet they eat all the cruelty filled chicken, pork, beef, fish etc and the ones who say rats should be killed are viewed as cruel Hahahahaha
    you seriously are stupid

    Or they use products made by companies that use animals to test the safety of the product; what happens when you drink it, put it in your eye, etc.
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    Feb 27, 2016 1:42 AM GMT
    It was a rat. Vermin. Carrier of disease.

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    Feb 27, 2016 6:50 AM GMT
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    Feb 27, 2016 8:51 PM GMT
    I hear you, OP.

    Your phobia of rats (and "disgust" for them) didn't prepare you for the feelings of empathy you felt when faced with its death. You realized the rat was experiencing the same fear you felt.

    We humans are complex. Or cognitively dissonant. Having feeling for the prey/victim while being charged with its messy death.

    I grew up on a farm. That cow, who we raised from baby, chased in the field, milked, petted, scratched, was going to be in our belly someday. I was present for many of the killings. Every one was a "necessary" killing: she was old, she had a fatal injury, she succumbed to complications while giving birth. I understood and approved, even while I mourned the "pet."

    But I killed a ground squirrel once, with assistance from the dogs. They were able to corner it, and past me was its escape route. Now, these rodents are vermin, and keeping their numbers in check is the job of the dogs, cats and people on the farm. I knew my job as it ran toward me. I timed my stomp on its head perfectly.

    I immediately felt remorse, sickened by the squish and snap of its skull. It died terrified, hunted to exhaustion, staring at gleaming eyes and flashing teeth.

    I never completely recovered from the experience. I've had to kill since then: a squirrel caught by the dog, a cat that had been poisoned...small mercy killings. But never again as a hunter.
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    MGINSD saidA rat is a pest that needs to be eradicated, lest it spread diseases, like hantavirus, and even the plague in extreme infestations. I've killed one or two on my property in the 13 years I've lived here, along with pesky rattlesnakes, and will kill any more that encroach beyond their bounds, swiftly (read, humanely) of course. I'm surprised that the OP's school was in such a condition that a rat would even enter a classroom. I'd call the local Health Dep't to investigate, too.


    Exactly can be said for repuke trolls such as yourself.

    Reading your above, "and will kill any more that encroach beyond their bounds..." sounds exactly like what the repukes say about immigrants and Gays.

    There is NO excuse for killing an animal. There are Have-a-heart traps. Catch and release. Plug up the holes where they are getting in!
    Since living here in the Virginia house half of the year, it's amazing to me how many mice, rats, and other rodents actually live in the rural woods down here.
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    Feb 28, 2016 4:00 AM GMT
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    I wouldn't killed it for much hate, disgust or fear. None justify the animal cruelty.

    What would do you have done?


    When I'm not hurting them, I'm killing them.
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    Feb 28, 2016 4:18 AM GMT
    When I was a little boy, I wanted to hunt like my dad, so I begged Santa Claus for a BB gun for Christmas. It was a cold winter's morning when I unwrapped my BB gun and tore off outside. I couldn't wait to shoot something.....anything. So I spied some sparrows in the cedar tree in our backyard, my dad showed me how to take a steady aim at one of them and I pulled the trigger. I was so excited when it fell to the ground. But then as I ran over, I saw it struggling and thrashing around in the grass. Maybe that part of my intellect wasn't fully developed until that moment but it wasn't until I saw that bird suffering that it truly hit me that creature was a living, breathing thing that felt pain just like me. I started crying for my dad to help it but he just laughed and told me I had to shoot it again to "put it out of it's misery." I threw the gun down and refused. He then took the heel of his boot and smashed the bird's head into the ground. It was a very hard lesson to learn but I never picked up that gun again and I never killed another animal (except out of compassion) again. Death and dying are a part of life but it's also precious. I don't believe in killing things simply because they inconvenience us. And I've learned the hard way to keep people who kill with ease at great distance. There's something wrong with them.