Health care in America

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    Feb 28, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
    Why is the health care system so screwed up in America ?
    Whey are the health care cost so high compared to other countries ?
    Why are Americans so negligent about having health insurance ?
  • tazzari

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    Feb 28, 2016 5:35 PM GMT
    One word: profits.
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    Feb 28, 2016 6:07 PM GMT
    neffa saidWhy is the health care system so screwed up in America ?
    Because they want us to die.
  • bro4bro

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    Feb 28, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
    Screwed up compared to where?
    A friend of mine was living in London and broke his leg playing rugby.
    The doctors there used screws to set his leg but apparently they didn't do a good job. After a couple months the screws started working their way out. It was quite annoying and painful.
    He tried to go back and get it fixed but they told him since it was not an emergency, it would be months before he could get an appointment.
    He waited until he was back in the US and got it taken care of in one day.
    So... screwed up compared to where?
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    Feb 28, 2016 8:08 PM GMT
    tazzari saidOne word: profits.


    second word: greed
  • Fireworkz

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    Feb 28, 2016 8:16 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidScrewed up compared to where?
    A friend of mine was living in London and broke his leg playing rugby.
    The doctors there used screws to set his leg but apparently they didn't do a good job. After a couple months the screws started working their way out. It was quite annoying and painful.
    He tried to go back and get it fixed but they told him since it was not an emergency, it would be months before he could get an appointment.
    He waited until he was back in the US and got it taken care of in one day.
    So... screwed up compared to where?



    That's not representative of care in the UK. And it was free. He didn't have to pay.
  • bro4bro

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    Feb 28, 2016 8:22 PM GMT
    It's the only story from a personal acquaintance I have about health care in the UK, so I don't have anything else to go on. I did see the red bumps in his leg where the screws were poking out, and I don't think he would have waited to get them removed if he didn't have to.

    Seems to me he got what he paid for.

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    Feb 28, 2016 9:00 PM GMT

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    Feb 28, 2016 9:13 PM GMT
    Sam27 saidThat is life, nothing is free on this planet. Just air and water. lol



    well, water USED TO BE FREE, until a capitalist decided to charge money and make profits icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Total Recall reminds us what would happen if air to breath was a commodity much like water has become today icon_idea.gif



  • tazzari

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    Feb 28, 2016 9:18 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidScrewed up compared to where?
    A friend of mine was living in London and broke his leg playing rugby.
    The doctors there used screws to set his leg but apparently they didn't do a good job. After a couple months the screws started working their way out. It was quite annoying and painful.
    He tried to go back and get it fixed but they told him since it was not an emergency, it would be months before he could get an appointment.
    He waited until he was back in the US and got it taken care of in one day.
    So... screwed up compared to where?


    Part of the problem will have been the lack of doctors. I hav5e friends in the UK - no problems: good work done that didn't bankrupt anyone or need ridiculous insurance premiums (though you can get supplemental insurance in some areas). One had a triple bypass, excellent pre-op care, very through post-op care - and no debt of increase in premiums.

    I've also seen medical care in Germany and Austria: very, very good, and even though we paid cash (two emerency operations), costs were a fraction of what they would have been in the US.
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    Feb 28, 2016 10:46 PM GMT
    Americans want their freedom. They want to be free to fall deeply into debt from medical care. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 01, 2016 5:59 PM GMT
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    neffa saidWhy is the health care system so screwed up in America ?
    Whey are the health care cost so high compared to other countries ?
    Why are Americans so negligent about having health insurance ?


    Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Since we have Obamacare, the 30 to 45 million uninsured now have health insurance (Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats all told us it would be so).

    Since we have Obamacare, everyone is paying $2,500 less per year in health insurance costs (Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Democrats all told us it would be so).

    Since we have Obamacare, and it is now required by Obama and the Democrats that everyone purchase health insurance from a private insurance company or sign up for "single payer" from the government, everyone has followed these orders issued by Obama and the Democrats (haven't they?).



    I totally agree with you ,Obamacare has helped a lot of people who couldn't afford heath insurance before , but what you don't seem to understand is that they still cannot afford the deductible they have to give upfront with each doctor visit , ER , visit or test done ..
    Health insurance companies are the culprit , as well as doctors and hospitals , the price they are charging is 10 time more than any countries in Europe or even Australia or Canada .
    Obama did so great during his presidency , i am afraid about a change of party with the elections coming up , Republicans never have done anything about Healthcare .
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    Mar 01, 2016 6:06 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidScrewed up compared to where?
    A friend of mine was living in London and broke his leg playing rugby.
    The doctors there used screws to set his leg but apparently they didn't do a good job. After a couple months the screws started working their way out. It was quite annoying and painful.
    He tried to go back and get it fixed but they told him since it was not an emergency, it would be months before he could get an appointment.
    He waited until he was back in the US and got it taken care of in one day.
    So... screwed up compared to where?


    How much your friend had to pay to have his leg fixed in the U.S ? , that is the question ..
    As an example :
    Cost of care for a broken leg in Australia 50 Australian dollars .
    Cost for the same in the U.S 15000 US dollars ( you will have to pay your deductible first , then your health insurance will cover the rest )
    Why ?
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    Mar 01, 2016 6:09 PM GMT
    ELNathB saidTotal Recall reminds us what would happen if air to breath was a commodity much like water has become today icon_idea.gif



    It already is.
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/asia/china-canadian-company-selling-clean-air/
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    Mar 01, 2016 8:20 PM GMT
    There is an ugly wave of profiteering overtaking US healthcare. Too many Wall Street swindlers have taken over the industry. The mission of these companies is now solely to fleece customers, not to deliver health care. They take it as far as they can before public outrage gets big enough to force the government to step in. Don't forget, before Obamacare, the health insurance industry had descended into pure fraud. "Oh, you got sick? Too bad - we're cancelling your policy. Thanks for all those premium payments over the years though! Bye now." The pharmaceutical and hospital industries are currently on the same path.

    Just the latest example - less than an hour ago, I got home with a prescription that cost me $43. Well, that sounds pretty cheap as these things go! But the contents are about one cent worth of various salts and a disposable plastic cup. There is no way this thing should cost more than $1.

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    Mar 01, 2016 8:24 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    ELNathB saidTotal Recall reminds us what would happen if air to breath was a commodity much like water has become today icon_idea.gif



    It already is.
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/asia/china-canadian-company-selling-clean-air/


    I have to buy several compressed gasses in 200 cubic-foot tanks, for my lab. A couple of years ago, I went to get a new cylinder of purified air, and they told me that I now need a license to buy it! All kinds of explosive and poisonous gases you can just walk in and buy, but air needs a license! (Because it's considered a "pharmaceutical.")
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    Mar 01, 2016 9:27 PM GMT
    nothing seems to be able to contain increasing medical costs and the thing is Americans are not getting exceptional care.

    quite a few 1st world countries have something else going and we should evaluate these systems instead of re inventing the wheel.

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    Mar 01, 2016 10:47 PM GMT
    bro4bro saidScrewed up compared to where?
    A friend of mine was living in London and broke his leg playing rugby.
    The doctors there used screws to set his leg but apparently they didn't do a good job. After a couple months the screws started working their way out. It was quite annoying and painful.
    He tried to go back and get it fixed but they told him since it was not an emergency, it would be months before he could get an appointment.
    He waited until he was back in the US and got it taken care of in one day.
    So... screwed up compared to where?

    One bad screw up, and you took no time in generalization.
    Lot more people are using the same health care, and doing quite good without spending a fortune. I know a guy who is HIV positive, and all his medications are paid by public health insurance. From what he told me, those medications are worth at least 1500 Euros/month.
    I doubt with his salary he would have been able to afford that medication. Do you even fathom that how many such people would be there, who without public healthcare wouldn't be able to afford similar treatments?
  • Fireworkz

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    Mar 02, 2016 10:19 AM GMT
    bro4bro saidIt's the only story from a personal acquaintance I have about health care in the UK, so I don't have anything else to go on. I did see the red bumps in his leg where the screws were poking out, and I don't think he would have waited to get them removed if he didn't have to.

    Seems to me he got what he paid for.




    Cancer care is very good in the UK. If you have cancer you get an immediate appointment within 2 weeks. The level of education and support is very good and it is free.

    I've had private healthcare and NHS (free) health care and the actual care are the same. The only difference is when you pay for it the customer service is a little better. They spend more time with you but they sometimes also send you for unnecessary check ups at your expense.
  • Fireworkz

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    Mar 02, 2016 10:28 AM GMT
    neffa said
    bro4bro saidScrewed up compared to where?
    A friend of mine was living in London and broke his leg playing rugby.
    The doctors there used screws to set his leg but apparently they didn't do a good job. After a couple months the screws started working their way out. It was quite annoying and painful.
    He tried to go back and get it fixed but they told him since it was not an emergency, it would be months before he could get an appointment.
    He waited until he was back in the US and got it taken care of in one day.
    So... screwed up compared to where?


    How much your friend had to pay to have his leg fixed in the U.S ? , that is the question ..
    As an example :
    Cost of care for a broken leg in Australia 50 Australian dollars .
    Cost for the same in the U.S 15000 US dollars ( you will have to pay your deductible first , then your health insurance will cover the rest )
    Why ?


    Wow 15,000 dollars! I could probably fly in a medical doctor from a cheap country, buy the necessary materials and hire out a surgery room for an hour for less than $2,000
    or fly to a country with cheap healthcare.


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    Mar 02, 2016 10:49 AM GMT
    I live in India. Last year my sister suffered a brain stroke 9 days after the baby delivery. The hospital bill after staying over a month would have costed us a fortune and had it not been for my brother-in-law's excellent benefit system from work which paid for all her medical bills, it would have left a hole in our pocket.

    We met many people in intensive care unit, everyone with many horror stories. One of whom includes a mother whose 11 year old son's leg got infected to the point that doctors advised many operation and eventually had to amputate his leg. The parents first paid all their savings to cover his medical care, then the mom had to sell her jewellery and finally they had to put their house on mortgage to pay for it.

    Even a flawed universal health care system is better than one where only rich to upper middle class can afford access to medical care.

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    Mar 02, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
    Fireworkz said... Cost of care for a broken leg in Australia 50 Australian dollars. Cost for the same in the U.S 15000 US dollars

    i broke my leg about 2002 and again in 2004. Each time the medical costs were $10,000 US dollars. Bet it is more now.

    Fireworkz said... Wow 15,000 dollars!
    I could probably fly in a medical doctor from a cheap country, buy the necessary materials and hire out a surgery room for an hour for less than $2,000 or fly to a country with cheap healthcare.

    No one is going to do this crawling along with a broken leg.




    2015 in Denver:
    typically the cost of stitches in Denver is $300 per stitch. Costs of disposables, gauze, bandages, etc marked up x1000 so expect to see $50 bandages on your bill.

    the main thing here is:
    -no reason US citizens have to fly to a foreign country to get medical treatment or buy drugs.
    -high cost of medical care basically supports my doctor's drug habit. His daily winter drive is a WRX and a Exige garage queen.
    -if you got connections there is a second level of medical care where any procedure has a higher success rate and a lower recovery time.